Standing of the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan in the black community

[David_TheMan]

The FBI was trying to, and successfully drove a wedge between Malcolm and Elijah.

Being infiltrated does not mean the organization or mission is completely or even significantly compromised. The Nation of Islam grew stronger in numbers as well as assets all the way up to 1975.


Farrakhan appointed Khalid as his National spokesman. Farrakhan gave Khalid this "national attention" you speak of. The fact that you're even comparing Farrakhan and Malcolm to Farrakhan and Khalid proves that you don't know what you're talking about. At the time of the Million Youth March in NYC, Khalid was no longer part of "The Black Muslim."

Malcolm was never kicked out the Nation. There was no such title as "director of communication." You are clueless to what Farrakhan's actual position and assignment was in the mid-60's.


Farrakhan himself, and on plenty of occasions, explained his relationship with Scientology. You can go right on YouTube and hear for yourself.

The simple fact that you never mentioned Elijah Muhammad in your little "history" of The Nation of Islam, shows your just making sh-t up, or at best, going by 4th hand hearsay.

Yes we know what the FBI did and we know they had agents in the NoI working to that ends.
When you infiltrated an organization and cause a significant split that organization has been compromised.
We don't know what the NoI did membership wise we don't have objective numbers to count membership. Growing assets doesn't mean much, Scientology has grown its assets tremendously while membership has declined.

Farrakhan appointed Khalid means nothing, Malcolm X was appointed to his position as well, was he not? I comparing both because it shows a pattern of infighting and constant disruption of national attention with Farrakhan always in the mix.

Malcolm wasn't excommunicated from the NoI? Malcolm X wasn't national spokesman for NoI? Sorry of communication director wasn't his official title, but his duties were what I said. You are trying to hard and the fact that you are reduced to pedantry is telling.

Farrakhan himself claims a psueo-scientific process of dianetics, which has nothing backing it is useful to blacks? How is it when its proven, to be nothing but phoney shyt, just a meter that measure electical impulses of the body, doesn't clear anything, doesn't help get to the truth of anything, but is solely linked to a proven cult. You think this is acceptable for a man who claims to be a muslim?

I never claimed to be speaking of the history of the NoI, try to stay on track.

 

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Yes we know what the FBI did and we know they had agents in the NoI working to that ends.
When you infiltrated an organization and cause a significant split that organization has been compromised.
We don't know what the NoI did membership wise we don't have objective numbers to count membership. Growing assets doesn't mean much, Scientology has grown its assets tremendously while membership has declined.

One man and a handful of followers is not a significant split. Malcolm left, of his own volition, and took a handful of people. The Nation kept on rolling. Black people were drawn to the Nation of Islam because of its progressive and successful economic plan. If you say "Growing assets doesn't mean much," you don't know the program set up by Elijah Muhammad. If you knew anything about the NOI, you would not argue that it was at its apex in early 1975

Farrakhan appointed Khalid means nothing, Malcolm X was appointed to his position as well, was he not? I comparing both because it shows a pattern of infighting and constant disruption of national attention with Farrakhan always in the mix.

You said Farrakhan didn't like Khalid's national attention. I said Khalid was appointed for the purpose of gaining national attention. You can't say that attention is why he was sat down. Again you're clueless to Farrakhan's role and assignment in the mid-60's.

Malcolm wasn't excommunicated from the NoI? Malcolm X wasn't national spokesman for NoI? Sorry of communication director wasn't his official title, but his duties were what I said. You are trying to hard and the fact that you are reduced to pedantry is telling.

This is where people just say sh-t for the sole purpose of saying sh-t.
Malcolm was not to speak publicly for 90 days. That was the extent of his repremand from Elijah Muhammad. Malcolm decided, on his own, to do that treacherous bullsh-t after that. He left the Nation of his own volition.

