Standing of the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan in the black community

[outordinary]

Well that is good for them but our black leaders have been c00nin for some time...I respect the progress that the NOI strive for but I just disagree with some of their teachings. I would work with them if it beneficial but I am not about to blindly support groups just because they are black. That's what got our people in the mess we in right now...allowing people to lead us into burning buildings.

I'll address the bolded in your post first, the reason our people is in a complete mess right now at the root, is because of white supremacy and the evils that come with it. Its the mortal enemy of black people and its what is creating all of the mess we are in, any of our own people leading others into burning buildings as you say is just a subsection of the results of white supremacy and its attack on the black race.

Mortal enemy meaning they want us DESTROYED, not just separated, not moved to africa or some shyt, they want us GONE. There are many ways this is done, separating us is just one of the ways to make it easier since having blacks together means trouble. The best thing they could have right now, is us separated from EVERY group that could truly reveal all the tricks and lies to our own. Just by believing some of the teachings and applying them to your life helps.

I've listened to lectures from some major members and some messages from smaller members for a few months now. I can tell you I agree with a lot of their teachings because I am very analytical and can do hard searching. One person may not be able to explain what they mean all the way especially if they have a lot to say. I search for other members that may go more in depth in teachings to learn more.

Tell me what teachings you disagree with sir . NOTING THAT THEY MENTION YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ISLAM AS A RELIGION.

Is·lam
(ĭs-läm′, -lăm′, ĭz-, ĭs′läm′, ĭz′-)n.
1. A monotheistic religion characterized by the doctrine of absolute submission to God and by reverence for Muhammad as the chief and last prophet of God.

That is the part they focus on, the submission to god which comes with Christianity even though some people act wild outside the church. Many members mention this. I'm going to assume you may have listened to some lectures in full or looked at what some of their achievements are in terms of capital and changing of people

 

[A Different Narrative]

I'll address the bolded in your post first, the reason our people is in a complete mess right now at the root, is because of white supremacy and the evils that come with it. Its the mortal enemy of black people and its what is creating all of the mess we are in, any of our own people leading others into burning buildings as you say is just a subsection of the results of white supremacy and its attack on the black race.

Mortal enemy meaning they want us DESTROYED, not just separated, not moved to africa or some shyt, they want us GONE. There are many ways this is done, separating us is just one of the ways to make it easier since having blacks together means trouble. The best thing they could have right now, is us separated from EVERY group that could truly reveal all the tricks and lies to our own. Just by believing some of the teachings and applying them to your life helps.

I've listened to lectures from some major members and some messages from smaller members for a few months now. I can tell you I agree with a lot of their teachings because I am very analytical and can do hard searching. One person may not be able to explain what they mean all the way especially if they have a lot to say. I search for other members that may go more in depth in teachings to learn more.

Tell me what teachings you disagree with sir . NOTING THAT THEY MENTION YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ISLAM AS A RELIGION.

Is·lam
(ĭs-läm′, -lăm′, ĭz-, ĭs′läm′, ĭz′-)n.
1. A monotheistic religion characterized by the doctrine of absolute submission to God and by reverence for Muhammad as the chief and last prophet of God.

That is the part they focus on, the submission to god which comes with Christianity even though some people act wild outside the church. Many members mention this. I'm going to assume you may have listened to some lectures in full or looked at what some of their achievements are in terms of capital and changing of people

It has less to do with the members and more to do with Farrakhan...I just remember watching some of his speeches some of the stuff he talks about I agree with (I will admit that) but there are things I disagree with. Which is why I said don't blindly support things...I know what you mean although I consider Jewish Supremacy to be more of a threat than White Supremacy (Demokkkrats... the wolves in sheep clothing) although both work hand in hand with each other.

One of the problems I have with some of the things in the black community is that some Jewish cac always have their hands in the cookie jar...some of these black leaders refuse to tell the whole truth about the problems in our communities. Or maybe they just don't know...I pay attention to the funding and how certain things originated...that's what black people have to watch out for..

