State of PBC per Dan Rafael

[charknicks]

The reason why there wasn't big fights on the undercard was becuz they wanted a majority of the money going to the fight the people wanted to see. From a business standpoint, it makes perfect sense. As a fan it was pretty damn disappointing.

I know thats why. Thats the shortsighted thinking I am talking about. Money and Pac were at the end of their rope. Why wouldnt you give Money $3 million less and Pac $2 million less ($5 million total, which are nothing to them with that purse, and you can pay them that money back later), to get 2 dope title fights with your Garcia/ Thurman/ Broner/ etc. fighters (your next tier guys who you want to sell on PPV) and have them put on star making fights in front of millions of new eyes so you can sell more PPVs down the line and make more money for years to come? That was the EXACT night to build new stars to carry the sport. Everyone would make money down the line, boxing keeps going strong cause now you have 2-4 new guys that casuals (who watched that fight but dont watch others) will want to see fight again. They would bring more eyes to PPV, PBC fights, HBO fights, etc. Print your own money for years.

Its business 101, and they failed that class.

 

[patscorpio]

Just like where PBC is caught at this point, the big problem is these fighters arent trying to go back in pay after having all that money thrown at them in these early PBC fights. The PBC didnt plan long-term at all. Just throwing $1 million or so a fight for those early Danny Garcia/B-level fights arent the business, when you dont have a plan to make sure you have $1.5 million for him to fight an A-level fighter down the line. He isnt gonna take less money for these fights (and I dont blame him). However, that keeps Garcia (and the rest of these top PBC fighters) on the shelf, and devoids us of many good fights.

Boxing needs to change their planning and budget fast. Throwing too much money at mediocre fighters. Problem is Im not sure whats the best solution. These fighters arent fighters from the 70s and 80s and fighting for the love of the sport.

exactly....its a disgrace that the so called marquee division of boxing, 147, is in the state its in...154 is free from floyd's grasp...all of the young fighters there in prime (Canelo is included in this too since he doesn't want to get his head handed to him by GGG at 160) should be frothing at the mouth to fight each other to be number one...last year i said in the arguments between 154-160, in order for 154 to be a player division they have to start fighting each other..160 at the time didnt have that issue as unification was going down..build up your division make it a money division..win/put up a good showing so you can get paid..too much short term thinking

 

[charknicks]

Ok I'm back...

I honestly don't care either way. I just want to see good fights and if PBC can't do that becuz they may have blown most of their budget then, oh well

And here's why I say that... Promotion companies have come and gone. It just so happens that some have stuck around longer than others have and unfortunately some we just love to hate are still here. This isn't the first time a company has blown thru many by "overpaying" fighters and spending a ridiculous amount on presentation. There was a guy doing this back in the late 70s early 80s. I remember Teddy Atlas talking about him about a year ago. Dude was paying fighters insane amounts of money but the product was terrible and he eventually went under. The shyt happens. shyt... if GBP can't manage with it's small lineup and they somehow go under then on to the next one. I am fan of the sport. I am a fan of the fighters. I could careless who represents them. I just want to see a good fight and I want to know if the guys are being taken care of.


This is PBC 2014 all over again. The thing is, can they produce a 2017 like they did a 2015?

Ok, and I want to see these dudes taken care of too. Boxing is a brutal sport, however:

-as a boxer, sure you want all the money you can get now, but do you to take a fight for $100,000 now and then not fight for a year and waste your prime money making years cause you cant get a fight for $150,000 to $200,000 or fight 2-3 times a year for $60,000-$80,000 and have money still coming in and increasing over time? If you choose A, you hustling backwards.

The promotional companies that come and go are the ones that throw money all over the place (think WCW in wrestling, TNA in wrestling RIGHT NOW, think Strikeforce in MMA, PBC?). Yeah, cats get paid heavy, but they are out of business quick.
The ones that you love to hate (Vince McMahon/WWE, Dana White/UFC, Bob Arum), they get the most complaints, but they are still in business, still kicking cause they ration the money and plan things out. People quick to complain about how they do business, but they do it the right way, and cats stay employed/ paid for years.

Its not an 'oh well' situation. You arent a fan of the sport or the fighters if you have an 'oh well' attitude. Representation is everything.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

That why I want to see what he can do now that Schaefer, left. He still has BHOP..

B Hop is just a face my breh

 

[TheNig]

Its not an 'oh well' situation. You arent a fan of the sport or the fighters if you have an 'oh well' attitude. Representation is everything.

