Styles P Says That Jay-Z Never Reached The Level Of Lyricism Of The Notorious B.I.G.

[obarth]

I'm confused with what ur saying. This aint no knock against Jay. But it's facts the entire game changed after Pac and Biggie's deaths there's literally no disputing it.

I know you personally weren't knocking Jay, but that's the narrative that's been around the longest when people say "What if Biggie and Pac never died?". I never see anybody talk about the industry wide effects. Just "Jay wouldn't be Jay". I'd be over here thinking about the status of their respective labels and coasts, hip hop music in general, really. I also think when people do the "If they didn't die" thing, ai never see people say they could be catalysts for better music and building up new or peer rappers.

 

[N711oir]

i concur .... but i say this just like Michael Jordan hooped in an era that no longer exist in ref. to competition/

Biggie was in a era lyrical that no longer exist/ just the same way militarily the way they used to train spartans almost life/death situation

now the military uses video games to train soldiers ....

but it wasn't just lyrics it's flow as well and so much production today is sub par, it's not even necessary in this tiktok era to be lyrical in order to sell so..

truth be told i think that entire back and forth between k-dot and drake was all A.I and im talking every last single song back and f

forth i believe was A.I. These companies are pushing A.I. more and more that's why so many artist were selling their entire catalogs a


while ago. It's more cost effective for them to just let some computers now produce music especially if the public can't tell the difference

 

[R=G]

I liked Jay Z from the get go but he couldn't be who he is today if Biggie was alive.

 

[904]

You put all of them in a cypher live and Biggies presence and delivery is going to dominate.. But if it's recorded, you're going to run back Jay and Nas more imo

 

[iamduval]

It’s tough bc biggie has the best flow ever. But Jay is just a more advanced writer imo.

I’m listening to Life after death right now and it’s clear that biggie was probably the better artist

 

[spliz]

You're doing too much. BIG died in the 90's so we dont know what range BIG could have gone as years passsed. Nas had the 2000's 2010s and 2020's to flex his range. Comparing the 2 when one had decades to expand his range and one only had 3 years doesn't make sense.

Biggie wasn't doing what Nas was doing when he was alive. Check "I Gave You Power". Im not doing too much when someone said Biggie has made all the songs Nas can make. But u didn't respond to that person tho. Ur right. Biggie died early. So all we have is what he have. And what we have is Nas being the more creative of the 2.

 

[Plankton]

Biggie wasn't doing what Nas was doing when he was alive. Check "I Gave You Power". Im not doing too much when someone said Biggie has made all the songs Nas can make. But u didn't respond to that person tho. Ur right. Biggie died early. So all we have is what he have. And what we have is Nas being the more creative of the 2.

"Stray Bullet" by Organized Konfusion came out 2 years before "I Gave You Power" so that's a terrible example if you are arguing who is more creative because then I can argue that Nas was just influenced by Organized Konfusion when he made "I Gave You Power" ( Notice I said "influenced." If I wanted to be petty I coulda said "biting." )


In defense of Biggies creativity, you are being one sided because it was known that Biggie was picking those beats and writing those hooks so Biggie was way more creative then Nas at creating radio friendly street bangers. And you cant even argue against that one. When Biggie was alive, Nas never had a solo street banger that just rattled NYC like "Who Shot Ya" which was just a single no album cut. The streets, radio...Aint one Nas song had the streets in a choke hold like "Who Shot Ya?" when Biggie was alive. Facts.

 

[spliz]

"Stray Bullet" by Organized Konfusion came out 2 years before "I Gave You Power" so that's a terrible example if you are arguing who is more creative because then I can argue that Nas was just influenced by Organized Konfusion when he made "I Gave You Power" ( Notice I said "influenced." If I wanted to be petty I coulda said "biting." )


In defense of Biggies creativity, you are being one sided because it was known that Biggie was picking those beats and writing those hooks so Biggie was way more creative then Nas at creating radio friendly street bangers. And you cant even argue against that one. When Biggie was alive, Nas never had a solo street banger that just rattled NYC like "Who Shot Ya" which was just a single no album cut. The streets, radio...Aint one Nas song had the streets in a choke hold like "Who Shot Ya?" when Biggie was alive. Facts.

Stray Bullet doesn't have anything to do with Biggie and I Gave You Power and Stray Bullet are very different thematically. Only thing the same is they are both personification songs. Regardless what the fukk does that have to do with Biggie being able to do it? Or even wanting to? Creative by creating commercial hits? nikka is this a joke? Lol.

 

[Sunalmighty]

Nas is the greatest rapper ever

 

[Plankton]

Stray Bullet doesn't have anything to do with Biggie and I Gave You Power and Stray Bullet are very different thematically. Only thing the same is they are both personification songs. Regardless what the fukk does that have to do with Biggie being able to do it? Or even wanting to? Creative by creating commercial hits? nikka is this a joke? Lol.