 

[outordinary]

It has less to do with the members and more to do with Farrakhan...I just remember watching some of his speeches some of the stuff he talks about I agree with (I will admit that) but there are things I disagree with. Which is why I said don't blindly support things...I know what you mean although I consider Jewish Supremacy to be more of a threat than White Supremacy (Demokkkrats... the wolves in sheep clothing) although both work hand in hand with each other.

One of the problems I have with some of the things in the black community is that some Jewish cac always have their hands in the cookie jar...some of these black leaders refuse to tell the whole truth about the problems in our communities. Or maybe they just don't know...I pay attention to the funding and how certain things originated...that's what black people have to watch out for..

The root of it all is white supremacy, you cannot destroy a tree simply cutting off the limbs, you have to take down the root. Farrakhan does explain that there are EVIL jews out there and there are GOOD jews. The ones that are JewISH which indicate that they only relate to jews, are the evil ones which are part of the Jewish Supremacy which is actually a branch of the White Supremacy.

Our community does have a deep problem with trusting any cacs in general. Not that there is a problem with all cacs, but it is a problem when they blindly allow WS to run rampant without truly wanting to do away with it. You mention that the black leaders either refuse to tell the truth or just don't know. The answer is both and I can say that for a fact. You have to realize that the bible mentions that we are a DEAD people, as in dead of the mind. Some grow up never learning about what is the roots of our problems and some learn a little of it but are too ignorant to realize that its the actual truth so they don't say anything.

Absolutely correct on the funding and such too. It's sad that the NOI isn't the first thing we learn about. Christianity is made to fail us so that we distrust anything that comes after. Either that or you stay in the religion and just get holy on sunday and sin every other day as it is in the world.

One other thing, I'm not even in the NOI, I've just watched so much while being on deployment now and learned so much. You really see things different once you leave the US and see the world.

 

[RAX 010]

I agree

 

[Mowgli]

Light skinned nikkas took over, farrakhan said he was part jewish, dianetics and it was a wrap

 

[outordinary]

Light skinned nikkas took over, farrakhan said he was part jewish, dianetics and it was a wrap

Don't know about that, all three of them youtube channels which are my favorite channels have light and darkskin brehs winning. They got healthy family units, clean outlooks, a religion that is practiced in their lives instead of every sunday. If you really looked at the NOI, you would see black people of all colors in there.

I never heard anything about him being part jewish or what that would even mean if it was true since I mentioned there are good jews and bad jews. Unless you mean that once the media got things they could blow up into some slander that it was a wrap.

In that case, I wouldn't say so, to this day people still go to the NOI study groups and such and are joining. They seem to be doing well even if most of our race are still dead knowledge wise.

 

[outordinary]

I do want to ask, why do some of you look to find the few things that the media try their hardest to blow up on? You know the media won't report on anything unless its going to further WS in some way. There aren't many people focusing on the fact that the NOI helps to give knowledge of self, much more knowledge than you would EVER get in schools and colleges or spiritual knowledge of self than what you hear in the christian church.

The most you hear from schools is that white people found our ass in africa, trying to make us sound like we were living like animals or some shyt. The christian church is out trying to get us to worship a white jesus when the bible describes a black man

At least the NOI teaches you more about black history than other places that say we just were slaves and nothing else. At least it has jesus as a black man and us as the Original man. All self love in the NOI.

Do come with your best shots though I made this thread mostly to see what the public opinion is on the nation and if its a bad opinion, tell what I've found so far. Anyone who sees this please, feel free to discuss.

 

[thewarrior05]

I do want to ask, why do some of you look to find the few things that the media try their hardest to blow up on? You know the media won't report on anything unless its going to further WS in some way. There aren't many people focusing on the fact that the NOI helps to give knowledge of self, much more knowledge than you would EVER get in schools and colleges or spiritual knowledge of self than what you hear in the christian church.