If that means that I'm not a fan of the sport then

If your representation turns to shyt then it may be time for you to look for new representation.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Ok, and I want to see these dudes taken care of too. Boxing is a brutal sport, however:

-as a boxer, sure you want all the money you can get now, but do you to take a fight for $100,000 now and then not fight for a year and waste your prime money making years cause you cant get a fight for $150,000 to $200,000 or fight 2-3 times a year for $60,000-$80,000 and have money still coming in and increasing over time? If you choose A, you hustling backwards.

The promotional companies that come and go are the ones that throw money all over the place (think WCW in wrestling, TNA in wrestling RIGHT NOW, think Strikeforce in MMA, PBC?). Yeah, cats get paid heavy, but they are out of business quick.
The ones that you love to hate (Vince McMahon/WWE, Dana White/UFC, Bob Arum), they get the most complaints, but they are still in business, still kicking cause they ration the money and plan things out. People quick to complain about how they do business, but they do it the right way, and cats stay employed/ paid for years.

Its not an 'oh well' situation. You arent a fan of the sport or the fighters if you have an 'oh well' attitude. Representation is everything.

Agree on all points..except Strikeforce from what I can tell was doing good
(correct me if I'm wrong).

Arum, Dana and McMahon are deplorable yes but they are smart to tell a fighter to hit the bricks and not overpay.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

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EXCLUSIVE: PREMIER BOXING CHAMPIONS NOT OUT OF BUSINESS AND HAVE MORE 2016 DATES – PBC SPEAK OUT

Published On September 30, 2016 | By Niall Doran | Boxing Interviews


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There has been a lot of speculation in recent times pertaining to the demise of Premier Boxing Champions, a television series created to try to bring boxing back to the masses – started by American Alan Haymon in 2015. I wanted to get to the root core of what is really going on and this week after speaking exclusively to a high up PBC spokesman, I did.
There’s a lot of conflicting information out there at the moment on the television series since it started last year. Some true, some not true at all I found out.

Speaking to a member of the Premier Boxing Champions organisation in the US this week, he put the record straight for me on a number of things – in a candid and revealing interview.

As our cross-Atlantic conversation began, it started off with quite a hearty laugh and chuckle between the both of us, when I asked was it true that there were no more PBC events for the rest of 2016 following a mid-week telecast this week:

“Haha. Yeah we’re out of business! Why are you calling me? We’re done, we’ve got nothing else – we’re finished! Jeez. It must be true, it’s on the internet!”

He told me that it is not true there will be no more PBC telecasts for the remainder of 2016:

“This is what I’ll tell you. As far as I know, in November we have two fights with Spike TV and we have some other network’s fights that month and then in December we are looking at some fights that we are looking at either doing – or moving them back to January on other networks.”

Interestingly, he then put me on the spot with a question in terms of start-up businesses, that made me think about the PBC in terms of what direction they are looking to go in now:

“You run a business right? Well let me ask you something about running your business. If you tried something last year and it didn’t exactly work out the way you thought it would, are you going to do the same thing this year as you did last year? Or, are you going to look at it and say, well, that didn’t really work out the way we thought it was going to work out, let’s try something different.”

He got me thinking and made a good point that I could relate to, granted on a much lower level but nonetheless, there’s no denying that when you’re trying to get anything off the ground from scratch from day one, no matter how big or small, teething issues will always happen early on and adjusting your sails and tweaking your plans simply come part and parcel with any form or entrepreneurship.

Unfortunately there is no manual or instructions.

The PBC official was also very keen to get across that boxing like all sports now exist in a very different time in 2016 compared to the past:

“Boxing used to be available on network television. It was never seasonal – it wasn’t like football, it wasn’t like the NBA, it wasn’t like major league baseball. It didn’t have a season so you ran it any time of the year. Now, which is what people that write solely about boxing don’t understand is, there are other sports that are out there. There are other sports that get viewership.”

The PBC then spokesman went onto dispel a few myths that are out there, one of which being they are running out of money but also touching on testing different platforms to see which work best for Premier Boxing Champions:

“People have choices about what they watch. PBC is a television series. You want it to get as many viewers as possible because what we’re trying to do is expand the sport. We are trying to bring interest in the sport to more than just boxing fans. In order to do that, you’ve got to put it on multiple networks so that people can see it. We did that and do that with our network partners. Now in the future, if we shrink the number of networks what is that going to mean? Is that going to mean – oh they are running out of money? No. At some point you determine that this platform works best on a certain number of networks to grow the audience and sport.”