Farrakhan himself claims a psueo-scientific process of dianetics, which has nothing backing it is useful to blacks? How is it when its proven, to be nothing but phoney shyt, just a meter that measure electical impulses of the body, doesn't clear anything, doesn't help get to the truth of anything, but is solely linked to a proven cult. You think this is acceptable for a man who claims to be a muslim?

I never claimed to be speaking of the history of the NoI, try to stay on track.

Again, Farrakhan can and has spoken for himself on Dianetics. If he or anyone else claims it has benefitted them, it's not my place to comment otherwise.
Introducing your Brother or Sister to something that one feels can improve their quality of life is the very definition of a Muslim.
If you're speaking on things that happened in the 60's and 90's, you are speaking on history.

 

[David_TheMan]

One man and a handful of followers is not a significant split. Malcolm left, of his own volition, and took a handful of people. The Nation kept on rolling. Black people were drawn to the Nation of Islam because of its progressive and successful economic plan. If you say "Growing assets doesn't mean much," you don't know the program set up by Elijah Muhammad. If you knew anything about the NOI, you would not argue that it was at its apex in early 1975

You said Farrakhan didn't like Khalid's national attention. I said Khalid was appointed for the purpose of gaining national attention. You can't say that attention is why he was sat down. Again you're clueless to Farrakhan's role and assignment in the mid-60's.

This is where people just say sh-t for the sole purpose of saying sh-t.
Malcolm was not to speak publicly for 90 days. That was the extent of his repremand from Elijah Muhammad. Malcolm decided, on his own, to do that treacherous bullsh-t after that. He left the Nation of his own volition.

Again, Farrakhan can and has spoken for himself on Dianetics. If he or anyone else claims it has benefitted them, it's not my place to comment otherwise.
Introducing your Brother or Sister to something that one feels can improve their quality of life is the very definition of a Muslim.
If you're speaking on things that happened in the 60's and 90's, you are speaking on history.

Except it was a significant split publicly and it was a hit in terms of PR and national public support.
Yes, no one said the NoI did not continue.
I said growing assets don't mean much in terms of membership or influence, and I gave you an example, the church of scientology has grown its financial assets greatly while its membership declined.
I never argued about the apex of the NoI at all, I simply said we don't have any 3rd party numbers monitoring membership to see what happened objectively.

Yes I said Farrakhan objected to Khalid's star starting to shine greater than his own. Yes you claimed Farrakhan appointed Khalid, that has nothing to do with the actual argument I submitted.
Now you go to Farrakhan in the 60s, did he not admit that he feel prey to manipulation and contributed to the atmosphere of violence directed towards Malcolm, that eventually lead to his death?

Stating facts is now saying shyt for shyt's sake, instead of stating fact that you initially denied.
You claimed Malcolm was not kicked out, yet the NoI excommunicated him, IE kicked him out of the movement, now instead of defending your original stance you seek to justify what you claimed initially never happened.

So farrakhan says everyone should do drugs because it can help you out, thats okay with you too? Stop it man. Farrakhan is in bed with a cult created by a crazed white man, and administered today by an even crazier white man who kidnaps people, threatens people who leave, and does so by using a psuedo-scientific bullshyt like Dianetics to draw people in, and Farrakhan embraces it and tries to get his sect of Islam involved in that non sense. There is no excuse for that, not from a black nationalist viewpoint or from a muslim front.

 

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Except it was a significant split publicly and it was a hit in terms of PR and national public support.
Yes, no one said the NoI did not continue.
I said growing assets don't mean much in terms of membership or influence, and I gave you an example, the church of scientology has grown its financial assets greatly while its membership declined.
I never argued about the apex of the NoI at all, I simply said we don't have any 3rd party numbers monitoring membership to see what happened objectively.

Yes I said Farrakhan objected to Khalid's star starting to shine greater than his own. Yes you claimed Farrakhan appointed Khalid, that has nothing to do with the actual argument I submitted.
Now you go to Farrakhan in the 60s, did he not admit that he feel prey to manipulation and contributed to the atmosphere of violence directed towards Malcolm, that eventually lead to his death?