The most you hear from schools is that white people found our ass in africa, trying to make us sound like we were living like animals or some shyt. The christian church is out trying to get us to worship a white jesus when the bible describes a black man

At least the NOI teaches you more about black history than other places that say we just were slaves and nothing else. At least it has jesus as a black man and us as the Original man. All self love in the NOI.

Do come with your best shots though I made this thread mostly to see what the public opinion is on the nation and if its a bad opinion, tell what I've found so far. Anyone who sees this please, feel free to discuss.

The thing is NOI teach some of the truth but not the whole truth and personally I don't like how the did maclom. White people as evil as they are would have never killed such a great leader who was giving his who life for them and just wanted help his people.

 

[Mowgli]

Don't know about that, all three of them youtube channels which are my favorite channels have light and darkskin brehs winning. They got healthy family units, clean outlooks, a religion that is practiced in their lives instead of every sunday. If you really looked at the NOI, you would see black people of all colors in there.

I never heard anything about him being part jewish or what that would even mean if it was true since I mentioned there are good jews and bad jews. Unless you mean that once the media got things they could blow up into some slander that it was a wrap.

In that case, I wouldn't say so, to this day people still go to the NOI study groups and such and are joining. They seem to be doing well even if most of our race are still dead knowledge wise.

I still tune in for saviors day n all that but I think that whole dianetics thing being mandatory hurt the brand.

One thing you dont see are NOI members ending up as police brutality victims.

 

[outordinary]

The thing is NOI teach some of the truth but not the whole truth and personally I don't like how the did maclom. White people as evil as they are would have never killed such a great leader who was giving his who life for them and just wanted help his people.

Nah this isn't enough, i gotta hit you with the

I still tune in for saviors day n all that but I think that whole dianetics thing being mandatory hurt the brand.

One thing you dont see are NOI members ending up as police brutality victims.

I really don't get how others would think it would hurt it, If the NOI is about trying to repair the damage done to black minds and it's a DEEP damage done over 400 years. I don't think its emphasized enough how much damage it is.

Take it like this, a search for the length of a generation will say the highest is 40 years. 400/40 is 10 GENERATIONS, that's 10 generations of VERY long lasting damage. The NOI is interested in trying ANY way they can to reverse the damage. Just knowing that actually strengthens my trust for the NOI. Don't you all think members are probably also thinking "Dianetics, what type of shyt is that?" "Well, if it helps get my brothers and sisters stronger by removing the damage done, I'm all for it".

If that isn't love for your fellow race, I don't know what is

In the meantime, I should post some of what the nations goals are.



1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.

2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or class or colour.

3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society.

4. We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own–either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years – until we are able to produce and supply our own needs. Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own.

5. We want freedom for all Believers of Islam now held in federal prisons. We want freedom for all Black men and women now under death sentence in innumerable prisons in the North as well as the South. We want every Black man and woman to have the freedom to accept or reject being separated from the slave master’s children and establish a land of their own. We know that the above plan for the solution of the Black and white conflict is the best and only answer to the problem between two people.

6. We want an immediate end to the police brutality and mob attacks against the so-called Negro throughout the United States. We believe that the Federal government should intercede to see that Black men and women tried in white courts receive justice in accordance with the laws of the land–or allow us to build a new nation for ourselves, dedicated to justice, freedom and liberty.

7. As long as we are not allowed to establish a state or territory of our own, we demand not only equal justice under the laws of the United States, but equal employment opportunities–NOW! We do not believe that after 400 years of free or nearly free labour, sweat and blood, which has helped America become rich and powerful, so many thousands of Black people should have to subsist on relief or charity or live in poor houses.

8. We want the government of the United States to exempt our people from ALL taxation as long as we are deprived of equal justice under the laws of the land.

9. We want equal education–but separate schools up to 16 for boys and 18 for girls on the condition that the girls be sent to women’s colleges and universities. We want all Black children educated, taught and trained by their own teachers. Under such schooling system we believe we will make a better nation of people. The United States government should provide, free, all necessary text books and equipment, schools and college buildings. The Muslim teachers shall be left free to teach and train their people in the way of righteousness, decency and self respect.

