Star Wars The Force Awakens [SPOILERS] Thread: SPOILERS

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People criticizing the portrayal of Finn are jackasses.

1. Finn was the only one that said :pacspit: the first order.
2. He had the balls to help Poe escape.
3. Poe giving Finn his name isn't some slave master shyt. Finn was kidnapped as a child so he never remembered or knew his name. Would you rather he kept the serial number he had? Poe helped free Finn mentally.
4. All Finn knew was the first order so once he escaped OF COURSE he was going to act like a fish out of water.
5. Finn was the main one that helped bring down the first order.
6. Finn although took an L, went to toe to toe with Kylo Ren. He actually showed progression in the courage department.


The best part about this movie was how they showed the powers of the force. Either it evolved over the past 30 years OR it was heavily underutilized in the first 6 movies. Even in the final batter in Revenge of the Sith it wasn't even used. I also liked the dark and grit of how everything was filmed. For Star Wars I always wanted more Nolan dark filter Star Wars not the campy Star Wars. I hope they go darker for episode 8.

I get why they jacked a lot of new hope and return of the Jedi elements. It's as if they wanted the audience to know that while they are breaking away from the past, it's still going to be classic star wars.

I still think the movie was spoiled by the internet. I know it's a choice to search for content but that's human nature. Just think of how you would've felt at the end when Luke took his hoodie off not knowing he was in the movie.
 

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People didn't know anything and George Lucas and his trailers/posters didn't tell you anything and during the 1970's, it was COMMON for trailers or upcoming releases to give out detail about what's the movie is about. Lucas was one of the 1st, if not one of the very FIRST to not reveal anything prior to release of the film.. NOBODY had a clue what Star Wars was or anything specifically about that. But today, in a society that has the internet to leak almost anything and everything, you want to be MAD that JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy successfully disguised any DETAIL of the film. You really BELIEVE what they were showing you is in actual CONTEXT? Again, that is YOUR OWN DUMBASS FAULT.

And happy holidays to you. Because clearly you still believe in Santa or white Jesus because you seen it on pictures and books. Obviously you do since you wanted to believe Finn just because of what's shown in pictures and trailers. SMH.

His poster told me han solo had a blaster,princess leia had a blaster, luke skywalker had a blaster and a light saber. All true.
You told me the opposite to reach and looked stupid so we aren't reading anything else you type. Go drink that eggnog.

Does that poster say Star Wars the force awakens starring FINN THE BLACK JEDI ? And how was he demoted ?

moving goalpost again. ya'll don't get tired of that? name a non jedi wielding a light saber then show me their movie poster? Finn light saber pics are all throughout the other thread.

He took a back seat to Han Solo after he showed up and if you can't admit that then there's nothing else to be said.
 

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Black people would go see SW with or without John Boyega's Finn. I thought the young brother did a great job in the role and should be praised. I think the false advertising thing is real gripe but then again JJ is known to use diversionary tactics in his TV and film promotion strategy. I think as much as one could interpret Finn as a weak character, one could also interpret him as a nuanced character who has won some real internal battles and has much more room to grow. I know a love interest is being cast for him in the next film and Jedi don't have attachments as a rule. I think he will turn out to be the most interesting character in the saga.

the old jedi order had jedi with no attachments. we don't know if luke ever abided by that rule, especially now.
 

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the old jedi order had jedi with no attachments. we don't know if luke ever abided by that rule, especially now.
Exactly. And considering it played a role in their downfall it would probably be a good decision for the NJO to reevaluate its usefulness and change it.
 

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Finn - Star Wars: The Force Awakens
From the moment the original trailer debuted earlier this year, J.J. Abrams’ reboot of the "Star Wars" franchise, "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" for its new owner, Disney, stirred controversy and curiosity with the sudden entrance of a Black man into the middle of the screen. As racists choked the internet with hateful comments regarding the sudden appearance of a Black man as the first human image revealed in what would be the triumphant return of this beloved global film franchise, those "Star Wars" fans who happened to be Black reveled in anticipation for the character we now know as Finn who is performed by London-born actor of Nigerian descent, John Boyega.

As a franchise known primarily for its careful placement of Black token characters performed by recognizable Black actors like, Billy Dee Williams as Lando Cairissian in the original trilogy and Samuel L. Jackson as Jedi Master Mace Windu in the subsequent prequels trilogy, the original "The Force Awakens" trailer seemed to suggest that, with Disney’s 4 billion dollar purchase of the "Star Wars" franchise, and the coronation of J.J. Abrams (handpicked and lobbied for by none other than blockbuster wunderkind, Steven Spielberg himself) as the new director at the helm, these profound changes seemed to suggest that the "Star Wars" franchise would shift into a mode of greater diversity in regards to the race and gender of its principal characters than ever before.