Stating facts is now saying shyt for shyt's sake, instead of stating fact that you initially denied.
You claimed Malcolm was not kicked out, yet the NoI excommunicated him, IE kicked him out of the movement, now instead of defending your original stance you seek to justify what you claimed initially never happened.

So farrakhan says everyone should do drugs because it can help you out, thats okay with you too? Stop it man. Farrakhan is in bed with a cult created by a crazed white man, and administered today by an even crazier white man who kidnaps people, threatens people who leave, and does so by using a psuedo-scientific bullshyt like Dianetics to draw people in, and Farrakhan embraces it and tries to get his sect of Islam involved in that non sense. There is no excuse for that, not from a black nationalist viewpoint or from a muslim front.

You're asking for proof of membership. But you have no proof of this negative PR and public support decline in 65' your claiming. The success of the Nation of Islam is contingent on membership. That's basic to Elijah Muhammad's program. You're posting is merely f-ck Farrakhan, without any knowledge of the organization.

There's a specific reason why Farrakhan sat Khalid down. Wether you believe or agree with this reason doesn't matter. Show me that Farrakhan not liking Khalid's attention is the reason, as opposed to the reason Farrakhan himself stated for taking that action.

All that you claim Farrakhan did in the mid-60's, every other official in the Nation did at that time with regards to strongly denouncing Malcolm. Farrakhan was not a National official at that time. So you cannot make him more culpable than anyone else in the Nation that spoke out against Malcolm. Farrakhan is the only thing most people know about the NOI, so they erroneously say he was the main one denouncing Malcolm. Again, just f-ck Farrakhan posting without any knowledge of how the Nation operates.

A 90 day ban from public speaking is not excommunication. Malcolm didn't like his suspension, so he went off and did his own thing. The Nation of Islam actually has laws regarding offenses and subsequent consequences. You don't know this, you're arguing out of ignorance.

Like I said, if Farrakhan finds Dianetics helpful, he introduced it to his organization. A Muslim wants for his Brother what he wants for himself. Either you take heed to what Farrakhan says, or you don't. Using Dianetics is not being in bed with Scientology. Show me where Farrakhan ever said he was a Scientologist. Show me where he ever suggested Black people join the Church of Scientology. And I know you don't have proof of any financial relationship between NoI and CoS. So this in bed stuff is just you talking.

 

[Vonte3000]

Someone tell me exactly what the NOI has done for us? They hopped on the LGBT wave with a quickness.

 

[Vonte3000]

no

just did and I don't see any mention of auditing or scientology.

Personally I can't dap a man who was involved in Malcolm X's death, and I'm not a fan of their views on Jews, homosexuality, sexism/gender, etc. I like some things about them like self reliance and community safety.

Farrakhan is literally cool with everything you mentioned

 

[Vonte3000]

Except it was a significant split publicly and it was a hit in terms of PR and national public support.
Yes, no one said the NoI did not continue.
I said growing assets don't mean much in terms of membership or influence, and I gave you an example, the church of scientology has grown its financial assets greatly while its membership declined.
I never argued about the apex of the NoI at all, I simply said we don't have any 3rd party numbers monitoring membership to see what happened objectively.

Yes I said Farrakhan objected to Khalid's star starting to shine greater than his own. Yes you claimed Farrakhan appointed Khalid, that has nothing to do with the actual argument I submitted.
Now you go to Farrakhan in the 60s, did he not admit that he feel prey to manipulation and contributed to the atmosphere of violence directed towards Malcolm, that eventually lead to his death?

Stating facts is now saying shyt for shyt's sake, instead of stating fact that you initially denied.
You claimed Malcolm was not kicked out, yet the NoI excommunicated him, IE kicked him out of the movement, now instead of defending your original stance you seek to justify what you claimed initially never happened.

