State of PBC per Dan Rafael

[Tide Run This]

These cats fukking up all over promoters, networks boxing media who does nothing but bury all the talented guys time and time again shyts just a cesspool for garbage. Al did his thing putting on cards no doubt my beef is he just did nothing to elevate any of the top talent and draws on his crew compared to where they were 2 or 3 years ago. The NBC cards were horrible, not even promoted and phoned in with horrible commentary. The best PBC cards were Spike and FS1 which got a lot of consistent slots.

Guys like Danny Garcia, Deontay Wilder and Keith Thurman should be at another level at this point they seem to have regressed due to inactivity or just fighting jobbers.

HBO is full of shyt too what all do they have at this point Canelo who they bury,GGG who they slob and Kovalev and Ward who while great fighters aren't exactly the star status they should be at this point. Crawford is another guy just rotting away on Arum's stable this nikka should've been on the big stage and no fukking Postal on a bullshyt PPV don't count.

I don't even know who to rank as far as biggest draws in the sport right now Canelo doing less numbers than Michael Bisping on PPV is a joke.


We need some big year ending cards to make up for the weak shyt we got this year I want an 8 on the scene 5 on the screen PBC card throwback Don King still season ending card. I don't care if it's a card full of Garcia/Salka type fights I just wanna see these nikkas in the ring Garcia so forgettable at this point I can't even remember his last 3 fights dude should've been blown up after stealing show on the Mayweather/Canelo card.

Frampton and Spence are 2 guys I think got elevated HUGE this year the rest of the shyt for the birds Thurman beat Porter and just faded away what's the end game? Pacman coming back after getting punked by Floyd to fight guys no one have any interest in seeing shyt just a fukking waste of time.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Are you on fuccin crack?! :hovdead:

Oscar is hanging on by a thread. You think Bob and Oscar are keeping their rosters small deliberately?! you think if they couldn't get 5-10 of Haymon's fighters like Thurman and Garcia they wouldn't jump at the chance? I thought the ring was more up to speed and clued up than this

If you saw genius my posts have indicated Oscar's and Arum's rosters suck hiney but you obviously missed it. I'm saying they are working within their means and not attempting to go all-out like PBC did. It's funny here when ppl take sides like I'm an Arum or Oscar fan and I gotta be PRO PBC. HOW IS IT WORKING OUT FOR THURMAN AND CREW AT THIS MOMENT? Making Twitter fights.

I'm pro boxing I just want good fights and if PBC fails they have to make due with other means and promoters. What good is having a loaded roster like Haymon does if his fighters sit!?!?!

 

[Bleed The Freak]

These cats fukking up all over promoters, networks boxing media who does nothing but bury all the talented guys time and time again shyts just a cesspool for garbage. Al did his thing putting on cards no doubt my beef is he just did nothing to elevate any of the top talent and draws on his crew compared to where they were 2 or 3 years ago. The NBC cards were horrible, not even promoted and phoned in with horrible commentary. The best PBC cards were Spike and FS1 which got a lot of consistent slots.

Guys like Danny Garcia, Deontay Wilder and Keith Thurman should be at another level at this point they seem to have regressed due to inactivity or just fighting jobbers.

HBO is full of shyt too what all do they have at this point Canelo who they bury,GGG who they slob and Kovalev and Ward who while great fighters aren't exactly the star status they should be at this point. Crawford is another guy just rotting away on Arum's stable this nikka should've been on the big stage and no fukking Postal on a bullshyt PPV don't count.

I don't even know who to rank as far as biggest draws in the sport right now Canelo doing less numbers than Michael Bisping on PPV is a joke.


We need some big year ending cards to make up for the weak shyt we got this year I want an 8 on the scene 5 on the screen PBC card throwback Don King still season ending card. I don't care if it's a card full of Garcia/Salka type fights I just wanna see these nikkas in the ring Garcia so forgettable at this point I can't even remember his last 3 fights dude should've been blown up after stealing show on the Mayweather/Canelo card.

Frampton and Spence are 2 guys I think got elevated HUGE this year the rest of the shyt for the birds Thurman beat Porter and just faded away what's the end game? Pacman coming back after getting punked by Floyd to fight guys no one have any interest in seeing shyt just a fukking waste of time.

