Stillmatic is one of the greatest albums ever made

[Tommy Sheppard]

every black male 25 and under needs to study that track and put down the NBA Dumbboy

why are you always name dropping nba youngboy on random threads that don’t have nothing to do with him?

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I do agree that it was a buzz situation more than anything else.

As far as the flop difference of opinion, the same could be said about Reasonable Doubt.

I never suggested The Blueprint didn't deserve 5 mics. It definitely does. Just the premise Stillmatic only received it because of industry politics and not based on it's own merits.

Props, man.

reasonable doubt's sales were very good. an independent street artist going gold on his debut with no lead-in rollout hype train.
and he rode that momentum into an easy platinum plaque with vol 1 on def jam, despite volume 1 being a total letdown in quality.

i mean, if you think stillmatic deserved 5 mics, thats cool. im just saying that it woudnt have happened if they didnt give jay 5 a few months prior.
all of that chit is fueled off of politics & bs homie. whether you feel like it genuinely deserved 5 or not, is a totally different discussion.

 

[T.he I.nformant]

Great album but I don’t know how you can rate Smokin over 2nd Childhood let alone giving it 10/10

Blasphemous also saying The Flyest is better than Life’s A bytch

 

[Take It In Blood]

why are you always name dropping nba youngboy on random threads that don’t have nothing to do with him?

because he is a cancer to the youth

like fortnite

 

[up in here]

reasonable doubt's sales were very good. an independent street artist going gold on his debut with no lead-in rollout hype train.
and he rode that momentum into an easy platinum plaque with vol 1 on def jam, despite volume 1 being a total letdown in quality.

i mean, if you think stillmatic deserved 5 mics, thats cool. im just saying that it woudnt have happened if they didnt give jay 5 a few months prior.
all of that chit is fueled off of politics & bs homie. whether you feel like it genuinely deserved 5 or not, is a totally different discussion.

Lol. Cats be acting like Jay was selling RD out his trunk. Roc-a-fella had a deal with Priority Records. The same company distributing Ice Cube, NWA and Deathrow. And he landed the lead single to the Nutty Professor soundtrack with “ain’t no nikka” at a time when Foxy was the biggest female rapper in the game. He eventually reached gold over a year later. Without vol. 1, Jay would have faded away with the Mic Geronimo’s of the game. RD was a good album but it didn’t etch Jay’s name into history.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Lol. Cats be acting like Jay was selling RD out his trunk. Roc-a-fella had a deal with Priority Records. The same company distributing Ice Cube, NWA and Deathrow. And he landed the lead single to the Nutty Professor soundtrack with “ain’t no nikka” at a time when Foxy was the biggest female rapper in the game. He eventually reached gold over a year later. Without vol. 1, Jay would have faded away with the Mic Geronimo’s of the game. RD was a good album but it didn’t etch Jay’s name into history.

it didnt take a year to go gold. it went gold in a few months.

im not acting like he was selling out the trunk of his car, but outside of the stuff with foxy, he wasnt some mainstream socialite either. if he never even went gold, it stil wouldnt be considered a failure. dudes who had more promotion with less success get celebrated on here all the time.

he wasnt no mic geronimo. reasonable doubt was a BIG album in the streets up top, to the point where he was expected to take over with volume 1, but it was a letdown critically.

 

[JustCKing]

it didnt take a year to go gold. it went gold in a few months.

im not acting like he was selling out the trunk of his car, but outside of the stuff with foxy, he wasnt some mainstream socialite either. if he never even went gold, it stil wouldnt be considered a failure. dudes who had more promotion with less success get celebrated on here all the time.

he wasnt no mic geronimo. reasonable doubt was a BIG album in the streets up top, to the point where he was expected to take over with volume 1, but it was a letdown critically.

This is false. Jay Z was definitely a mainstream socialite during that time, he just wasn't doing major numbers. Of course Reasonable Doubt wouldn't be looked at as a failure, it was a debut album and it's not like he had a big enough of a hype to where there was this enormous expectation commercially to begin with.

Why didn't Jay Z actually take over with Reasonable Doubt?

