Star Wars The Force Awakens [SPOILERS] Thread: SPOILERS

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Darth Humanist said:
:ohhh: :leon: link?
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He obviously loves the old movies more, but I remember reading his reaction when Sith came out (around the same time as Star Trek I think) and he mentioned how much he loved it, it was noted because he said he also thought the previous one was underrated. Deliberately not commenting on Episode I.

I'm at work but quickly did find:


Peter: What were your thoughts about the Star Wars prequels? What did you like and what didn’t you like? What lessons did you take from those films for Episode VII?

J.J. Abrams: All I’ll say about the prequels is if you ask someone around the age I was when the original trilogy came out, “Whats your favorite Star Wars movie?” they will tell you one of the original trilogy. If you ask someone around that age when the prequels came out, they will say one of the prequels. And it’s scientifically proven and undeniable. The original trilogy was for me what Star Wars felt like. And it was what Star Wars was. The prequels had a different but apparently equally powerful draw for so many people, and in some cases a more powerful draw. What I loved about the original trilogy is how real it felt..

JJ Abrams Interview: Abandoning Lucas' Treatments & Star Wars Prequels.
 
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Vincenzo_Corleone said:
They're not ignoring the prequels at all, Anakin was supposed to be in this movie (and might be in future ones) + Ewan McGregor has a line in this flick + we see Prequel props all over the flick.

The first lines are about 'balance of the force' - which is a concept the prequels introduced. The Clones are also mentioned.

It's just fanboys doing what they always do, imagining they have any ownership over the Star Wars story.

JJ was a huge fan of Clones/Sith (probably not Menace).
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Well I meant in terms of how the force is viewed and moving away from the midochlorians
J.J. Abrams: Yes, and what I’m getting to is having said all that and meaning it — I don’t want to presume over-write or change what George says the rules are. I’m not someone who quite understands the science of the Force. To me Star Wars was never about science fiction — it was a spiritual story. And it was more of a fairytale in that regard. For me when I heard Obi-Wan say that the Force surrounds us and binds us all together, there was no judgement about who you were. This was something that we could all access. Being strong with the Force didn’t mean something scientific, it meant something spiritual. It meant someone who could believe, someone who could reach down to the depths of your feelings and follow this primal energy that was flowing through all of us. I mean, that’s what was said in that first film! And there I am sitting in the theater at almost 11 years old and that was a powerful notion. And I think this is what your point was, we would like to believe that when shyt gets serious, that you could harness that Force I was told surrounds not just some of us but every living thing. And so, I really feel like the assumption that any character needs to have inherited a certain number of midi-chlorians or needs to be part of a bloodline. It’s not that I don’t believe that as part of the canon, I’m just saying that at 11 years old, that wasn’t where my heart was. And so I respect and adhere to the canon but I also say that the Force has always seemed to me to be more inclusive and stronger than that.
 
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Midichlorians were like two lines in three movies, I never understood how that blew up so much. But i get your point.

Although I would say that how they used the force in Episode vii is not even consistent with the originals (at least not on Reys part).

Luke needed training, it wasnt all spiritual.

"Obi-Wan has taught you well, but you are not a Jedi yet"
"Obi-Wan is no longer around to train him"

Shyt they devoted half of Empire to a training montage.
 
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23Stapscity said:
Well I meant in terms of how the force is viewed and moving away from the midochlorians
J.J. Abrams: Yes, and what I’m getting to is having said all that and meaning it — I don’t want to presume over-write or change what George says the rules are. I’m not someone who quite understands the science of the Force. To me Star Wars was never about science fiction — it was a spiritual story. And it was more of a fairytale in that regard. For me when I heard Obi-Wan say that the Force surrounds us and binds us all together, there was no judgement about who you were. This was something that we could all access. Being strong with the Force didn’t mean something scientific, it meant something spiritual. It meant someone who could believe, someone who could reach down to the depths of your feelings and follow this primal energy that was flowing through all of us. I mean, that’s what was said in that first film! And there I am sitting in the theater at almost 11 years old and that was a powerful notion. And I think this is what your point was, we would like to believe that when shyt gets serious, that you could harness that Force I was told surrounds not just some of us but every living thing. And so, I really feel like the assumption that any character needs to have inherited a certain number of midi-chlorians or needs to be part of a bloodline. It’s not that I don’t believe that as part of the canon, I’m just saying that at 11 years old, that wasn’t where my heart was. And so I respect and adhere to the canon but I also say that the Force has always seemed to me to be more inclusive and stronger than that.
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JJ is on some bullshyt with this one.

Jedi were always unique and elite, the force was never just open for everybody- that's why Vader sensed Luke, that's why the Emperor was so scared of Luke ("the son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi").

Also, "The force is strong in my family".

The idea that the force was selective came from the very first Star Wars movie, not midichlorians. "When shyt gets serious, you could harness the force" is some bullshyt and explains why Rey was doing what she was doing in Episode VII. In that sense he strayed further from the original movies than the prequels did.
 
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Darth Humanist said:
@Jax Can I start a Rogue One thread? Rogue One
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Do it
 
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