State of PBC per Dan Rafael

[Mook]

There's no dispute that this definitely have biased when it comes to dealing with Al and PBC I come from the school of thought that all I want to do is just watch the fight I don't care about the promoter obviously want the fighters to get compensated for what they're worth but I think right now there's a crucial period where every single outlet of these fights is under a budget crunch because Floyd retired and now there's a void being left of lack of good fights being made particularly at the welterweight division.

A guy like Keith Thurman has superstar written all over him and I just don't understand how this guy hasn't blown up yet he's got charm knockout power and crowd-pleasing style.

I will say that HBO has done an absolute awful job and Triple G and his hype and I think he's a good fighter has gotten completely ridiculous hopefully now with this bad year under our belt we can start to see some good fights next year.

I just hate to see these guys primes being wasted.

BECAUSE KEITHE THURMAN AND EVERYONE ELSE DOESNT FIGHT ANYONE!

The best resume other than pac and bradley at WW is Shawn Porter and its laughable.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

BECAUSE KEITHE THURMAN AND EVERYONE ELSE DOESNT FIGHT ANYONE!

The best resume other than pac and bradley at WW is Shawn Porter and its laughable.

I'm not disputing that either but if you look across the street Triple G's been fighting mismatches for the last 4 years and Canelo fought 2 painfully overmatched guys in a row so it's pretty even Steven on both sides of the equation. HBO had Ward fight a godforsaken opponent a month ago. Manny is fighting JESSE VARGAS ON PPV.

 

[Mook]

I'm not disputing that either but if you look across the street Triple G's been fighting mismatches for the last 4 years and Canelo fought 2 painfully overmatched guys in a row so it's pretty even Steven on both sides of the equation. HBO had Ward fight a godforsaken opponent a month ago. Manny is fighting JESSE VARGAS ON PPV.

Golden Boy and Top Rank have a shytty stable.

 

[Black_Jesus]

These networks took Al Haymon money.. used him and said ******.. probably never even gave a fukk about the ratings.. just saw a come up..

 

[Master Teacher]

BECAUSE KEITHE THURMAN AND EVERYONE ELSE DOESNT FIGHT ANYONE!

The best resume other than pac and bradley at WW is Shawn Porter and its laughable.

Didn't Thurman just fight Porter 3 months ago lmao

lmao at bradley having a resume at 147 lmao, he's fought nothing but blown up 140 pounders and he is irrelevant to 147 division at this point

yall gonna grow old and die waiting on haymon's down fall

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Ain't nobody hoping for his downfall I'm a boxing fan not a network or promoter fan that's foolish. I'd rather he tried this and it ain't work then not do anything. I had some issues with some of the matchups but hey it is what it is.

If what Dan is saying is true maybe we get better matchups. Some guys may be tired of sitting or not like what's taking place and move on. Oscar and Arum are guilty of milking in house matchups too. I could care less if Danny Garcia is with Haymon, DiBella, Arum or Golden Boy, Warren, Hearn or RocNation. Long as he doesn't fight Rod Salka and fights 2X a year against top-notch competition that's all that matters.

I can't believe people as boxing fans take sides.....like you're on payroll.

We need more Ward vs Kovalev and Cotto vs Canelo....regardless of who makes it.

 

[desjardins]

BECAUSE KEITHE THURMAN AND EVERYONE ELSE DOESNT FIGHT ANYONE!

The best resume other than pac and bradley at WW is Shawn Porter and its laughable.

Yea PBC basically took the top rank keep it in house strategy and made it worse since they don't match enough of their top guys up. Haymon has like 80% of the talent out there and yet we see way too many jobber fights. It's a shame but it got me actively rooting for guys like Guerrero,berto, Peterson, etc to become just so we stop seeing them get matched against top guys. How you going have guys fight once a year AND make it against a jobber

 

[patscorpio]

Yea PBC basically took the top rank keep it in house strategy and made it worse since they don't match enough of their top guys up. Haymon has like 80% of the talent out there and yet we see way too many jobber fights. It's a shame but it got me actively rooting for guys like Guerrero,berto, Peterson, etc to become just so we stop seeing them get matched against top guys. How you going have guys fight once a year AND make it against a jobber

BUT BUT BUT..THEY ARE GETTING PAID..THEY GOT FAMILIES..AL IS FOR THE FIGHTERS (well they got that one right .. ..thats why the matchmaking and shyt is all fukked up)

 

[Clapsteel O'Neal]

I won't dispute the fact that Dan is notoriously biased especially towards Top Rank and Triple G but where there's smoke there's fire and I just think that would be better if all these promoters with these lackluster fights they been talking together with the occasional dope fight managed to work out their differences.

And all those dudes have been sidelined. That's a fact. And BLH talked about this too. I think HBO has been AWFUL for the last 12 months and I think everyone's stubbornness is biting them now. Only fighters that get who they want are the British guys. They're insulated from the BS.

