Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Official Thread)

[CHL]

I have a quick question ....

if Ben was so adamant on not telling luke about his father ... why did luke/leia tell ben about his grandfather

Well Ben did it to protect and hide Luke and Leia from him. The idea being if he knew their thoughts or knew he had kids out there, through the Force, he'd be able to sense them. So it's a different scenario here. But I think they just wanted to be truthful with Ben, not hide anything from him. They probably felt like they were lied to

In the novel Bloodline (novel) (set 28 ABY), it's established that Luke/Leia never told anyone of their true parantage (apart from Han), including Ben. Around this time Leia is in the running for Chancellor of the Republic, however a rival Senator learns the truth and reveals it within the Senate chambers. She is outed to the Galaxy, her reputation plummets, and when she later warns the Senate of the rising threat of the First Order, many Senators dismiss her as Vader's daughter, as a warmonger. With the Republic ineffective in addressing this threat, she creates the Resistance.

A short time later, I assume, Ben learns of this revelation, and it sparks his fall to the dark side.

A few people from her past, including Ackbar, Nien Nunb, and Lando, had messaged or sent holos that showed their compassion and loyalty. Mon Mothma’s message even hinted that she’d suspected for a long while—which meant she’d never allowed it to prejudice their relationship. Leia knew now who her truest friends were, and she would never forget it. “But to the galaxy at large? Everything else is gone.” “Then to hell with the galaxy at large.” Typical Han. “It just hurts, that’s all. The rumors, the anger, the sense of disgrace for something I couldn’t help. Even the man who outed me to the Senate—Ransolm Casterfo—we’d been working together on the Rinnrivin Di investigation for months, and I honestly believed we’d become good friends. Yet as soon as he heard the truth about Vader, he betrayed me.”

 

[Dillah810]

 

[CHL]

Was that rule of 2 some uncontested rule or just a master and an apprentice no organized jedi councel shyt because where is the balance if u had 500 jedi and 2 sith dudes? At least i thought thats how they would explain snoke and if a crew bump into other sith lords they either keep wuiet about it or fight to the death.

- It's unclear what Balance in the Chosen One prophecy actually means, even Mace Windu thought so.
- Many Jedi thought the Light Side was balance, and therefore any the presence of the dark side caused the Force to be imbalanced.
- Other Force-users (and perhaps some Grey Jedi) consider Balance to be between the Light Side & Dark Side. And regarding your question, Balance is in the Force, the Jedi & Sith can influence it one way or the other, but they are not themselves the balance. Like if there were 10 Jedi & 10 Sith, that wouldn't necessarily mean the Force is balanced
- And then still others think Balance means something completely different, or that Balance is irrelevant (e.g the Sith)

The Rule of Two was an uncontested rule, but only for the Banite Sith .There could be Sith who don't follow the Rule of Two, that are descended from other ancient Sith and not Darth Bane, and have been in hiding for centuries/millennia for some reason, with the Banite Sith & Jedi unaware of their existence Snoke could be one of these, or perhaps an actual ancient Sith Lord. He could also be non-Sith.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

"the bots! Someone stop Rotten Tomatoes! It's all bots!"

It's like some of us been saying. Critics are scared to piss off Disney because Disney will revoke their passes

 

[bnm8907]

Don't give a fukk about the Resistance

The Resistance, First Order, none of it is interesting.


This movie sucked the excitement of anything they're trying to do

real talk. Theres nothing I'm looking forward to in the next movie. First order can have the galaxy for all I care. Its not like the rebels wont just lose it again in another twenty years. But then again they'll probably make another death star and then...........

 

[Mission249]

My theater was pretty much dead for the entire movie (and the same theater was buzzing during TFA). I felt the same. So, after I left and read all the glowing reviews, I feel like I must've watched the movie in an alternate universe.

And all the fans need to stop the false narrative that the haters are mad just cause Luke died; that Rey wasn't a Skywalker; etc. I don't care about any of that. I just wanted to get hyped and the only time I even got close was when Luke took all those blasters without flinching. I was ready for him to wreck shyt, then immediately after that they killed all the hype and I'm back to: "is that it?"

The last scene of TFA made me hyped as hell to see what happens next. The last scene of this movie made me think "I don't give a shyt about if the Resistance wins. The resistance is the most boring plotline of this whole damn universe. What else is there? You wrecked all the other story lines". OK, sure Kylo, we'll kill the past, but what else is there? What else have you set up to entertain us? Finn and his love interest?