He added:

“You’ve gotta continue to expand the viewership base. You’ve gotta try to grow the sport. You’ve got to continue to try to get people back interested in watching boxing on network television and making it a sport that’s available to the masses.”

This view of looking at the big picture was a theme prevalent throughout our dialogue. Indeed, he struck me as a man very much focused and genuinely passionate on the long-term future of the sport of boxing:

“I think a lot of the time people who write about boxing are sort of boxed in and they don’t look at the big picture. They don’t look at the universe that’s out there. It’s a big universe out there. What the sport needs is for their stars to be presented to the maximum number of people possible. You don’t need to shrink the sport any more, you need to expand the sport. However you can expand the sport – you need to do it.”

As our chat continued, I pointed out how I believed there is a balance to be struck between building the star of an individual fighter’s brand with interesting story telling, as well as a focus on putting that fighter in the most competitive fights as possible to also build his name, essentially promoting the actual fights themselves and promoting the fighter’s star and name attraction in equal measure.

He brought up an interesting point then to me, on how renowned fighter Floyd Mayweather once created significant cross over appeal a few years back outside of HBO’s 24/7 series prior to his bout with Oscar De La Hoya:

“You have to remember that Floyd Mayweather went on ‘Dancing With The Stars’ which was a series that averaged close to 20 million viewers every time it was on the air. So however long his run was on the show, I think it was 6 or 7 weeks, for 7 weeks they told his story and 20 million people saw it. They learned that he’s going to be fighting somebody. Guess what? A lot of those people are going to go, okay I saw this guy on ‘Dancing With The Stars’, I saw this guy on the WWE (wrestling organisation). I might want to tune in and watch who he’s fighting. Now he has cross-over appeal.”

Speaking on criticisms levelled at PBC for matchmaking and quality of fights, he said:

“We have over 50 shows a year. People are always like, oh they are mismatches, they are horrible fights. No they are not. They are evenly matched fights with guys of equal skill level and you have various levels of guys that are on different networks. You have guys that are prospects that fight on certain networks, you have guys that are contenders that fight on certain networks and you have guys that are champions that fight on certain networks. So the guys are working to get to the championship level.”

I was also very keen to get his opinion on the whole idea that was out there in the beginning, that the PBC wanted to create on world champion per weight division in boxing, which I thought might lead to a conflict of interest down the line with the world boxing sanctioning bodies.

He told me this wasn’t true at all:

“I think you just have to work inside the parameters of what the sanctioning organisations do and we work well with the sanctioning organisations. The PBC is a television series. We’re not trying to take any bread out of anybody’s mouth or food off the table. You work within the parameters of what you have and I don’t think the sanctioning organisations will ever stand in the way of making a fight that is going to be for the better of the sport. I think there’s always a way to negotiate to get a fight that the fans want to see. They (the governing bodies) realise that their very existence is owed to the appeal of the sport, so why would they work in detriment for something that’s going to be for the better of the sport?”

As our chat wrapped up that went on for nearly an hour, I was now more than clear on what is actually going on at Premier Boxing Champions from a factual perspective.

Don’t believe everything you hear. PBC are here to stay for quite some time yet in my view.

In conclusion, I believe it is important to consider the amount of programming PBC has been putting on for boxing fans since starting around 18 months ago, close to 90 TV events.

When compared to the other broadcasters who have been putting on boxing content in the US, they stack up well, considering the significantly larger amount of shows they’ve had.

If you’re putting on a show close to once a week or every two weeks, not all of them are going to be Hagler vs Hearns.

Two fights this year in particular that appeared on PBC however, Frampton vs Santa Cruz and Thurman vs Porter, are legitimate fight of the year contenders.

Boxing being shown more on network television and to more people in general can only be a good thing, in my humble opinion.

Photo credit: Ramiro Cairo for ESPN



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[TheNig]

Then this




EXCLUSIVE: PREMIER BOXING CHAMPIONS NOT OUT OF BUSINESS AND HAVE MORE 2016 DATES – PBC SPEAK OUT

Published On September 30, 2016 | By Niall Doran | Boxing Interviews


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There has been a lot of speculation in recent times pertaining to the demise of Premier Boxing Champions, a television series created to try to bring boxing back to the masses – started by American Alan Haymon in 2015. I wanted to get to the root core of what is really going on and this week after speaking exclusively to a high up PBC spokesman, I did.
There’s a lot of conflicting information out there at the moment on the television series since it started last year. Some true, some not true at all I found out.