 

[JustCKing]

And to dead this whole Stillmatic only got 5 mics because of Blueprint narrative: If this is true, by that same logic, one could conclude that Reasonable Doubt only got 5 mics because they had awarded Nas 5 mics twice WITHOUT having to do retroactively. Reasonable Doubt initially got 4 mics. They went back and handed out 5 mics to a lot of albums they felt they slighted upon release. Among those albums was Reasonable Doubt.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

This is false. Jay Z was definitely a mainstream socialite during that time, he just wasn't doing major numbers. Of course Reasonable Doubt wouldn't be looked at as a failure, it was a debut album and it's not like he had a big enough of a hype to where there was this enormous expectation commercially to begin with.

Why didn't Jay Z actually take over with Reasonable Doubt?

reasonable doubt was his 1st album. a debut artist with no industry hype going into the release, isnt taking over anything.

and according to this board(not neccessarily you), but alot of people on here act like jay-z was some unknown rapper, but now the narrative is that he flopped.

socialite was the wrong term to use. i'll give you that. i shouldve said that he was no mainstream darling or something.

And to dead this whole Stillmatic only got 5 mics because of Blueprint narrative: If this is true, by that same logic, one could conclude that Reasonable Doubt only got 5 mics because they had awarded Nas 5 mics twice WITHOUT having to do retroactively. Reasonable Doubt initially got 4 mics. They went back and handed out 5 mics to a lot of albums they felt they slighted upon release. Among those albums was Reasonable Doubt.

nah.

they absolutely had to give RD the retroactive 5 in that issue regardless.

 

[JustCKing]

reasonable doubt was his 1st album. a debut artist with no industry hype going into the release, isnt taking over anything.

and according to this board(not neccessarily you), but alot of people on here act like jay-z was some unknown rapper, but now the narrative is that he flopped.

socialite was the wrong term to use. i'll give you that. i shouldve said that he was no mainstream darling or something.

I am not talking about commercially. You're saying this album was BIG in the streets. Instead of someone that was next, why wasn't Jay Z that dude with Reasonable Doubt. Even still, him having NO industry hype is false, because he did, in fact have it.

I agree, he wasn't some unknown rapper nor did he flop. He just debuted in a year where Hip Hop was shifting and there were bigger albums dropping weekly and he got lost in the sauce.

 

[JustCKing]

nah.

they absolutely had to give RD the retroactive 5 in that issue regardless.

Why? If the narrative is that Stillmatic got 5 because of Blueprint, then surely the only reason they gave Reasonable Doubt 5 mics was to even the playing field. I mean, Nas had two classics and Jay only had one according the Source. A few months after Nas got his second 5 mic album, they go back and up albums to 5 mic status.

 

[Pop123]

Remove My Country and Rule and this album is absolutely flawless...and those aren't wack at all, they're just not as fire as everything else.

I didn't even have "Braveheart Party" on mine so I don't count it, lol.

 

[BulletProof]

Lol. Cats be acting like Jay was selling RD out his trunk. Roc-a-fella had a deal with Priority Records. The same company distributing Ice Cube, NWA and Deathrow. And he landed the lead single to the Nutty Professor soundtrack with “ain’t no nikka” at a time when Foxy was the biggest female rapper in the game. He eventually reached gold over a year later. Without vol. 1, Jay would have faded away with the Mic Geronimo’s of the game. RD was a good album but it didn’t etch Jay’s name into history.

Wait.

You said RD wasnt a flop but it took him a year to go gold.

You said QB's Finest, a compilation album, spearheaded by an established rapper featuring songs mostly independent went gold but was a flop.

You said Jay sold "very well" for an independent artist.

Then you said he was signed to Priority and listed platinum selling artists and one of the most successful labels of that decade.

 

[BulletProof]

I am not talking about commercially. You're saying this album was BIG in the streets. Instead of someone that was next, why wasn't Jay Z that dude with Reasonable Doubt. Even still, him having NO industry hype is false, because he did, in fact have it.

I agree, he wasn't some unknown rapper nor did he flop. He just debuted in a year where Hip Hop was shifting and there were bigger albums dropping weekly and he got lost in the sauce.

Yeah.

He had videos and a feature/backing by the biggest rapper alive on it.

 

[up in here]

Wait.

You said RD wasnt a flop but it took him a year to go gold.

You said QB's Finest, a compilation album, spearheaded by an established rapper featuring songs mostly independent went gold but was a flop.

You said Jay sold "very well" for an independent artist.

Then you said he was signed to Priority and listed platinum selling artists and one of the most successful labels of that decade.

Are you confusing me with someone else? I didn’t say half that shyt