But alas, a curious thing happened on the way to a galaxy far, far away… The character of Finn as the penultimate symbol of racial inclusiveness for this franchise reboot is knocked unconscious during a climactic battle scene in the final act of the film, and he remains unconscious for the rest of the film. While this is not the first, nor will it be the last time that a character has been held in abeyance at the end or the beginning of a series installment, whether knocked unconscious, frozen in “carbonite”, abandoned or running away to a hidden land, world or fortress, robotic parts separated and/or power disconnected - the unconsciousness of Finn throughout the final act of "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" as I shall discuss it here in this piece, reveals to us that, White Hollywood, as we near the beginning of the last year of Obama’s presidency, is ushering in a new and more powerful form of racial tokenism.

The Finn character, from the moment we saw him as the first image in the original trailer, to the moment he was knocked unconscious and remained unconscious throughout the final act of the film, is a manifestation of what I will call: Hyper- tokenism in the White film.

Hyper-tokenism in a White film can be defined as the marked increase in screen time, dramatic involvement and promotional images of a Black character in a White film, while simultaneously reserving full dramatic agency as the providence of White characters by the end of the film. (1)

Dramatic agency is measured by the ability of a character to change, influence, control and/or survive the circumstances within a story. White supremacy is maintained within a White film by the ability of a White character to change, influence, control and/or survive the circumstances within a story through the seduction of the spectator into not questioning this ability. The seduction of the spectator is primarily performed through costly CGI effects, high production values and skillful editing. (2)

If tokenism was an effective method of securing a Black audience for a single White film in the years before Obama’s presidency, then Hyper-tokenism is an effective method for securing a Black audience for a series of White films that are part of a film franchise during the Obama presidency.

Hyper-tokenism increases the profile of the Black character(s) within a White film with greater screen time, greater involvement with the circumstances, but – and this is very important - in the final act of the film, dramatic agency must be completely controlled by the White characters. Hyper-tokenism has a latent affect upon the consciousness of the Black spectator in that it allows the Black spectator to hope, imagine or believe that the Black character will be given more dramatic agency in the subsequent films of the franchise, and therefore secures Black viewer loyalty and Black money to fill the coffers of the White controlled studio with its massive profits gained from the reboot of beloved film franchises, like "Star Wars."

But the films in these franchises will remain White films.

In the context of the "Star Wars" franchise, full dramatic agency (the ability to influence, change, control and survive the dramatic circumstances within the story) is defined ultimately by a "selected" character's ability to wield "the force" by intuition or training - the decision to not give Finn this final defining characteristic forces (no pun intended) this character into a supporting role for the Whites who are wielding this power. But when we add the fact that Finn is rendered unconscious for the final act of the film (not even able to applaud the efforts of his White cohorts) it can be said that we were not really following the heroic exploits of the Finn character so much as we were being led "by the nose" as it were, to a point where dramatic agency is ultimately still the providence of the White characters in the film.

Thus, Finn is really a "hyper-token" given more screen time than usual for a token and a modicum of dramatic agency (as long as he is aiding those other non-black characters), but rendered useless in the final act of the film because the White filmmakers were not capable of sharing equal dramatic agency among the White and Black characters. The film still resolves itself upon the emotional circumstances of its White characters, while simultaneously holding Finn's circumstance in abeyance for yet another film where I would wager a similar manifestation of Hyper-tokenism will be followed. (3)

Another latent effect of Hyper-tokenism upon the consciousness of the Black spectator is that the White controlled studio can release tantalizing information concerning the future production of a singular film concentrating solely on the exploits or back-story of the Black character(s), release graphic novels that concentrate more on the Black character(s), or promise to increase the role or the roles of Black characters in subsequent films to keep the Black audience’s loyalty to the franchise, even as the subsequent films to be produced remain as White films.

Yet the most destructive aspect of Hyper-tokenism is not actually found within dramatic boundaries of the White films themselves, but instead in how Hyper-tokenism seduces the Black audience to remain loyal to White film franchises and White controlled film studios who are only exploiting that loyalty as a means of increasing the box office of their White films, with little to no intention of increasing the budgets, number of productions or worldwide distribution of Black films. Moreover, hyper-tokenism takes a toll on the creative consciousness of Black filmmakers and writers in the sense that it makes it even more difficult to breech the loyalty of the Black audience from White films that have Hyper-Tokens and get that Black audience to support Black films where Black characters can exercise full dramatic agency without the approval of White characters or the guidance of the "White Savior Trope."

The battle for racial inclusiveness and equality in the cinema begins and ends with the degree of dramatic agency that is shared among characters of different races and genders within a film’s story. Black representation in White film must not solely be based on the presence of a Black actor or actors within that White film, but instead we have to understand that it is the degree of dramatic agency that the Black character wields within the context of the White film that ultimately determines whether that Black actor is used as a token or as a fully realized dramatic entity.