So farrakhan says everyone should do drugs because it can help you out, thats okay with you too? Stop it man. Farrakhan is in bed with a cult created by a crazed white man, and administered today by an even crazier white man who kidnaps people, threatens people who leave, and does so by using a psuedo-scientific bullshyt like Dianetics to draw people in, and Farrakhan embraces it and tries to get his sect of Islam involved in that non sense. There is no excuse for that, not from a black nationalist viewpoint or from a muslim front.

FACTS, as black folk we never do thorough research and our due diligence on the organizatuons/greek fraternities. Most of these black leaders sell snake oil or get funds from the very white man they claim to be at odds with.

 

[David_TheMan]

You're asking for proof of membership. But you have no proof of this negative PR and public support decline in 65' your claiming. The success of the Nation of Islam is contingent on membership. That's basic to Elijah Muhammad's program. You're posting is merely f-ck Farrakhan, without any knowledge of the organization.

There's a specific reason why Farrakhan sat Khalid down. Wether you believe or agree with this reason doesn't matter. Show me that Farrakhan not liking Khalid's attention is the reason, as opposed to the reason Farrakhan himself stated for taking that action.

All that you claim Farrakhan did in the mid-60's, every other official in the Nation did at that time with regards to strongly denouncing Malcolm. Farrakhan was not a National official at that time. So you cannot make him more culpable than anyone else in the Nation that spoke out against Malcolm. Farrakhan is the only thing most people know about the NOI, so they erroneously say he was the main one denouncing Malcolm. Again, just f-ck Farrakhan posting without any knowledge of how the Nation operates.

A 90 day ban from public speaking is not excommunication. Malcolm didn't like his suspension, so he went off and did his own thing. The Nation of Islam actually has laws regarding offenses and subsequent consequences. You don't know this, you're arguing out of ignorance.

Like I said, if Farrakhan finds Dianetics helpful, he introduced it to his organization. A Muslim wants for his Brother what he wants for himself. Either you take heed to what Farrakhan says, or you don't. Using Dianetics is not being in bed with Scientology. Show me where Farrakhan ever said he was a Scientologist. Show me where he ever suggested Black people join the Church of Scientology. And I know you don't have proof of any financial relationship between NoI and CoS. So this in bed stuff is just you talking.

I'm asking for 3rd party verifiable membership to support your claim, nothing more and nothing less. Since we don't have have verifable numbers its hard to support your claim. We see the proof of negative PR for the NoI as we see it commonly held and believed that they were behind murdering Malcolm X. That is negative PR, I lean towards they were involved, but that isn't the discussion.

Yes Farrakhan said why he dismissed him. Now seeing as what he said was not very much different that what had previously been said, we have to conclude there were underlying reasons for why he was kicked out. Farrakhan sounds like he either is caving from pressure outside or he is removing someone who is becoming bigger than himself.

I didn't say Farrakhan was more culpable than anyone else, I said it is funny how he is always in the mix. I did say how he has accepted blame himself. You haven't refuted this.

I didn't say the 90 day ban was an excommunication. I said the NoI excommunicated him. Malcolm X himself says he was forcibly removed
"I never left the Nation of Islam of my own free will. It was they who conspired with Captain Joseph here in New York to pressure me out of the Nation." - Malcolm X.

How in the hell can you say dianetics isn't in bed with scientology, when dianetics is the IP and property of Scientology and to use it you have to be licensed and certified by scientology inspectors. Stop man, there is no way you can try to excuse Farrakhan getting in bed with scientology. I don't have to show you Farrakhan saying he was a scientologist, because I never claimed he was. I never even said he told people to join CoS. We do have proof of a relationship between NoI and CoS, the NoI has CoS credentialed auditors practicing dianetics.

 

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I'm asking for 3rd party verifiable membership to support your claim, nothing more and nothing less. Since we don't have have verifable numbers its hard to support your claim. We see the proof of negative PR for the NoI as we see it commonly held and believed that they were behind murdering Malcolm X. That is negative PR, I lean towards they were involved, but that isn't the discussion.