Speaking to a member of the Premier Boxing Champions organisation in the US this week, he put the record straight for me on a number of things – in a candid and revealing interview.

As our cross-Atlantic conversation began, it started off with quite a hearty laugh and chuckle between the both of us, when I asked was it true that there were no more PBC events for the rest of 2016 following a mid-week telecast this week:

“Haha. Yeah we’re out of business! Why are you calling me? We’re done, we’ve got nothing else – we’re finished! Jeez. It must be true, it’s on the internet!”

He told me that it is not true there will be no more PBC telecasts for the remainder of 2016:

“This is what I’ll tell you. As far as I know, in November we have two fights with Spike TV and we have some other network’s fights that month and then in December we are looking at some fights that we are looking at either doing – or moving them back to January on other networks.”

Interestingly, he then put me on the spot with a question in terms of start-up businesses, that made me think about the PBC in terms of what direction they are looking to go in now:

“You run a business right? Well let me ask you something about running your business. If you tried something last year and it didn’t exactly work out the way you thought it would, are you going to do the same thing this year as you did last year? Or, are you going to look at it and say, well, that didn’t really work out the way we thought it was going to work out, let’s try something different.”

He got me thinking and made a good point that I could relate to, granted on a much lower level but nonetheless, there’s no denying that when you’re trying to get anything off the ground from scratch from day one, no matter how big or small, teething issues will always happen early on and adjusting your sails and tweaking your plans simply come part and parcel with any form or entrepreneurship.

Unfortunately there is no manual or instructions.

The PBC official was also very keen to get across that boxing like all sports now exist in a very different time in 2016 compared to the past:

“Boxing used to be available on network television. It was never seasonal – it wasn’t like football, it wasn’t like the NBA, it wasn’t like major league baseball. It didn’t have a season so you ran it any time of the year. Now, which is what people that write solely about boxing don’t understand is, there are other sports that are out there. There are other sports that get viewership.”

The PBC then spokesman went onto dispel a few myths that are out there, one of which being they are running out of money but also touching on testing different platforms to see which work best for Premier Boxing Champions:

“People have choices about what they watch. PBC is a television series. You want it to get as many viewers as possible because what we’re trying to do is expand the sport. We are trying to bring interest in the sport to more than just boxing fans. In order to do that, you’ve got to put it on multiple networks so that people can see it. We did that and do that with our network partners. Now in the future, if we shrink the number of networks what is that going to mean? Is that going to mean – oh they are running out of money? No. At some point you determine that this platform works best on a certain number of networks to grow the audience and sport.”

He added:

“You’ve gotta continue to expand the viewership base. You’ve gotta try to grow the sport. You’ve got to continue to try to get people back interested in watching boxing on network television and making it a sport that’s available to the masses.”

This view of looking at the big picture was a theme prevalent throughout our dialogue. Indeed, he struck me as a man very much focused and genuinely passionate on the long-term future of the sport of boxing:

“I think a lot of the time people who write about boxing are sort of boxed in and they don’t look at the big picture. They don’t look at the universe that’s out there. It’s a big universe out there. What the sport needs is for their stars to be presented to the maximum number of people possible. You don’t need to shrink the sport any more, you need to expand the sport. However you can expand the sport – you need to do it.”

As our chat continued, I pointed out how I believed there is a balance to be struck between building the star of an individual fighter’s brand with interesting story telling, as well as a focus on putting that fighter in the most competitive fights as possible to also build his name, essentially promoting the actual fights themselves and promoting the fighter’s star and name attraction in equal measure.

He brought up an interesting point then to me, on how renowned fighter Floyd Mayweather once created significant cross over appeal a few years back outside of HBO’s 24/7 series prior to his bout with Oscar De La Hoya:

“You have to remember that Floyd Mayweather went on ‘Dancing With The Stars’ which was a series that averaged close to 20 million viewers every time it was on the air. So however long his run was on the show, I think it was 6 or 7 weeks, for 7 weeks they told his story and 20 million people saw it. They learned that he’s going to be fighting somebody. Guess what? A lot of those people are going to go, okay I saw this guy on ‘Dancing With The Stars’, I saw this guy on the WWE (wrestling organisation). I might want to tune in and watch who he’s fighting. Now he has cross-over appeal.”