10. We want the religion of Islam taught without hindrance or suppression.

 

[thewarrior05]

Nah this isn't enough, i gotta hit you with the



I really don't get how others would think it would hurt it, If the NOI is about trying to repair the damage done to black minds and it's a DEEP damage done over 400 years. I don't think its emphasized enough how much damage it is.

Take it like this, a search for the length of a generation will say the highest is 40 years. 400/40 is 10 GENERATIONS, that's 10 generations of VERY long lasting damage. The NOI is interested in trying ANY way they can to reverse the damage. Just knowing that actually strengthens my trust for the NOI. Don't you all think members are probably also thinking "Dianetics, what type of shyt is that?" "Well, if it helps get my brothers and sisters stronger by removing the damage done, I'm all for it".

If that isn't love for your fellow race, I don't know what is

In the meantime, I should post some of what the nations goals are.



1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.

2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or class or colour.

3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society.

4. We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own–either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years – until we are able to produce and supply our own needs. Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own.

5. We want freedom for all Believers of Islam now held in federal prisons. We want freedom for all Black men and women now under death sentence in innumerable prisons in the North as well as the South. We want every Black man and woman to have the freedom to accept or reject being separated from the slave master’s children and establish a land of their own. We know that the above plan for the solution of the Black and white conflict is the best and only answer to the problem between two people.

6. We want an immediate end to the police brutality and mob attacks against the so-called Negro throughout the United States. We believe that the Federal government should intercede to see that Black men and women tried in white courts receive justice in accordance with the laws of the land–or allow us to build a new nation for ourselves, dedicated to justice, freedom and liberty.

7. As long as we are not allowed to establish a state or territory of our own, we demand not only equal justice under the laws of the United States, but equal employment opportunities–NOW! We do not believe that after 400 years of free or nearly free labour, sweat and blood, which has helped America become rich and powerful, so many thousands of Black people should have to subsist on relief or charity or live in poor houses.

8. We want the government of the United States to exempt our people from ALL taxation as long as we are deprived of equal justice under the laws of the land.

9. We want equal education–but separate schools up to 16 for boys and 18 for girls on the condition that the girls be sent to women’s colleges and universities. We want all Black children educated, taught and trained by their own teachers. Under such schooling system we believe we will make a better nation of people. The United States government should provide, free, all necessary text books and equipment, schools and college buildings. The Muslim teachers shall be left free to teach and train their people in the way of righteousness, decency and self respect.

10. We want the religion of Islam taught without hindrance or suppression.

Brother I love your mind set and I respect what u saying but NOI seems like they have kind of gotten away from what they represent.... A little bit. The NOI of seems to have a history of not protecting the leaders like khald, malcom, and some others......... Whenever these people become to opinionated and to truthful they no longer support them. Now if I see how they do there leaders whole are putting there lives on the line in all facets why should I join them........ What makes me any different. Yeah they have great ideas but every religion does to a certain degree......... I just want the truth the whole truth. I don't want half-truths because it will only last for so long.

 

[outordinary]

Brother I love your mind set and I respect what u saying but NOI seems like they have kind of gotten away from what they represent.... A little bit. The NOI of seems to have a history of not protecting the leaders like khald, malcom, and some others......... Whenever these people become to opinionated and to truthful they no longer support them. Now if I see how they do there leaders whole are putting there lives on the line in all facets why should I join them........ What makes me any different. Yeah they have great ideas but every religion does to a certain degree......... I just want the truth the whole truth. I don't want half-truths because it will only last for so long.

OK now I feel you better, I will ask though, assuming you have listened to a few lectures from members OTHER than malcom x or khalid. Members like the ones in the channels I mentioned (yes some of them are in london, but their lectures are still legit), what truth do you think you are not hearing? I've heard much from the nation on the outside that I can take in as truth, so I wish to maybe add what questions you have to my questions. If I have an answer, I'll give it to you.

