Star Wars heads, Did Mace Windu legit defeat Sidious...Or was Palpatine faking?

[Atsym Sknyfs]

Actually Obi does go for the Kill, when he's angry of course:

and thats why he almost got killed ... he rushed maul and almost paid for it

 

[Master Teacher]

Speaking of Qui-Gon, I actually think Anakin's downfall had a lot to do with his death. Had Qui-gon lived, I think Anakin would of never went to the Darkside. Anakin needed a father figure to train him. Obi treated Anakin like he was a little brother and Anakin needed Discipline, not a friend.

main reasons prequel sucks as well as star wars s because Qui-gon should have been Obi-wan the entire time. He should've been the one to find anakin, not sitting on the ship holding his dikk, until qui gon shows back up.
the original it says yoda trained obi wan so why the fukk did he need to make up a whole need character.

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

they answered that by having yoda train ALL the younglings...so technically yoda trained ben... but also at the end of ROTS yoda tells ben he has some training for him..

Now that I will say was a BS move by lucas

 

[Rapmastermind]

main reasons prequel sucks as well as star wars s because Qui-gon should have been Obi-wan the entire time. He should've been the one to find anakin, not sitting on the ship holding his dikk, until qui gon shows back up.
the original it says yoda trained obi wan so why the fukk did he need to make up a whole need character.

Well Lucas needed a wise Jedi character in the prequels cause Obi was really young then. Actually Technically Yoda still trained Obi cause he was still only in his "Trails" phase when Qui-Gon died. So though Obi had Anakin under his wing, he was still being Trained by Yoda also. This is why I felt Yoda or Mace should of trained Anakin cause Obi was being trained himself during the process. He wasn't a full blown Jedi master until "Episode II' time 10 years after Qui-gon died.

 

[Art Barr]

Right but he didn't tell Luke to see Yoda until years later during "Empire Strikes Back" which took place 3 years after "A New Hope". I think his plan was to wait till Luke was old enough and Him and Luke were going to Face Vader and the Emperor. But once he saw Vader on the Death Star, he said F*ck it and became one with force and sent Luke to Yoda. It was Luke's fault he didn't finish his training.

quite possibly,...imo, and speculation
...the so-called prophecy, and the origins of the midi-chlorians being sith based became apparent to obi won.
as he tapped into the force, and was about to dissipate his physical form.
also, the skywalker clone was built off of dark sith lord midi-chlorian manipulation.
coupled with a deep emotional loss solidifying their allegiance to which side of the force.
they would align with an bring purpose.
so, i also think obi won knew from watching annie's demise to emotion, and manipulation.
on two separate occassions as far as annie's loss of his mother.
to annie's emotional manipulation of amidala's demise, and pal coupled together.
could aid obi won with luke to unite with the light side.
if, luke saw obi won succumb visually to vader.
which is why obi won was like i have become more powerful than you can dream vader.
as obi won used vader in a two pronged attack.
one by uniting with the force to dissipate to the force.
plus, giving luke a unifying purpose to the light side of the force.
by watching obi won succumb to vader visually, and then using sith lord midi-chlorian clone emotion.
to sway a sith based high level midi-chlorian clone.
to unite with the light side of the force to take out a sith lord.
as real talk,....it appears a real high level dark sith lord can only be killed by another sith lord creation.

pal killed his master, and vader killed his master.
whereas vader was only swayed to take out pal.
from the emotion of seeing luke in danger, and reacted to sacrifice himself and kill pal.
while leaving behind a legacy with luke.

this happenstance of emotion never existed.
in obi won's and annie's original jedi training or allegiance.
which, is also,..why annie was so easily manipulated by pal.
to throw away his experience on the light side, like it never even occurred.
whereas since luke was an offspring of the darkside of the force.
he had that parrallel of needing an emotional situation to align with a side of the force.
this same emotional situation in the loss of mara.
eventually, this happenstance of heavy emotion.
also, lead to luke succumbing to the darkside in the darkhorse comic, too.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

@Art Barr ... i dont feel like quoting that ....

Obi Wan's style was a defensive style.. he wasnt a go for the kill guy.. it was always defense and if teh blow kills then it kills... Ben told Anakin dont jumped .. anakin jumped and got his legs cut off.
When ben was hanging in ep 1 ... he made a defensing move and hey he killed maul...
his fight with grievese was defensive ..