Speaking on criticisms levelled at PBC for matchmaking and quality of fights, he said:

“We have over 50 shows a year. People are always like, oh they are mismatches, they are horrible fights. No they are not. They are evenly matched fights with guys of equal skill level and you have various levels of guys that are on different networks. You have guys that are prospects that fight on certain networks, you have guys that are contenders that fight on certain networks and you have guys that are champions that fight on certain networks. So the guys are working to get to the championship level.”

I was also very keen to get his opinion on the whole idea that was out there in the beginning, that the PBC wanted to create on world champion per weight division in boxing, which I thought might lead to a conflict of interest down the line with the world boxing sanctioning bodies.

He told me this wasn’t true at all:

“I think you just have to work inside the parameters of what the sanctioning organisations do and we work well with the sanctioning organisations. The PBC is a television series. We’re not trying to take any bread out of anybody’s mouth or food off the table. You work within the parameters of what you have and I don’t think the sanctioning organisations will ever stand in the way of making a fight that is going to be for the better of the sport. I think there’s always a way to negotiate to get a fight that the fans want to see. They (the governing bodies) realise that their very existence is owed to the appeal of the sport, so why would they work in detriment for something that’s going to be for the better of the sport?”

As our chat wrapped up that went on for nearly an hour, I was now more than clear on what is actually going on at Premier Boxing Champions from a factual perspective.

Don’t believe everything you hear. PBC are here to stay for quite some time yet in my view.

In conclusion, I believe it is important to consider the amount of programming PBC has been putting on for boxing fans since starting around 18 months ago, close to 90 TV events.

When compared to the other broadcasters who have been putting on boxing content in the US, they stack up well, considering the significantly larger amount of shows they’ve had.

If you’re putting on a show close to once a week or every two weeks, not all of them are going to be Hagler vs Hearns.

Two fights this year in particular that appeared on PBC however, Frampton vs Santa Cruz and Thurman vs Porter, are legitimate fight of the year contenders.

Boxing being shown more on network television and to more people in general can only be a good thing, in my humble opinion.

Photo credit: Ramiro Cairo for ESPN



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If they have more dates then cool.

 

[desjardins]

If they have more dates then cool.

Fat Dan said that in his piece. Problem is that the dates are on 2nd tier networks , like Spice, and thus mostly likely shyt fights that casuals won't watch.
It's October....who is fighting? Are any of their tier A fighters in training camp right now? There are no scheduled fights on their website right now

 

[desjardins]

I know thats why. Thats the shortsighted thinking I am talking about. Money and Pac were at the end of their rope. Why wouldnt you give Money $3 million less and Pac $2 million less ($5 million total, which are nothing to them with that purse, and you can pay them that money back later), to get 2 dope title fights with your Garcia/ Thurman/ Broner/ etc. fighters (your next tier guys who you want to sell on PPV) and have them put on star making fights in front of millions of new eyes so you can sell more PPVs down the line and make more money for years to come? That was the EXACT night to build new stars to carry the sport. Everyone would make money down the line, boxing keeps going strong cause now you have 2-4 new guys that casuals (who watched that fight but dont watch others) will want to see fight again. They would bring more eyes to PPV, PBC fights, HBO fights, etc. Print your own money for years.

Its business 101, and they failed that class.

It was controlled by Mayweather. What incentive did he have to pay himself less money to have fighters that weren't under mayweather promotions on the card? It ain't his responsibility to help build other promotional companies fighters

 

[mr x]

It was controlled by Mayweather. What incentive did he have to pay himself less money to have fighters that weren't under mayweather promotions on the card? It ain't his responsibility to help build other promotional companies fighters

In the long run, his fighters would eat more if the sport is thriving and there big ppv cards for his fighters to fight on.

These promoters ain't grow up on sesame street. Smh

Spoiler

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

Hit me with a link where I can learn how to do vlookups, sumif, and SCF.

I'm a purchasing agent/supply chain management analyst, and although we have software that does it for us, it's always nice to add another skill to the resume.

I worked in supply chain as a senior contract analyst. Manually knowing how to do this stuff is super beneficial.

Not knowing your skill level but start here.

30 Excel Functions in 30 Days 30XL30D

Learn how to incorporate individual functions then you can branch out into combining them.

 

[Mook]

Lol at let the fight build up. Build up to what? No one's watching.

 

[Tide Run This]

Lol at let the fight build up. Build up to what? No one's watching.

Bingo these guys aren't major like that cats egos so inflated