Malcolm and Khalid as mentioned earlier, LEFT the nation, they were not kicked out on the streets, they weren't killed off, they get equal treatment as anyone. Even better treatment that usual organizations, they do get protection but also freedom to speak to the media WITHIN REASON. I'm in the military, anyone in the military can tell you, we have the freedom of speech BUT if we speak out of line ESPECIALLY on something we don't know and say we represent the MILITARY aka our organization, we will be silenced first and foremost. Worst case we get kicked out.

The NOI however, being an organization that is fair to its members, only silences members. It is also not some cult where you cannot leave of your own free will. It is ALSO not the military where you are bound by contract to stay in. You have freedom to leave as you please if you want to be some media star.

I digress though, brother what truths are you not hearing/what are the half truths you speak on?

(If I don't get to you right away I'm sorry)

 

[thewarrior05]

OK now I feel you better, I will ask though, assuming you have listened to a few lectures from members OTHER than malcom x or khalid. Members like the ones in the channels I mentioned (yes some of them are in london, but their lectures are still legit), what truth do you think you are not hearing? I've heard much from the nation on the outside that I can take in as truth, so I wish to maybe add what questions you have to my questions. If I have an answer, I'll give it to you.

Malcolm and Khalid as mentioned earlier, LEFT the nation, they were not kicked out on the streets, they weren't killed off, they get equal treatment as anyone. Even better treatment that usual organizations, they do get protection but also freedom to speak to the media WITHIN REASON. I'm in the military, anyone in the military can tell you, we have the freedom of speech BUT if we speak out of line ESPECIALLY on something we don't know and say we represent the MILITARY aka our organization, we will be silenced first and foremost. Worst case we get kicked out.

The NOI however, being an organization that is fair to its members, only silences members. It is also not some cult where you cannot leave of your own free will. It is ALSO not the military where you are bound by contract to stay in. You have freedom to leave as you please if you want to be some media star.

I digress though, brother what truths are you not hearing/what are the half truths you speak on?

(If I don't get to you right away I'm sorry)

OK soon when I read the autobiography of Malcolm X the nations explanation of Islam and the middle Eastern explain of Islam is too different things

 

[outordinary]

OK soon when I read the autobiography of Malcolm X the nations explanation of Islam and the middle Eastern explain of Islam is too different things

Well for one, the middle eastern explanation of Islam is Islam with "Arab culture" added to it. All in all, islam is practiced the same and defined the same everywhere.

Don't get too engrossed in Malcolm X, there is a reason why so much material was posted about him after he left the NOI and after he died. It is not because "oh white people have a good heart after all about black leaders!", it's because through him they saw a way they could slander the NOI, @Mowgli you said the dianetics and other slander is what screwed the image of the NOI in black minds.

I think Malcolm was seen as a complete way they could covertly slander the NOI. That's why they make a big deal out of teaching about him in public school and why a movie was made flat out throwing dirt on the NOI at the end. As for that autobiography, Muhammad Ali made comments about it saying that the book was written through the mind of Alex Haley.

 

[Mowgli]

Well for one, the middle eastern explanation of Islam is Islam with "Arab culture" added to it. All in all, islam is practiced the same and defined the same everywhere.

Don't get too engrossed in Malcolm X, there is a reason why so much material was posted about him after he left the NOI and after he died. It is not because "oh white people have a good heart after all about black leaders!", it's because through him they saw a way they could slander the NOI, @Mowgli you said the dianetics and other slander is what screwed the image of the NOI in black minds.

I think Malcolm was seen as a complete way they could covertly slander the NOI. That's why they make a big deal out of teaching about him in public school and why a movie was made flat out throwing dirt on the NOI at the end. As for that autobiography, Muhammad Ali made comments about it saying that the book was written through the mind of Alex Haley.

Black people don't need dianetics. It seemed like a business move. A way of thought from the mind of a real devil and it seem like a bad mix but im not in the NOI so I can only speak as an outsider.