Scott Larock
Its hard leaving thecoli but I gotta find a way...
Money > everything else
Stephen A. Smith goes IN on Colin Keapernick for not voiting
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Money > everything else
as stated previous
you cant demand change/reform and then ignore a factor that will install some sort of momentum to the cause you are fighting for...
nothing completely changes over night, so allowing such laws/people ( excluding the presidential ticket )to pass by isn't helping your cause in the long run, it only adds to the work you want to see put forth
so when the right candidate does come along, I hope you guys are not expecting everything to be all "
"....because the things you ignore now ,will damn sure be in effect when that special person comes along and im sure it will be in effect when that "special" person leaves officeI think people fail to realize the message colin is sending out to the people who are not in his tax bracket
none of you live the life of colin,hell you can add tariq nasheed too,the "little" things that wont effect them, will effect you/people who has less( as the poster posted,afffordable housing etc)
maybe me saying smith was 100% right was too much, i applaud colins stance( national anthem ) and it shouldn't be dismissed
but this is a dangerous game that is being taught ...
Yep..
The message c00nin A. is sending out is this.
"If you have a problem with systematic oppression and white supremacy, your only course of action is to vote for a white person to fix it."
His whole generation failed us..
Good point. I really didn't look at it like that but I do now
Mr.bocario
Superstar
Breh haven't you figured it out? Most black people would rather sit comfy in masta house with his trinkets than have their own
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I agree. But the truth is we are not really a "progressive" people. Especially those of us that are West Indian and African immigrants. Or deep into the teachings of the evangelical church. The only time we get progressive minded is when there is a national election or a mayoral race in a major city.
When its time for mid terms or to vote in judges we are either conservative or apathetic.
How many of us are really passionate about climate change, fracking, gay marriage, transgender bathroom rights, equal pay for women and abortion rights? How many of us really want to supports causes like "Soda Taxes"?
I think we need to start ignoring labels like "conservative", "liberal" "progressive" "right wing" "left wing" and vote for OUR specific best interest period. Even if it shifts from election to election. Even if it comes at the expense of other so called minority groups. Even if it means gays, latinos, women or muslims get the short in of the stick. We need to get out of the mind frame that we should be allies with everyone that isn't a straight white male. The "progressive coalition" places our priorities at the bottom of the pile. Yet we are the most loyal and dependable. We need to cut that sh1t out.
EVERY Black person in America should register as an independent and make both parties scratch and claw to get us off of that fence.
Voting isn't useless and powerless. But the way we're doing it is.
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
I live in an over $300k plus a year household breh. All the little stuff still matters to me because I have friends and fam who that matters to. I owe it to them to vote for down the ballot candidates who are closer to their immediate needs than the presidency.as stated previous
you cant demand change/reform and then ignore a factor that will install some sort of momentum to the cause you are fighting for...
nothing completely changes over night, so allowing such laws/people ( excluding the presidential ticket )to pass by isn't helping your cause in the long run, it only adds to the work you want to see put forth
so when the right candidate does come along, I hope you guys are not expecting everything to be all "
I think people fail to realize the message colin is sending out to the people who are not in his tax bracket
none of you live the life of colin,hell you can add tariq nasheed too,the "little" things that wont effect them, will effect you/people who has less( as the poster posted,afffordable housing etc)
maybe me saying smith was 100% right was too much, i applaud colins stance( national anthem ) and it shouldn't be dismissed
but this is a dangerous game that is being taught ...
I feel that a lot of heads are making Kaep out to be criticism free because of his contributions. I respect all that he's done, but this here stance I can't agree with. You have the former mayor of my city which he's gentrified pouring millions into local school board campaigns in the Bay area. The people they are financing to take over the local school boards are going to politely move the folks that matter to me right along, outside the city into the new hood of the suburbs. That hurts....saying not to vote leaves them defenseless.
I can't do that.