Rafael works for HBO and ESPN, his articles regarding the PBC are null and void off the strength of that. There is 0% journalistic integrity.

Long story short


He's chatting sh1te

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Rafael works for HBO and ESPN, his articles regarding the PBC are null and void off the strength of that. There is 0% journalistic integrity.

Long story short


He's chatting sh1te

So......then why haven't PBC been airing a full slate of fights this year? Why has NBC cancelled their upcoming fights? I don't care if someone is the biggest PBC fan on earth there is a bit of truth here. And trust as a fan of boxing I wanted and still want this to be succesful. Why have the biggest names sat on the shelf all year? Are you honestly suggesting there is no basis at all in his claims?

It can't just be Dan hates PBC.

And please for the sake of this thread I do not hate TMT, Al Haymon and PBC and any of that other crap people like to label others on here when it comes to this topic.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

BUT BUT BUT..THEY ARE GETTING PAID..THEY GOT FAMILIES..AL IS FOR THE FIGHTERS (well they got that one right .. ..thats why the matchmaking and shyt is all fukked up)

we tried to tell'em fam

 

[Bleed The Freak]

So this is a lie....

They're hating on PBC too right? It sucks to say this but HBO/Showtime hold the cards and HAVE ALL THE LEVERAGE IN 2017. I really believe Haymon with his inflated purses and overpaying of Fighters has created a monster every single one of his fighters now thinks they're a Million Dollar Baby. I mean you hear some of these dudes talk in the ring after their fights and all they talk about is this fight needs to be made only under the terms of XYZ amount of dollars and if I get XYZ amount of Revenue AKA Kid Chocolate or Danny Jacobs.

They got the Floyd ego without the clout, fanbase skills or MARKETABILITY.

 

[GzUp]

Yea PBC basically took the top rank keep it in house strategy and made it worse since they don't match enough of their top guys up. Haymon has like 80% of the talent out there and yet we see way too many jobber fights. It's a shame but it got me actively rooting for guys like Guerrero,berto, Peterson, etc to become just so we stop seeing them get matched against top guys. How you going have guys fight once a year AND make it against a jobber

Reminds me of the old WWF when they always matched up a nobody against a superstar and u always knew the superstar was going to win

 

[GzUp]

@Rashaddw u win

 

[patscorpio]

here are some of my posts talking about PBC last year, in September when the majority was going ga-ga over it..i had reposted earlier in the main thread

i dont like boxers being paid big money to fight non descript opponents, jobbers, bums..it creates entitlement...i dont think its good for boxers or the sport...i think it ruins fighters..it makes them less competitive and adverse to risk..all you have to see for an example is 147 right now among the fighters signed to haymon

@Cole Cash

aight breh..my views on Haymon and PBC

I don't see Haymon as some savior for boxing mostly because of how the fighters he "advises" are compensated in contrast to what they have actually done in the careers. Alot of his fighters are overpaid for fighting the most non descript opponents and passing them off as must see cards.

He all but turned boxing on showtime into shyt with this matchmaking practice last year. shyt was disgusting to me esp since i pay for the channel. I also think that shyt ruins fighters, especially young and/or upcoming fighters. It breeds laziness and complacency along with tendency for risk aversion. I also can give 2 shyts on what fighters make as an excuse for this. Hell its already starting to rear its head in some of his main fighters already and I think its going to get worse.

PBC is the culmination of Al's efforts to preserve his fighters from taking Ls. Now I thought PBC's intent, besides trying to showcase boxing on more mainstream level, was showing a better quality of fights. Especially with that roster he has under his control. i don't feel that way at all. I'm not the people that are nitpicking the design, or the broadcasting team, or the entrances for PBC and dismissing it off that. That type of shyt is trivial and cosmetic in the bigger picture of things. What is important though is it matchmaking. I don't feel the cards are any different from your FNF, Shobox, HBO BAD, regular Showtime card. It has its fights here and there and I do have a PBC fight as the current leading FOTY candidate (Huck-Glowacki - ironically neither are PBC fighters lol). However it is the one thing I harp about PBC. The potential for good cards are there but its not being executed right.

Now I hear the typical response "Pat its on free TV though ". That shouldn't be any reason to excuse the matchmaking. I also feel because there's so many PBC cards these days, it is used as a crutch. For example the 3 undercard fights on the past Floyd-Berto card shytted on every PBC card i've seen, which is all of them. That was on a PPV and that is the type of level of fights i thought PBC was going to bring to the game. Now with all that I've seen every PBC card on TV and have even been to one live with plans on seeing another one live next month. I do it because I love boxing..nothing more nothing less.

If im going to drink the PBC kool aid, the matchmaking has to improve and even better work with other promoters

so thats basically a sum of my thoughts..most of the cats on here have heard them before in different variations