World building in ANH? HAHAHA. Sorry, but that movie was vague and never explained anything. That is one of the big criticisms(and points of praise) for ANH. Lots of purposeful mystery. J.J. mentioned in several interviewed that he wanted to just go in and have everything tidy and explained, but was reminded by Kasdan and his study of Lucas that the audience needed to be trusted. We knew nothing about Dantoine, Yavin IV. Not really much about the Death Star. Pacing in ANH? The movie that almost every criticism complains about how slow the middle 3rd of the movie is? The Empire was left pretty vague. We've learned more in 2 seasons of Rebels than we ever knew in the OT. And I love the OT.
I'm confused about what you mean with Rey. She's no different than Anakin. You don't need to see how she got to Jakku to understand her motivations. We see in the vision that she is left with the big dude crying while someone goes away. As miserable as it is on Jakku, she feels like the best way to find her family is to wait for them. This is a plot often used (and in real life) where children and even dogs wait in one spot, fearing if they leave, they will miss out on who left them. That's her connection. That's her reluctance. No different than Anakin fearing leaving his mother despite all the fearlessness and ability to fix, fly, fight or whatever.
I'm in total disagreement with Finn. Finn made this movie move. His motivation was to get as far away from the First Order as he could. Once he met and liked Rey, he wanted her to come with him. Dude was even just going to leave without her. I'm surprised. I didn't feel like he was a sidekick at all. I kept expecting Will Smith in MIB. I was expecting Finn to follow Rey around. He didn't follow her around. He escaped with her. When he had the chance to run, he wanted her to come with him. They found friends (or more) in each other and didn't abandon each other. Sidekicks are Robin. There was no following each other in this movie. Kind of hard to have ever been a sidekick in this. What was the bumbling? Because a monster grabbed him? Dude fought fiercely even when he had no chance. He had skills with a blaster. There was nothing funny, weak or bumbling about the lightsaber fight. The funny thing is, almost all of his scenes were some sort of tribute to a scene with Han or Luke. Sorry, but I'm not on team jobber anymore. Yall are looking hard for something that just wasn't there. Trust me, I went in there with the mean mug, looking for it.
Agree on Kylo. Great character.
If Snoke was a waste, The emperor was a waste in the ANH and Empire. We knew nothing about him or what exactly he was about until ESB. People forget that.
It sounds like you wanted them to explain everything, when J.J. specifically talked about how ANH explicitly did not explain the Star Wars world to us. Listening to a radio broadcast at the theater from a local station, there was a review from a producer that had never seen Star Wars. His review for ANH sounded like your review here. He said nothing was explained. He said, if ANH was a standalone movie it explained nothing or why some of these people were doing things. Then he said he realized these motivations, explanations etc after watching the other two, then further with the prequels. Its funny, he even thought Luke was too vague and where were his parents, etc. Why could Luke fly an X-wing? I'm glad JJ took that route. Nothing more annoying to me than outright explaining everything. Watch The Phantom Menace and notice how they explain every damn thing. Even calling out planet names as they approach and what's going on, on that planet. They even spell out Anakin on his trip to Coruscant and when facing Yoda. On some of the edits they cut out some of that and it makes the movie more natural. A lot of things are explained in casual conversation later on in the trilogy. I actually feel like great care was taken in this regard. Show me instead of just telling me, and you don't necessarily have to tell me now. Tell it in the context of the trilogy. IF this is like the OT, we will learn a lot in the next movie
I'm confused about what you mean with Rey. She's no different than Anakin. You don't need to see how she got to Jakku to understand her motivations. We see in the vision that she is left with the big dude crying while someone goes away. As miserable as it is on Jakku, she feels like the best way to find her family is to wait for them. This is a plot often used (and in real life) where children and even dogs wait in one spot, fearing if they leave, they will miss out on who left them. That's her connection. That's her reluctance. No different than Anakin fearing leaving his mother despite all the fearlessness and ability to fix, fly, fight or whatever.
I'm in total disagreement with Finn. Finn made this movie move. His motivation was to get as far away from the First Order as he could. Once he met and liked Rey, he wanted her to come with him. Dude was even just going to leave without her. I'm surprised. I didn't feel like he was a sidekick at all. I kept expecting Will Smith in MIB. I was expecting Finn to follow Rey around. He didn't follow her around. He escaped with her. When he had the chance to run, he wanted her to come with him. They found friends (or more) in each other and didn't abandon each other. Sidekicks are Robin. There was no following each other in this movie. Kind of hard to have ever been a sidekick in this. What was the bumbling? Because a monster grabbed him? Dude fought fiercely even when he had no chance. He had skills with a blaster. There was nothing funny, weak or bumbling about the lightsaber fight. The funny thing is, almost all of his scenes were some sort of tribute to a scene with Han or Luke. Sorry, but I'm not on team jobber anymore. Yall are looking hard for something that just wasn't there. Trust me, I went in there with the mean mug, looking for it.
Agree on Kylo. Great character.
If Snoke was a waste, The emperor was a waste in the ANH and Empire. We knew nothing about him or what exactly he was about until ESB. People forget that.
It sounds like you wanted them to explain everything, when J.J. specifically talked about how ANH explicitly did not explain the Star Wars world to us. Listening to a radio broadcast at the theater from a local station, there was a review from a producer that had never seen Star Wars. His review for ANH sounded like your review here. He said nothing was explained. He said, if ANH was a standalone movie it explained nothing or why some of these people were doing things. Then he said he realized these motivations, explanations etc after watching the other two, then further with the prequels. Its funny, he even thought Luke was too vague and where were his parents, etc. Why could Luke fly an X-wing? I'm glad JJ took that route. Nothing more annoying to me than outright explaining everything. Watch The Phantom Menace and notice how they explain every damn thing. Even calling out planet names as they approach and what's going on, on that planet. They even spell out Anakin on his trip to Coruscant and when facing Yoda. On some of the edits they cut out some of that and it makes the movie more natural. A lot of things are explained in casual conversation later on in the trilogy. I actually feel like great care was taken in this regard. Show me instead of just telling me, and you don't necessarily have to tell me now. Tell it in the context of the trilogy. IF this is like the OT, we will learn a lot in the next movie
to some, but that seemed so intentional to have her not kiss Finn on the lips right there so as to not repeat what Leia and Luke kissing from the OT. Plus its interesting to me that both Rey & Finn seem to have a similar story when it comes to their parents...Finn even mentioned being taken away from a family he never knew, and Rey whose parents left her on Jakku. Luke may be their father, but who is their mother(s)? Perhaps as kids Rey & Finn (along with Kylo/Ben) were Luke's apprentices
Would rather have them in one place than searching through the thread each time or bookmarking them