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
I agree....and my biggest issue is how we look up the ticket first before starting from the ground up. Big Politics in this country is from the top on down. Organic movements are from the ground on up. It's crazy how the Tea Party stance is almost a perfect thing to replicate. The tea party made change starting on the local level which later evolved into a national movement. kaep is so focused on the presidential race with regards to not voting that he ignored where organic politics begins.
to me, that's irresponsible.
as stated previous
you cant demand change/reform and then ignore a factor that will install some sort of momentum to the cause you are fighting for...
nothing completely changes over night, so allowing such laws/people ( excluding the presidential ticket )to pass by isn't helping your cause in the long run, it only adds to the work you want to see put forth
so when the right candidate does come along, I hope you guys are not expecting everything to be all "
I think people fail to realize the message colin is sending out to the people who are not in his tax bracket
none of you live the life of colin,hell you can add tariq nasheed too,the "little" things that wont effect them, will effect you/people who has less( as the poster posted,afffordable housing etc)
maybe me saying smith was 100% right was too much, i applaud colins stance( national anthem ) and it shouldn't be dismissed
but this is a dangerous game that is being taught ...
I don't agree with this at all mainly because I've become more cynical as time passes. I honestly believe that government, regardless of the level doesn't include us. It doesn't include us. It wasn't meant to include us. I've said this many times in the past month and I'll say it again. fukk the system. We're not apart of it because they didn't want us to be anyway. Why do we continue to pander to it? There's more answer to the questions than just voting and I'm starting to see that now.
exactly that....
what is sad, the average person doesn't "dig" deep when thinking about voting,they only see 2 options(rep or dem),BUT they mainly see one question...."who do you want as the president of the united states ?"
just like the whole voting system(too old for the day n age we live in ), people's mind set needs to be tweaked in order to see the outcomes they desire
as I said in another thread, this is really a "pro blacks" REAL wake up call,this will be a tough 4 years ,specially the last 2 of his future term
lets see if they can come together and change the mind-set but also put the ball in motion
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
You don't even know Huey enough to know that he started a voter registration drive yet want to get all Hotep about him going against your very premise.
Hoteps always revert to history to hide their inability to talk about what's happening today.
Edit....Bobby Seale started the drive. Huey destroyed it and In effect destroyed the panther party by the infighting.
I dont agree with everything ANY man or group has done. The fact of the matter is that history shows this country doesnt give a fukk about black progression and that was my point in bringing up those men/groups that they killed/jailed/stopped when they made TOO much progress. So the question is, why do people think voting in an establishment that has shown it doesnt give a fukk, will help with black progression when in all other instances, it shows that it will HALT progression if it becomes too much?
You're talking about "hiding" but I have said concrete things in a supposed "discussion" and all you can do is hide behind your false intellectual superiority
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
Nothing intellectual about keeping up with current events and tying it to the process of how it works. You are fully capable of knowing the same things, but get bogged down with talking about our history so much that you ignore current day conditions.
I was in that space too...but I had to make that leap where knowing our past history and applying it to any and everything under the sun shouldn't be used as a masking agent. It's not sun screen. dudes use the history crutch to ignore speaking on the intracasies of modern day issues.
You have yet to delve into that discussion. I'm sorry...I'm tired of it. I'm tired of having those retread "this isn't new...back in the day..." blah blah blah. I know those things already. I'm not being taught anything. I'm well read on it. Tell me how it applies to a current day issue and the twists and turns of that issue. That's where hoteps always fall short. They don't delve into the now. They need it to age like cheese in order to eat at it.
it may be "fukk the system" but this system you speak of effects your life everyday as long as you live on the grounds where that system takes place
this may sound harsh....but a good amount of black people pay no attention to an elect event that is not broadcasting over CNN or whatever station they watch(same happens in the UK)
people can drop the stats of sportsmen but refuse to look at the stat sheet of their child's school...
diddy/any known celeb love to come out and demand people to not vote(presidential vote) but I bet he/she has no issue with the school his children go to....unlike the person viewing the box shaped screen they sit in front of
it seems like most Americans fail to realize what will effect them may not effect the person pushing the opposite agenda of that effect
as I said the way voting is looked at needs to change from both stand points
I agree this system effects my everyday life, but only negatively, regardless of what direction I turn. I just don't trust or believe in government anymore. From local to the federal, I just don't believe the system will do anything to positively effect black people. We are the afterthought to them. It's sad because when a black official is elected, there's this short sense of progression until he/she gets in office and it's still more of the same. I just don't believe bruh.
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