A good defense can always stop a good offense

oh, i agree,...
as any combat based confrontation against an equal.
is going to always boil down to defense and counter in the fray.
which is why i say obi won was the best.
as, he handled the situations of combat, and any variables in environment and circumstance better than any other jedi.

he was never swayed from his end game, in combat.
other jedi's on the light and dark side were bested or completely outmatched, in combat.

obi won, was never bested in any manner of the other jedi's in combat, at all.
even when he was a squire, to qui gon, and bested maul.

incomparison to yoda versus pal and even mace versus pal.
both let variables such as surroundings or power level make them succumb in combat.
whereas, despite whatever variables obi won encountered from surroundings or circumstance.
obi won always bested his competition to achieve his exact goal in combat.

yoda never achieved his exact goal in combat versus pal.
which was to take out pal...he was forced to flee and hide.
plus, was at a disadvantage because of surroundings.
whereas obi won, in a disadvantage based on surroundings, never faltered from his goal in combat.
obi won's goal in combat versus vader was to get luke's emotion to sway him to the light side.
so, he achieved in combat what was needed to ultimately win.
whereas yoda, was actually bested and run off, into complete hiding.
as opposed to obi won, who kept his traditional jedi look, and was in plain site.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

and thats why he almost got killed ... he rushed maul and almost paid for it

he assailed to jedi from that battle because he learned his most valuable lesson.
which was what previously kept him in actual combat from being a full fledged jedi.
in that battle he was autonomous to the situation and fixed his previous inexperienced mistakes on the fly.
which was his only barrier to being a full fledged jedi.

so, in that battle he learned, ramped up and bested.
plus, did away with his previous poorly skilled incarnation that would have typically gotten him killed.
that is why he was a master jedi after that confrontation.
not just because he bested maul.



art barr

 

[Rapmastermind]

quite possibly,...imo, and speculation
...the so-called prophecy, and the origins of the midi-chlorians being sith based became apparent to obi won.
as he tapped into the force, and was about to dissipate his physical form.
also, the skywalker clone was built off of dark sith lord midi-chlorian manipulation.
coupled with a deep emotional loss solidifying their allegiance to which side of the force.
they would align with an bring purpose.
so, i also think obi won knew from watching annie's demise to emotion, and manipulation.
on two separate occassions as far as annie's loss of his mother.
to annie's emotional manipulation of amidala's demise, and pal coupled together.
could aid obi won with luke to unite with the light side.
if, luke saw obi won succumb visually to vader.
which is why obi won was like i have become more powerful than you can dream vader.
as obi won used vader in a two pronged attack.
one by uniting with the force to dissipate to the force.
plus, giving luke a unifying purpose to the light side of the force.
by watching obi won succumb to vader visually, and then using sith lord midi-chlorian clone emotion.
to sway a sith based high level midi-chlorian clone.
to unite with the light side of the force to take out a sith lord.
as real talk,....it appears a real high level dark sith lord can only be killed by another sith lord creation.

pal killed his master, and vader killed his master.
whereas vader was only swayed to take out pal.
from the emotion of seeing luke in danger, and reacted to sacrifice himself and kill pal.
while leaving behind a legacy with luke.

this happenstance of emotion never existed.
in obi won's and annie's original jedi training or allegiance.
which, is also,..why annie was so easily manipulated by pal.
to throw away his experience on the light side, like it never even occurred.
whereas since luke was an offspring of the darkside of the force.
he had that parrallel of needing an emotional situation to align with a side of the force.
this same emotional situation in the loss of mara.
eventually, this happenstance of heavy emotion.
also, lead to luke succumbing to the darkside in the darkhorse comic, too.


art barr

Well said. Luke seeing Obi die made him forever on the Light side of the force. He even would rather commit suicide than join the dark side (Falling to his death in Empire but saved by the force anyway). Luke did a use a little dark side in the Vader fight (His anger) in the same way Obi did in the Maul fight.

 

[Bomberman]

I think Yoda was slightly behind Mace in terms of pure lightsaber combat.

"Six there were for generations of Jedi. The seventh, is not well-known. Powerful form it is. Deadliest of all. But dangerous it is, for its master as well as its opponent. Few have studied. One student alone, to mastery has risen."
―Yoda[src]

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber_combat

Very fun to learn about the different forms in the Star Wars universe.

Mace bodied Darth Sidious and Sidious knew he was outmatched. However Sidious was also aware he had a trump card due to the knowing he'd be able to blindside Mace. Simple as that imo.