A few other critics have noted the lack of dramatic agency of the Finn character in nominal configurations such as: his inability to comprehend “droid speak”, “Wookie speak” and other languages that come easily to the White characters; inability to pilot spacecraft; lack of weapons knowledge even though he was a Stormtrooper; and finally his lack of knowledge of “the resistance” when in fact as a Stormtrooper he would have known whom the Empire considered its enemies. These nominal inabilities are contradicted by Finn’s ability to wield a light saber with no training; his courage in various battles; his decision to leave the Empire; his choice to return to participate with the rebels of the resistance.

The pointing out of such contradictions in the consistency and the ability of the Black character to wield dramatic agency in a White film is often seen as “nit-picking” from loyal fans - both White and Black - of a White franchise film because, as long as the film ends with full White dramatic agency, there is less spectator investment in questioning the loose ends or the problematic construction of the Black hyper-token. The White filmmakers have the noblesse oblige to say to Black critics, ”Hey, be glad that we even cast a Black in this film,” and Black loyal fans can say, ”Thank you for casting one of us,” by their ticket purchases, glowing reviews and repeat viewings.

One could say that the age of the Hyper-Token Black character in a White film franchise (and even the cable television series) is a consequence of the Obama presidency. Those liberal Whites who voted for Obama, of which many Hollywood studio execs, White writers, directors and producers are a part, could no longer justify the lack of diversity in their films with their "supposed" racial tolerance. But these liberal Whites cannot and will not concede full dramatic agency to a Black character, and nor will they share that agency equally between White and Black characters in a film; the Hyper-Token Black character is the compromise position that allows the White filmmakers the ability to feign racial diversity and tolerance, while retaining White control over the dramatic agency in a series of films.

But much like how the election and reelection of Barack Obama as the nation’s first Black president can do nothing to stem the violent injustices against Blacks around the country by law enforcement, racist terrorists, ineffectual Grand Juries, blind-eye prosecutors, hung juries and other sundry inequalities - because in the final act, Whites can insure that they can influence, change, control and survive the circumstances of their perfidy - so also is this political condition reflected within White controlled filmed entertainment as dramatic agency that supports a White supremacist illusion of dominance.

The need to “Make America Great Again” as Trump’s campaign slogan tells his White male supporters is really a discrete code to “Make America White Again” by returning the Hyper-Token Black male in the form of Barak Obama back to his subordinate place in the domestic and global racial hierarchy. That "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" ends with a powerful White female returning a legendary light saber to an aged and seasoned Luke Skywalker, fulfills the both the slogan and the code in the minds of those spectators of a return to greatness as a return to Whiteness (read: White male hetero-normativity).

As the force awakens, it is no surprise that the Black man within the film remains unconscious during the final act because, in many ways, the Black man watching the White film is unconscious also…

But is he content to remain so?

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If I don't know ANYTHING about Star Wars...which I don't (never got into it like that), would this movie be easy to follow?

Want to watch it as I've heard it's amazing regardless...just don't want to be scratching my head
 

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I read that article and am not buying it. Finn is a good character. Should they have re
Remember those Red Guards from RTOJ that protected the Emperor? I want to know what their back story is. Those guards in the Red armor were always hardbody to me.
They were blue senate guards in ep. I. We never get to see them fight in the first 6 films but I remember battling them on the Return of the Jedi game for either Genesis or SNES and they had a bad as point stick and would slide at you and fukk you up.
 

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If I don't know ANYTHING about Star Wars...which I don't (never got into it like that), would this movie be easy to follow?

Want to watch it as I've heard it's amazing regardless...just don't want to be scratching my head
Yeah it's easy to follow. You might want to watch the original Star Wars first so you know who Luke, Han Solo, Princess Leia and Darth Vader are while learning a little about The Force and the Jedi. If you know who they are then you will have no confusion. You could just in cold but you might wonder why the aforementioned characters are so important.

Just take your ColiMilitant hat off and enjoy the ride.
 

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If I don't know ANYTHING about Star Wars...which I don't (never got into it like that), would this movie be easy to follow?

Want to watch it as I've heard it's amazing regardless...just don't want to be scratching my head

Watch the originals this movies starts 30 years after the end of episode 6.... :ld:
 

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I'm watching the TFA torrent and after Maz says "whoever you're waiting for on Jakku they're never coming back...but there's someone who still could", Rey whispers "Luke". :ohhh: :ohhh:

Also when the Starkiller base fires and it shows Finn there is the voices of the people in the Hosnian system and he turns around distressed to see it. He's obviously force sensitive.
 
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I'm watching the TFA torrent and after Maz says "whoever you're waiting for on Jakku they're never coming back...but there's someone who still could", Rey whispers "Luke". :ohhh: :ohhh:

Also when the Starkiller base fires and it shows Finn there is the voices of the people in the Hosnian system and he turns around distressed to see it. He's obviously force sensitive.
What do you think the bold means?:patrice:
 
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