Stop with the STEVE NASH disrespect

[staticshock]

Dude said top 5.... It's like 3 PGs still playing currently that's better than Nash...... We aint gon mention Zeek, Magic, Big O, J, Kidd, Glove, etc..... nikkas acting like D'Antoni system didn't have Raymond Felt at 17 points and 9 assists a decade ago.... I said Raymond fukking Felton.....

You mean coaches put systems in place to get the best out of their players?

no fukkin way


Shut the hell up bruh.

 

[Houston911]

Without Nash, Dantoni would have never existed

The same Nash that was best friends with dirk and mavs still gave Eric dampier more money than Nash and didn’t think twice about letting him bounce

same Nash that had Dallas fans wanting to move him and give the pg keys to van exel at one point?

y’all buy the revisionist history cuz you weren’t watching

people who was actually WATCHING the nba back then know that Nash isn’t even a topic without dantoni

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

You mean coaches put systems in place to get the best out of their players?

no fukkin way


Shut the hell up bruh.

Breh nikkas in here with some of the stupidest shyt to try and downplay Nash's MVP

 

[Bledswole]

Dude said top 5.... It's like 3 PGs still playing currently that's better than Nash...... We aint gon mention Zeek, Magic, Big O, J, Kidd, Glove, etc..... nikkas acting like D'Antoni system didn't have Raymond Felt at 17 points and 9 assists a decade ago.... I said Raymond fukking Felton.....

Fam you slow as fukk Payton and Kidd ain’t better than no Nash

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

This hip check prob cost the Suns the title that year

 

[Ben.]

The same Nash that was best friends with dirk and mavs still gave Eric dampier more money than Nash and didn’t think twice about letting him bounce

same Nash that had Dallas fans wanting to move him and give the pg keys to van exel at one point?

y’all buy the revisionist history cuz you weren’t watching

people who was actually WATCHING the nba back then know that Nash isn’t even a topic without dantoni

Okay but then Nash was successful before and after D'Antoni, so where you going with this breh

Nash Definitely became what he is now because of D'Antoni but it was a two way thing, D'Antoni really didn't do shyt again until he got with the Rockets.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

You mean coaches put systems in place to get the best out of their players?

no fukkin way


Shut the hell up bruh.

No.... certain systems inflate numbers...... sometimes shyt is smoke and mirrors...... but fukk it I'll play.... Is Nash a top 5 PG of all time...?

 

[Rollo Goodlove]

Man you sound crazy no it don’t!

Nobody saying Steve Nash the best player ever or best PG ever,he’d need rings for that kind of love,nobody tryna give him that,we just saying showing the man some respect because his resume is insane when you look at the shyt he accomplished and the number of people that accomplished what he did

Still the weakest mvp to not have a ring

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Fam you slow as fukk Payton and Kidd ain’t better than no Nash

And statements like this is why nobody takes you seriously in real life when it comes to discussing sports.... Only a cracker can have a 5 year run at best, never average over 36 minutes, and be effective only on one side of the ball, and be considered a GOAT........ your life in the red nikka with comments like this..... do better.....

This nikka said Nash>>>> Payton/Kidd...... only on the bullshyt coli....

 

[Bledswole]

Still the weakest mvp to not have a ring

Whatever he got 2 of them deal with it

 

[Bledswole]

And statements like this is why nobody takes you seriously in real life when it comes to discussing sports.... Only a cracker can have a 5 year run at best, never average over 36 minutes, and be effective only on one side of the ball, and be considered a GOAT........ your life in the red nikka with comments like this..... do better.....

This nikka said Nash>>>> Payton/Kidd...... only on the bullshyt coli....

Lmao he better than Payton and Kidd it is what it is.

You buggin if you think they better that’s your opinion tho.

Nash>>Kidd>>Payton

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Breh...2nd and 3rd year PG was a defensive player on a team full of defenders with great upside on offense. He was NOT the offensive cornerstone MVP Nash was. You know this.

Fam...Nash wasn’t even the offensive cornerstone “MVP Nash” is getting touted to be....You muhfukkas in here scoffing at Nash being compared to a perennial allstar and all nba player in Paul George as if it’s some kind of supreme insult....talking up the talent and “offensive upside” of a fukking pacers team that had the likes of David West averaging 14ppg as the second option...but Nash, who was on a team with Stat that was dropping 50 spots on “prime Duncan’s” head and matrix being the prototype for the modern big dropping 20 and 10 with stellar defense and Dantoni who has recreated his empty calorie offense multiple times over at various stops, is given 100% credit for singlehandedly transforming the suns...that ultimately didn’t win jack shyt anyway, despite being stacked as fukk

Then when he’s judged by the standards of the people y’all trying to put him in conversations with it’s all “ Bu bu but how could he win...he had to play against the teams with other good players too”


Nash isn’t the player on those SSOL teams that is disrespected...it’s Marion...he got so little credit for what he meant to that team, you’d think he was playing with Lebron

 

[Consumed]

How many of y'all saw Nash on the Mavericks? Was he an all-time great then? And he was playing under Nellie. The architect of small ball. He was the same exact player in Phx, but played faster in D'Antoni's SSOL offense. Then when Terry Porter was the coach, had them playing that slower half court offense, the team struggled, and Nash was back to his Mav stats (like 16 & 8), and the numbers picked back up with Gentry bringing back a modified SSOL offense. D'Antoni offense turned Felton to a 20 & 9 PG, Duhon at like 12 & 7.