 

[Rapmastermind]

I'm very excited to see what new Jedi order Luke has in "Episode VII" and how he will "Pass on what you learned" as Yoda told him. Will he follow the old teachings of the Jedi? or update them?:

 

[Art Barr]

if you go to the 5.15 mark.
pal tells annie of the ability of obi won to cheat death that obi won has achieved.
plus, tells him he could also achieve the same type of power and connection to the force obi won had achieved.
so, it seems pal knew of obi won actual achievement in the force.
long before annie's final battle with obi won.
further giving more evidence that obi won was the prospectively the most powerful jedi.
as the sith were confused on what immortal life was, as it pertained to the light side of the force.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

I think Yoda was slightly behind Mace in terms of pure lightsaber combat.


http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber_combat

Very fun to learn about the different forms in the Star Wars universe.

Mace bodied Darth Sidious and Sidious knew he was outmatched. However Sidious was also aware he had a trump card due to the knowing he'd be able to blindside Mace. Simple as that imo.

before the loss of mace you could say mace was the best in combat.
after, watching the conflict of mace versus pal.
for the first time in a long ass time.
mace was able to force pal to lose his grip on his youth through the force.
plus, if annie was never there.
mace would have easily bested pal, with ease.
regardless of pal's ability to channel the force into concussive electrical blasts as well.
to the point, mace was able to use that power on pal, in combat against him.
then, drain pal of the ability to change his form back.
to, almost near death from wasting himself.
or being completely smite down by lightsaber.

also, it is funny because every one who is one with the force.
to use that spin attack or even higher electrical manipulation of the force.
always actually seems inferior in real combat versus a master jedi.
with a just plain what i guess we could call a turtle attack like street fighter the video game.
yoda used spin attacks and was bested by pal.
yet, mace was able to just turtle with no flying spin attack and take out pal damn near with ease.
so, it seems the jedi's and sith who have that higher level of attacks.
to use force manipulation, to do spin attacks and force projections like dooku, yoda and pal.
does not make them the actual best fighter in real combat, with a lightsaber.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

I'm very excited to see what new Jedi order Luke has in "Episode VII" and how he will "Pass on what you learned" as Yoda told him. Will he follow the old teachings of the Jedi? or update them?:

granted my reading of the books kinda stops in intermittent gaps from the thrawn, to the darkhorse series.
to luke and mara, and luke's tutelage of chewie's son, and han and luke's twin.
to when, the twins, and chewie's son get their crystal and build their light sabre's.
i hope this film series deals with the twin's and their dark side/light side struggles.
plus, the eventual hero being who i hope it becomes.
as far as the twins are concerned.
without straying to far from the books and the darkhorse series.
especially the darkhorse series,..as it was expertly done.
plus, when sci-fi franchises stray from the darkhorse comix series like aliens.
they completely lose me and their quality dips to oh hell nah levels of bullshyt.
if they deviate to far from the darkhorse comix series.




art barr

 

[Bomberman]

before the loss of mace you could say mace was the best in combat.
after, watching the conflict of mace versus pal.
for the first time in a long ass time.
mace was able to force pal to lose his grip on his youth through the force.
plus, if annie was never there.
mace would have easily bested pal, with ease.
regardless of pal's ability to channel the force into concussive electrical blasts as well.
to the point, mace was able to use that power on pal, in combat against him.
then, drain pal of the ability to change his form back.
to, almost near death from wasting himself.
or being completely smite down by lightsaber.

also, it is funny because every one who is one with the force.
to use that spin attack or even higher electrical manipulation of the force.
always actually seems inferior in real combat versus a master jedi.
with a just plain what i guess we could call a turtle attack like street fighter the video game.
yoda used spin attacks and was bested by pal.
yet, mace was able to just turtle with no flying spin attack and take out pal damn near with ease.
so, it seems the jedi's and sith who have that higher level of attacks.
to use force manipulation, to do spin attacks and force projections like dooku, yoda and pal.
does not make them the actual best fighter in real combat, with a lightsaber.


art barr

Also through lore keep in mind that Mace was a master of all forms of Lightsaber combat and created his own form. If he wanted to he could fight like Palp and Yoda as well, but his style he made blends textbook skill, killer instinct, unpredictability and unconventional approach into an effective application.

 

[Poppa_Dock]

Also through lore keep in mind that Mace was a master of all forms of Lightsaber combat and created his own form. If he wanted to he could fight like Palp and Yoda as well, but his style he made blends textbook skill, killer instinct, unpredictability and unconventional approach into an effective application.

this is why i hate star wars. You would have never known mace windu was a goon with the lightsaber. George Lucas is fukking terrible

the best scene in the entire shyt is the scenes with darth maul rofl

have a story about the universe fighting in a massive galactic war but make it campy and stupid brahs