Yes Farrakhan said why he dismissed him. Now seeing as what he said was not very much different that what had previously been said, we have to conclude there were underlying reasons for why he was kicked out. Farrakhan sounds like he either is caving from pressure outside or he is removing someone who is becoming bigger than himself.

I didn't say Farrakhan was more culpable than anyone else, I said it is funny how he is always in the mix. I did say how he has accepted blame himself. You haven't refuted this.

I didn't say the 90 day ban was an excommunication. I said the NoI excommunicated him. Malcolm X himself says he was forcibly removed
"I never left the Nation of Islam of my own free will. It was they who conspired with Captain Joseph here in New York to pressure me out of the Nation." - Malcolm X.

How in the hell can you say dianetics isn't in bed with scientology, when dianetics is the IP and property of Scientology and to use it you have to be licensed and certified by scientology inspectors. Stop man, there is no way you can try to excuse Farrakhan getting in bed with scientology. I don't have to show you Farrakhan saying he was a scientologist, because I never claimed he was. I never even said he told people to join CoS. We do have proof of a relationship between NoI and CoS, the NoI has CoS credentialed auditors practicing dianetics.

Your proof is "a commonly held belief." You're being petty asking me for 3rd party verifiable numbers. The Nation of Islam has been around for over 80 years, they have obviously withstood negative PR and maintained membership to a notable extent. The NOI mainly functions off of charitable donations of money as well as time and effort, from its members. So it's success is contingent on membership. Your "proof" is circumstantial being that is based on what you claim is a common belief.

Like I said, you're posting f-ck Farrakhan, so if that's how you interpret that 3 minute video, I understand why.

The followers of Elijah felt the same way as Farrakhan in terms of denouncing Malcolm. He was not "in the mix," he was simply loyal to Elijah, and just happened to have a platform to speak on it. "In the mix" implies a central roll. You're f-ck Farrakhan, so you want this to be true.

Malcolm X was a lier, I can prove this. But for the sake of this thread, I'll tell you this about the Nation of Islam; A captain cannot remove a minister from their post. The Nation of Islam has an organizational structure, you don't know this, so that quote is valid you.

I never said Dianetics wasn't in bed with Scientology, I said Farrakhan wasn't. "In bed" implies a deeply rooted connection. He has a relationship with the CoS in so much that he believes Dianetics is a useful process. Being "in bed with" implies they are directly working together for some specific goal. You cannot prove that to be the case. A Christian can read the Final Call Newspaper without being a Nation of Islam member, or even believing any substantial amount what they believe.

 

[David_TheMan]

Your proof is "a commonly held belief." You're being petty asking me for 3rd party verifiable numbers. The Nation of Islam has been around for over 80 years, they have obviously withstood negative PR and maintained membership to a notable extent. The NOI mainly functions off of charitable donations of money as well as time and effort, from its members. So it's success is contingent on membership. Your "proof" is circumstantial being that is based on what you claim is a common belief.

Like I said, you're posting f-ck Farrakhan, so if that's how you interpret that 3 minute video, I understand why.

The followers of Elijah felt the same way as Farrakhan in terms of denouncing Malcolm. He was not "in the mix," he was simply loyal to Elijah, and just happened to have a platform to speak on it. "In the mix" implies a central roll. You're f-ck Farrakhan, so you want this to be true.

Malcolm X was a lier, I can prove this. But for the sake of this thread, I'll tell you this about the Nation of Islam; A captain cannot remove a minister from their post. The Nation of Islam has an organizational structure, you don't know this, so that quote is valid you.

I never said Dianetics wasn't in bed with Scientology, I said Farrakhan wasn't. "In bed" implies a deeply rooted connection. He has a relationship with the CoS in so much that he believes Dianetics is a useful process. Being "in bed with" implies they are directly working together for some specific goal. You cannot prove that to be the case. A Christian can read the Final Call Newspaper without being a Nation of Islam member, or even believing any substantial amount what they believe.