That's the point I was trying to make all these guys who should be super stars and megastars aren't because of this fractured environment and now they're sitting on the shelf and just fighting mediocre opposition with bad pay-per-view numbers.

No excuse Danny, Thurman, Crawford, Spence Jr, Wilder to an extent aren't PPV or household names like Shane, Corrales, Vargas or Mosley. Let's not ask them to reach Mayweather , Manny or Cotto or Oscar status. These guys are having their primes wasted fighting jobbers. Danny had his huge momentum from beating Matthysee on what was the biggest PPV of all-time do NILL for his career. Thurman gets a FOTY candidate fight with Porter only to go back to anonymity. And Crawford had that sensational win over Gamboa and is looking like a breakthrough superstar and literally nothing is happening to his career.

 

[Tide Run This]

That's the point I was trying to make all these guys who should be super stars and megastars aren't because of this fractured environment and now they're sitting on the shelf and just fighting mediocre opposition with bad pay-per-view numbers.

No excuse Danny, Thurman, Crawford, Spence Jr, Wilder to an extent aren't PPV or household names like Shane, Corrales, Vargas or Mosley. Let's not ask them to reach Mayweather , Manny or Cotto or Oscar status. These guys are having their primes wasted fighting jobbers. Danny had his huge momentum from beating Matthysee on what was the biggest PPV of all-time do NILL for his career. Thurman gets a FOTY candidate fight with Porter only to go back to anonymity. And Crawford had that sensational win over Gamboa and is looking like a breakthrough superstar and literally nothing is happening to his career.

I'm not a fan of the let the fight build up shyt its 2016 its not 1996 anymore the viewing public got better options these days then waiting on a fight that should've happened 2 or 3 years earlier. May/Pac duped the average joe after waiting 5 years to that fight (I thought the fight was fine I expected it) but you not gonna be able to get the public to get sucked in again with this so called Canelo/GGG sit on it shyt. It's a damn shame Conor/Nate done fought and ran it back since Swift had a fight this year and them cats did 2 of the biggest PPV's ever fukk all that let it build bullshyt we been hearing that trash for over a decade with fights for them to never happen or happen years too late.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

I'm not a fan of the let the fight build up shyt its 2016 its not 1996 anymore the viewing public got better options these days then waiting on a fight that should've happened 2 or 3 years earlier. May/Pac duped the average joe after waiting 5 years to that fight (I thought the fight was fine I expected it) but you not gonna be able to get the public to get sucked in again with this so called Canelo/GGG sit on it shyt. It's a damn shame Conor/Nate done fought and ran it back since Swift had a fight this year and them cats did 2 of the biggest PPV's ever fukk all that let it build bullshyt we been hearing that trash for over a decade with fights for them to never happen or happen years too late.

And then top it off you got fans of the sport acting like promoters that are talking about letting the fight marinate taking sides or making excuses for ducks and garbage fights like who cares don't you want to see a dope fight?

20 years ago...heck 10 years ago Thurman and the guys I mentioned would have been on the same card. No talented Ricky Hatton had more popularity then these dudes (yeah he had England behind him but you get my point). It's a shame the fight happening at the right time with two in prime fighters with no BS to get the fight made (Ward vs Kovalev) gets the worst buzz possible due to the two guys involved.

 

[desjardins]

Bringing Bud into this
He ran a clinic on the 2nd best fighter in his division 2 months ago and tried to get Manny in the ring shortly there away. Thurman gets a pass too since he just fought Porter 3 months ago.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Bringing Bud into this
He ran a clinic on the 2nd best fighter in his division 2 months ago and tried to get Manny in the ring shortly there away. Thurman gets a pass too since he just fought Porter 3 months ago.

I am one of the biggest Crawford you can possibly find as soon as I saw him fight Prescott and school him on a week's notice I knew this dude was special what I'm saying is this dude has superstar written all over him and Top Rank's roster is holding him back. He needs a Thurman, Danny or Broner on his scalp at 140-147. He should be on late night shows or Good Morning America. He is that good. Stupid Arum had Donaire for 3 years knocking out everyone and never once put him on a Manny undercard to make him a household name now he puts him on the Vargas undercard when he's washed up. Floyd vs Manny instead of A LOADED CARD WITH HAD LEO SANTA CRUZ VS .