LOL you said that as if being able to make "persistent" radio friendly street bangers with decades of longevity is such an easy task.

And I didnt say "commercial hits" I specifically said "Radio friendly street bangers." My dude, that's not something a lot of rappers can actually do. Most rappers can't do that. You say it doesn't count..I say it does.


And since you wanna talk creative song style...Lets be real...Nas never had a 10 Crack Commandments. He tried to do something similar with Dr Knockboots where he's "breaking down rules" but Dr Knockboots never had the same impact as 10 Crack Commandments. FACTS.

 

[spliz]

LOL you said that as if being able to make "persistent" radio friendly street bangers with decades of longevity is such an easy task.

And I didnt say "commercial hits" I specifically said "Radio friendly street bangers." My dude, that's not something a lot of rappers can actually do. Most rappers can't do that. You say it doesn't count..I say it does.


And since you wanna talk creative song style...Lets be real...Nas never had a 10 Crack Commandments. He tried to do something similar with Dr Knockboots where he's "breaking down rules" but Dr Knockboots never had the same impact as 10 Crack Commandments. FACTS.

nikka I didn't say that. What the fukk are u arguing here? Biggie mad hit records. He also had Puffy and Bad Boy machine in back of him helping him with that. U are creating an argument with urself. Putting words in my mouth and switching shyt around to create ur narrative. I'm not even gonna argue with u anymore cause ur obviously on some other shyt. Lol.

 

[H. Selassie]

I’m not gonna count years where Big was no longer living and Jay was still rapping. Speaking PURELY on 96/97 when they were both active:

Jay was more lyrical than Biggie in the sense of multisyllable rhymes, vocabulary, and advanced metaphors.
Biggie was way more dependent on basic similes and was not weaving double entendres together like Jay was doing on Reasonable Doubt.

Big was more deft with the flow pockets and a better storyteller. Also had a better voice/mic presence. If you want to argue he was the better natural RAPPER, I’ll accept it. But LYRICALLY…Jay was superior.

 

[Plankton]

nikka I didn't say that. What the fukk are u arguing here? Biggie mad hit records. He also had Puffy and Bad Boy machine in back of him helping him with that. U are creating an argument with urself. Putting words in my mouth and switching shyt around to create ur narrative. I'm not even gonna argue with u anymore cause ur obviously on some other shyt. Lol.

LOL @ Puffy Bad Boy machine. The Bad Boy Machine had just started with Biggie and wasn't able to do the same thing for Craig Mack who came out around the same time with just one real popular hit song that Biggie helped carry. Just stop.

Talking about putting words in your mouth when I said "radio friendly street bangers" not "commercial hits/hit records" like you keep saying. But I ignored it when u did that.

I'm not gonna even mention the "biting a style" Nas did on Phone Tap doing a "whole song while on the phone" thing like Biggie did twice on his first album with Warning and Suicidal Thoughts 3 years prior. When u add Dr Knockboots with Phone Tap, thats 2 things Nas did after Biggie and you wanna kick that "Nas was more creative" nonsense.

 

[spliz]

LOL @ Puffy Bad Boy machine. The Bad Boy Machine had just started with Biggie and wasn't able to do the same thing for Craig Mack who came out around the same time with just one real popular hit song that Biggie helped carry. Just stop.

Talking about putting words in your mouth when I said "radio friendly street bangers" not "commercial hits/hit records" like you keep saying. But I ignored it when u did that.

I'm not gonna even mention the "biting a style" Nas did on Phone Tap doing a "whole song while on the phone" thing like Biggie did twice on his first album with Warning and Suicidal Thoughts 3 years prior. When u add Dr Knockboots with Phone Tap, thats 2 things Nas did after Biggie and you wanna kick that "Nas was more creative" nonsense.

Honestly I'm not even reading what u write. All these forced smileys and shyt for what? I should've never engaged with u cause ur obviously off ur fukking shyt. Have a good night bruh. I don't care what u write from here on out. Nas is the more creative artist. It isn't debatable. Point blank. Peace.

 

[Plankton]

Honestly I'm not even reading what u write. All these forced smileys and shyt for what? I should've never engaged with u cause ur obviously off ur fukking shyt. Have a good night bruh. I don't care what u write from here on out. Nas is the more creative artist. It isn't debatable. Point blank. Peace.

That's right quit. It doesn't matter if you pretend to not read my counter. As long as others read the facts I presented I've proven my point. I already gave 2 examples of Nas biting Biggie that you pretended to not see as a response because that would be you having to admit Nas bit Biggie. The biter can never be more creative then the one he is biting. FACTS


Checkmate.