Yes my proof for negative PR effect is the reference public views held and that are pervasive regarding a organization.
Yes I"m asking you for verifiable numbers when you make a claim on membership.
NoI ceased to exist for a time and was brought back under Farrakhan was it not?
NoI has assets you claimed, now its living hand to mouth off the donations from its members, which one is it?

I'm not posting fukk Farrakhan, its just he has done a lot of questionable actions that would make one suspect him of always not being selfless in his actions.

In the mix implies in the mix, if I said he was the lead instigator you might have a point.

Malcolm X was a liar, he wasn't excommunicated, he wasn't kicked out, all that is a lie. NoI didn't post pictures of him being beheaded, and calling for his death. All those are lies. SMH.

If Farrakhan is involved with Dianetics he is involved with the CoS. That Farrakhan is paying for CoS to certify NoI auditors means he is putting money from the NoI in the pockets of the CoS. You have no defense for this so you are resorting to babbling.

 

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Yes my proof for negative PR effect is the reference public views held and that are pervasive regarding a organization.
Yes I"m asking you for verifiable numbers when you make a claim on membership.
NoI ceased to exist for a time and was brought back under Farrakhan was it not?
NoI has assets you claimed, now its living hand to mouth off the donations from its members, which one is it?

I'm not posting fukk Farrakhan, its just he has done a lot of questionable actions that would make one suspect him of always not being selfless in his actions.

In the mix implies in the mix, if I said he was the lead instigator you might have a point.

Malcolm X was a liar, he wasn't excommunicated, he wasn't kicked out, all that is a lie. NoI didn't post pictures of him being beheaded, and calling for his death. All those are lies. SMH.

If Farrakhan is involved with Dianetics he is involved with the CoS. That Farrakhan is paying for CoS to certify NoI auditors means he is putting money from the NoI in the pockets of the CoS. You have no defense for this so you are resorting to babbling.

If you know that the NOI ceased to exist, then you should know about all the assets that were sold off during this period in time. These 2 things literally good hand in hand. The charitable donations are used to achieve a bigger goal. Starting off small and growing larger is a simple concept. "Hand to mouth" is something from your imagination.

If he's not the lead instigator, then stop throwing out his name without naming the other dozens or more of Elijah's followers that did and said the exact same thing with respect to Malcolm's murder.

Simple concept: Malcolm received a minor form of disciplined from his leader. It wasn't to his liking, so he left and denounced the organization. You can't excommunicate someone that leaves on their own. He slandered Elijah after he chose to leave, the followers turned up the heat. That is not excommunication, that's being loyal to and representing Elijah.
"Involved with" does not have the same implications as "in bed with," you know this. You have absolutely no knowledge of the finances with respect to this involvement, so stop speaking like you know what's going on.

 

[David_TheMan]

If you know that the NOI ceased to exist, then you should know about all the assets that were sold off during this period in time. These 2 things literally good hand in hand. The charitable donations are used to achieve a bigger goal. Starting off small and growing larger is a simple concept. "Hand to mouth" is something from your imagination.

If he's not the lead instigator, then stop throwing out his name without naming the other dozens or more of Elijah's followers that did and said the exact same thing with respect to Malcolm's murder.

Simple concept: Malcolm received a minor form of disciplined from his leader. It wasn't to his liking, so he left and denounced the organization. You can't excommunicate someone that leaves on their own. He slandered Elijah after he chose to leave, the followers turned up the heat. That is not excommunication, that's being loyal to and representing Elijah.
"Involved with" does not have the same implications as "in bed with," you know this. You have absolutely no knowledge of the finances with respect to this involvement, so stop speaking like you know what's going on.

You are the one that told me they had assets, now you are saying they had no assets. which one is it. you are the one who can't even keep your story straight.