Thurman is another dude. He is one camera friendly guy with a pleasing style and makes funny quotes and knows how to engage people with his talk. The talent is there but the boxing system is killing these guys. When Floyd was beating the brakes off of Arturo Gatti he was on ESPN, making himself into a household name. Where are these guys doing the TV circuit? Heck Zab is more known then these guys.

 

[Tide Run This]

I am one of the biggest Crawford you can possibly find as soon as I saw him fight Prescott and school him on a week's notice I knew this dude was special what I'm saying is this dude has superstar written all over him and Top Rank's roster is holding him back. He needs a Thurman, Danny or Broner on his scalp at 140-147. He should be on late night shows or Good Morning America. He is that good. Stupid Arum had Donaire for 3 years knocking out everyone and never once put him on a Manny undercard to make him a household name now he puts him on the Vargas undercard when he's washed up. Floyd vs Manny instead of A LOADED CARD WITH HAD LEO SANTA CRUZ VS .

Thurman is another dude. He is one camera friendly guy with a pleasing style and makes funny quotes and knows how to engage people with his talk. The talent is there but the boxing system is killing these guys. When Floyd was beating the brakes off of Arturo Gatti he was on ESPN, making himself into a household name. Where are these guys doing the TV circuit? Heck Zab is more known then these guys.

Only fighters the regular jabroni sports fan know that I bump into when discussing boxing is Canelo,GGG and Broner at this point in time Garcia was popular but he done disappeared since January people don't even think about him right now. Kovalev and Ward are dope but jabroni fan don't check for those weight classes. Adonis Stevenson is pretty much a forgotten man these days dude went to PBC got paid and pretty much became a complete afterthought.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

My guess is even if Haymon and PBC isn't working out these guys have a timeframe and no public bashing clause gag order not to speak out in their contracts. Cause most fighters would be speaking out.

Or you look at the dude's on PBC who aren't fighting and there's usually published reasons why.

Thurmans a diva, Danny's not gonna fight another Salka, Porter wants Berto, Charlo's had been ducking, everyone except Andrade is ducking Lara etc. etc.

Now the real troubling part to me, because we all know those dude's will get their shyt worked out, is with the exception of Erickson Lubin, we haven't had many prospect fighting multiple times a year.

#BeterBeast only once thus far this year

Where's @yawn to make sense of this?

 

[mr. smoke weed]

I am one of the biggest Crawford you can possibly find as soon as I saw him fight Prescott and school him on a week's notice I knew this dude was special what I'm saying is this dude has superstar written all over him and Top Rank's roster is holding him back. He needs a Thurman, Danny or Broner on his scalp at 140-147. He should be on late night shows or Good Morning America. He is that good. Stupid Arum had Donaire for 3 years knocking out everyone and never once put him on a Manny undercard to make him a household name now he puts him on the Vargas undercard when he's washed up. Floyd vs Manny instead of A LOADED CARD WITH HAD LEO SANTA CRUZ VS .

Thurman is another dude. He is one camera friendly guy with a pleasing style and makes funny quotes and knows how to engage people with his talk. The talent is there but the boxing system is killing these guys. When Floyd was beating the brakes off of Arturo Gatti he was on ESPN, making himself into a household name. Where are these guys doing the TV circuit? Heck Zab is more known then these guys.

I agree with you on the Nonito part, especially since he's from the Phillipines as well.

Dunno if Bud has that tv charisma honestly. Deontay Wilder/Mikey Garcia/Loma/Oscar Valdez/Danny/Keith should all be doing those things, commentating fights, being on first take or whatever bullshyt ESPN shows there are (shyt even Ward did this). I'm pretty sure Canelo is doing all of these things on Spanish tv already though

 

[Tide Run This]

I agree with you on the Nonito part, especially since he's from the Phillipines as well.

Dunno if Bud has that tv charisma honestly. Deontay Wilder/Mikey Garcia/Loma/Oscar Valdez/Danny/Keith should all be doing those things, commentating fights, being on first take or whatever bullshyt ESPN shows there are (shyt even Ward did this). I'm pretty sure Canelo is doing all of these things on Spanish tv already though

They really failed to take advantage of the May/Pac undercard you could've gave someone a big rub featuring them on that card. No disrespect to Loma or LSC but them fighting jobbers was a complete waste of time they should've used that event to elevate someone you never gonna get a PPV buyrate like that ever again take advantage of it especially if the potential of a dud main event is highly likely that shyt is pretty much a fukk you to the fan paying 100 to watch you pretty much kill your PPV with chump cards like that.