 

[JetLife]

First 3rd felt like a Spaceballs riff of the new trilogy
Second 3rd felt like way too much development of secondary characters
Last 3rd was stunning visuals

I think I might be hitting Star Wars fatigue where I'm just not that invested in the core story anymore and not on my seat's edge to find out what happens next. Just feels like the series is now turning into a sisyphean task of churning out a core movie every other year and a side story movie in the off years.

OG Star Wars is a nice arc
Prequel Star Wars, as horrible as they were carried out, I was still interested to see the Anakin to Vader transition
At this point, I'm pretty ambivalent on whatever happens to Kylo/Rey:First Order/Resistance

 

[FlyRy]

The whole casino scene and them rabbit-horses had me

Pure Disney.

That whole subplot was the stupidest shyt I saw on screen all year.

The CGI was suspect too.

They must have spent all their CGI time on snokes face and the peach fuzz on his chin.

 

[Apollo]

What do the brehs think about this

Yea it has to be bots for the low viewer scores.

And people went with theory's because of the crap writing in TFA that didn't explain shyt.

 

[Airtrack360]

As cool as the whole Holdo using hyperspace to blast through the first order was; Rian Johnson just wrote a lot of potential plots into a hole.

I mean if ships can be used as a weapon like that then what's the point of having a whole armada.

Did no one think to do that to the death stars?

How do you defend against something like that?

Are we suppose to just forget that happened the next time the FO rolls up with a bunch of huge ships and the resistance not knowing what to do.

So as cool as that was, story wise that technique shouldn't be a thing.

Edit: adding to this I just always thought lightspeed was all about going from point A to point B and if there was anything inbetween like a planet, an asteroid field or even a ship that the calculations for the jump would just not be possible. Otherwise people would be constantly running into shyt on accident.

So idk he just seemed to take away any simple logic they had with hyperspace jumps and threw it out the window.

 

[Dillah810]

 

[Apollo]

The could have atleast gave Snoke like 5 minutes of dialogue to explain a back story, something as simple as Palpatine was disillusioned with Vader so he trained Snoke to take Vader's place.

 

[Dillah810]

What do the brehs think about this

I've heard that, when it comes to viewer/audience scores, the only place to trust is cinemascore. The reason Cinemascore is the only valid one is because it's the only one that the only polls people who actually saw the movie. When it comes to RT and IMDB's audience score, you don't even have to see the movie to vote on it. RT and IMDB even have audience scores for movies before they've even been publicly released. Cinemascore, however, only polls people in person at the theater after they've seen the movie. That way you know the people have definitely seen the movie that they're judging. According to Cinemascore, the movie scored an A among regular non-critic people who views the movie. Therefore, even though this movie has low audience scroes on IMDB and RT, you have to take that with a grain of salt because you don't even have to see the movie to vote on those platforms.

 

[CHL]

As cool as the whole Holdo using hyperspace to blast through the first order was; Rian Johnson just wrote a lot of potential plots into a hole.

I mean if ships can be used as a weapon like that then what's the point of having a whole armada.

Did no one think to do that to the death stars?

How do you defend against something like that?

Are we suppose to just forget that happened the next time the FO rolls up with a bunch of huge ships and the resistance not knowing what to do.

So as cool as that was, story wise that technique shouldn't be a thing.

Edit: adding to this I just always thought lightspeed was all about going from point A to point B and if there was anything inbetween like a planet, an asteroid field or even a ship that the calculations for the jump would just not be possible. Otherwise people would be constantly running into shyt on accident.

So idk he just seemed to take away any simple logic they had with hyperspace jumps and threw it out the window.

 

[ELESDEE616]

"Rian Johnson hates the original Star Wars trilogy. JJ Abrams loved the original trilogy and wrote a love letter to the franchise with the Force Awakens, even if the movie was a rehash, you feel respect and reverence. Rian Johnson hates the original trilogy, and all the silly macho pulp trappings it represents. He intentionally made a movie that shyts all over what Star Wars stands for (destiny, and family lineage, lightsaber battles, evil emperors, the notion of heroism). Poe Dameron's heroism is tossed aside as recklessness. Luke is not a hero, but a bitter guy. The film represents a hatred of Star Wars; a hatred of fun time escapist films."

- u/thetoadwarrior4