Kidd improved team W's when he arrived 3x (3 Js, Phx went from 27 W's to 53, Nets), and was never an MVP...including turning into a team's leading scorer, as a PG that couldn't score. John Stockton avg over 12 apg for like 8-9 seasons with a few seasons of 14apg (with 17ppg). To put it in perspective even more, Terry Porter has maybe 4-5 seasons of 16 + & 9, and is only a 2 time all-star. Fat Lever was close to a triple double for 4-5 years and is only a 2x All-Star. Rod Strickland never been an All-Star...KJ, Tim Hardaway...etc were 20+ & 10 PGs and aren't even considered for anything.

Nash is a great PG, a Top 10 PG (possibly Top 7 due to that Phx stretch), but other players did what he did, some did more things better and don't get the recognition he does. He also only excelled playing one style of ball.

If anything, the Suns that are the most disrespected are KJ & Matrix.

He was a co-anchor on a team that produced several of the best offenses of all time (relative to league average), so he was certainly contributing to an all time great stretch on a team level. Then in Phoenix he continued to contribute to an all time great offensive stretch on a team level, except this time he was the primary anchor for said team. The reason you don't dismiss his Dallas stretch is because it adds to the evidence that Steve Nash as a team anchor = historic offense on a team level.

In Phoenix he was placed in a circumstance that better suited his abilities and gave him the opportunity to thrive, sure. but I don't think he was the exact same player then. He became more confident as a driver and playmaker. Phoenix also helped to improve his back issues that flared up in 2004 (Mavs were concerned about his health, one reason they let him go)

You are probably placing too much emphasis on raw numbers and not enough on how they come about. This is usually how Steve Nash gets overlooked - because you look at the volume and think that's what he was worth. Nash was an extremely aggressive driver who was constantly putting pressure on a defense off the dribble to force them into bad positions and gave no fukks about turnovers if it meant threading a needle, which he usually did because there wasn't a pass he couldn't make. The way he gets 10 assists is VERY different from the likes of John Stockton who was ultra conservative and did not break down defenses at anywhere close to the same rate because he didn't have the handles to do so and wasn't as confident. Same with Rajon Rondo, who notoriously waits for teammates to get open more so than force the opening himself.

Nash was also creating 80% of his own offense off the dribble - an elite 1on1 scorer as far as point guards go who had little issue shaking defenders and getting to his spots. Efficient from everywhere on the floor, had no weak areas. You don't compare him to the likes of Fat Lever and Terry Porter (and I'm a Porter fan). Yes Raymond Felton averaged nice stats under MDA but by only looking at volume you miss that his scoring came on below league average efficiency. He had the volume because he shot more to get it, not the consistency. And of course you don't compare his apg to the likes of Nash who throws better quality passers and does more to MAKE guys get open through his penetration.

Steve Nash gets into the lane and a defense has to pick their poison between letting one of the GOAT shooters get a free look or leave one of his teammates open. Steve knew that and made defenses make that choice over and over again until they broke. These others guys you compare him too weren't as threatening to a defense. You don't compare him to Jason Kidd at ALL for this reason offensively, either.

Other players did what Nash did in terms of raw volume numbers. Not influence on a team.

 

[Houston911]

Okay but then Nash was successful before and after D'Antoni, so where you going with this breh

Nash Definitely became what he is now because of D'Antoni but it was a two way thing, D'Antoni really didn't do shyt again until he got with the Rockets.

Nash was not considered a “star” before dantoni

he was a very good player but he turned into a star literally overnight

Just had the benefit of dantoni system before the rest of the nba adjusted

these isn’t a single good point guard in the league who wouldn’t have improved drastically under mike at the time

 

[Bledswole]

He was a co-anchor on a team that produced several of the best offenses of all time (relative to league average), so he was certainly contributing to an all time great stretch on a team level. Then in Phoenix he continued to contribute to an all time great offensive stretch on a team level, except this time he was the primary anchor for said team. The reason you don't dismiss his Dallas stretch is because it adds to the evidence that Steve Nash as a team anchor = historic offense on a team level.

In Phoenix he was placed in a circumstance that better suited his abilities and gave him the opportunity to thrive, sure. but I don't think he was the exact same player then. He became more confident as a driver and playmaker. Phoenix also helped to improve his back issues that flared up in 2004 (Mavs were concerned about his health, one reason they let him go)

You are probably placing too much emphasis on raw numbers and not enough on how they come about. This is usually how Steve Nash gets overlooked - because you look at the volume and think that's what he was worth. Nash was an extremely aggressive driver who was constantly putting pressure on a defense off the dribble to force them into bad positions and gave no fukks about turnovers if it meant threading a needle, which he usually did because there wasn't a pass he couldn't make. The way he gets 10 assists is VERY different from the likes of John Stockton who was ultra conservative and did not break down defenses at anywhere close to the same rate because he didn't have the handles to do so and wasn't as confident. Same with Rajon Rondo, who notoriously waits for teammates to get open more so than force the opening himself.

Nash was also creating 80% of his own offense off the dribble - an elite 1on1 scorer as far as point guards go who had little issue shaking defenders and getting to his spots. Efficient from everywhere on the floor, had no weak areas. You don't compare him to the likes of Fat Lever and Terry Porter (and I'm a Porter fan). Yes Raymond Felton averaged nice stats under MDA but by only looking at volume you miss that his scoring came on below league average efficiency. He had the volume because he shot more to get it, not the consistency. And of course you don't compare his apg to the likes of Nash who throws better quality passers and does more to MAKE guys get open through his penetration.

Steve Nash gets into the lane and a defense has to pick their poison between letting one of the GOAT shooters get a free look or leave one of his teammates open. Steve knew that and made defenses make that choice over and over again until they broke. These others guys you compare him too weren't as threatening to a defense. You don't compare him to Jason Kidd at ALL for this reason offensively, either.

Other players did what Nash did in terms of raw volume numbers. Not influence on a team.

THIS!!!!!