 

[firemanBk]

I am one of the biggest Crawford you can possibly find as soon as I saw him fight Prescott and school him on a week's notice I knew this dude was special what I'm saying is this dude has superstar written all over him and Top Rank's roster is holding him back. He needs a Thurman, Danny or Broner on his scalp at 140-147. He should be on late night shows or Good Morning America. He is that good. Stupid Arum had Donaire for 3 years knocking out everyone and never once put him on a Manny undercard to make him a household name now he puts him on the Vargas undercard when he's washed up. Floyd vs Manny instead of A LOADED CARD WITH HAD LEO SANTA CRUZ VS .

Thurman is another dude. He is one camera friendly guy with a pleasing style and makes funny quotes and knows how to engage people with his talk. The talent is there but the boxing system is killing these guys. When Floyd was beating the brakes off of Arturo Gatti he was on ESPN, making himself into a household name. Where are these guys doing the TV circuit? Heck Zab is more known then these guys.

That's one place where I think boxing should take after the UFC. Most of the time, when the UFC has a really big card, they have at least 2 or 3 huge fights on there. Look at that MSG card. That May/Pax show was an embarrassment. The entire undercard consisted of LSC & Loma on separate fights against jobbers. Imo, boxing PPV cards should be like this
Main event
Co-Main event (legit world title fight with it's own build like Garcia vs. Matthysse)
Good third fight between 2 top 10 guys in a separate weight class (something like Peter Quillin vs. David Lemiuex)
A guaranteed action fight (It's tough to guarantee an action fight but I'm talking fights like Augustus/Wadd where they might not be top fighters but they can tear the house down, that old FNF in front of a 500 person arena type shyt)

Obviously this can't happen cause everyone wants millions to fight anyone worth a fukk now. So, they can't afford to have them all on the same card

 

[patscorpio]

That's one place where I think boxing should take after the UFC. Most of the time, when the UFC has a really big card, they have at least 2 or 3 huge fights on there. Look at that MSG card. That May/Pax show was an embarrassment. The entire undercard consisted of LSC & Loma on separate fights against jobbers. Imo, boxing PPV cards should be like this
Main event
Co-Main event (legit world title fight with it's own build like Garcia vs. Matthysse)
Good third fight between 2 top 10 guys in a separate weight class (something like Peter Quillin vs. David Lemiuex)
A guaranteed action fight (It's tough to guarantee an action fight but I'm talking fights like Augustus/Wadd where they might not be top fighters but they can tear the house down, that old FNF in front of a 500 person arena type shyt)

Obviously this can't happen cause everyone wants millions to fight anyone worth a fukk now. So, they can't afford to have them all on the same card

i trashed that PPV..that was the PPV that made stars of no one..that should have been the one to push new stars forward and build interest in the post may/pac erawith attention of damn near the whole sporting world on it..everything was a failure outside of it being a cash grab for may and pac...and all it did was jade casuals from buying another boxing ppv..it should have been loaded up don king style

 

[mr. smoke weed]

i trashed that PPV..that was the PPV that made stars of no one..that should have been the one to push new stars forward and build interest in the post may/pac ear with attention of damn near the whole sporting world on it..everything was a failure outside of it being a cash grab for may and pac...and all it did was jade casuals from buying another boxing ppv..it should have been loaded up don king style

They should have had at least ggg from hbo side and AB/Danny/Thurman from PBC side

shyt was a joke

 

[Bleed The Freak]

They should have had at least ggg from hbo side and AB/Danny/Thurman from PBC side

shyt was a joke

Even if they only worked together once card should have been:

Garcia vs Jesse Vargas ( I could live with this. I like Vargas to a degree, just no Manny PPV)

Thurman vs Bradley

Donaire/Loma/Walters vs Santa Cruz or Mares. At least casuals could say " hey the rest of the card was nice I'll tune into XYZ fighter even if main event sucked".

Instead....