Why would I not throw his name when he was in the mix and even he has said he was involved in contributing to the atmosphere? Why? because you seem to be a dikk rider for farrakhan.

Simple concept? Malcolm said he was removed from the orgnization. The organization excommunicated him, the orgainization in its official paper prints cartoons with him being beheaded and calling for his death. And you expect anyone to believe your contention that Malcolm X voluntarily left the orgainzation? Stop man.

He is in bed with and involved with the CoS. The CoS doesn't give out licensing for auditing for free, it cost money to its own members, you think NoI got a discount? Stop it man.

 

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You are the one that told me they had assets, now you are saying they had no assets. which one is it. you are the one who can't even keep your story straight.

Why would I not throw his name when he was in the mix and even he has said he was involved in contributing to the atmosphere? Why? because you seem to be a dikk rider for farrakhan.

Simple concept? Malcolm said he was removed from the orgnization. The organization excommunicated him, the orgainization in its official paper prints cartoons with him being beheaded and calling for his death. And you expect anyone to believe your contention that Malcolm X voluntarily left the orgainzation? Stop man.

He is in bed with and involved with the CoS. The CoS doesn't give out licensing for auditing for free, it cost money to its own members, you think NoI got a discount? Stop it man.

The assets were sold off in 75, then Farrakhan started the process of basically building it back up from scratch. This is integral to the history of the NOI. If you don't know this history, your fronting with your knowledge of the NOI.

Your making up stuff about the NOI. If you actually knew what you were talking about, you could name some other people that did the same. You're trying to augment Farrakhan's responsibility, I'm just trying to put events in proper context.

Temporary suspension, never officially removed permanently. His decision to leave. Cartoons in the Muhammad Speaks is not an official ruling. You don't know the laws of the NOI, there are very few things that warrant an actual excommunication. Egos were involved, Malcolm made his choice.

You don't know the history of the most crucial time within the NOI, but now you know what Farrakhan is doing with his money. Farrakhan's not a member of CoS, you don't know how those meetings went.

 

[David_TheMan]

The assets were sold off in 75, then Farrakhan started the process of basically building it back up from scratch. This is integral to the history of the NOI. If you don't know this history, your fronting with your knowledge of the NOI.

Your making up stuff about the NOI. If you actually knew what you were talking about, you could name some other people that did the same. You're trying to augment Farrakhan's responsibility, I'm just trying to put events in proper context.

Temporary suspension, never officially removed permanently. His decision to leave. Cartoons in the Muhammad Speaks is not an official ruling. You don't know the laws of the NOI, there are very few things that warrant an actual excommunication. Egos were involved, Malcolm made his choice.

You don't know the history of the most crucial time within the NOI, but now you know what Farrakhan is doing with his money. Farrakhan's not a member of CoS, you don't know how those meetings went.

You are the one who said the NoI had tremendous assets, so what are you complaining to me about? You need to get your own story right.

How am I making up documented fact, words that came out of Farrakhan's own mouth? There is nothing to put in context, you are arguing strawmen.

He was excommunicated, NoI threatened his life, NoI make cartoon encouraging his death. I don't need to know the laws of the NoI when I know what you are claiming isn't backed up by reality. Malcolm X says he was forced out the NoI, initially you claimed he voluntarily left. You claimed ignored his excommunication, then when brought up you sought to justify it when you previously said all disconnecting was done on Malcolm's end. Get your story straight.

You do a lot of deflecting when it comes down to why Farrakhan has the NoI doing business with the cult of scientology.

 

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You are the one who said the NoI had tremendous assets, so what are you complaining to me about? You need to get your own story right.

How am I making up documented fact, words that came out of Farrakhan's own mouth? There is nothing to put in context, you are arguing strawmen.

He was excommunicated, NoI threatened his life, NoI make cartoon encouraging his death. I don't need to know the laws of the NoI when I know what you are claiming isn't backed up by reality. Malcolm X says he was forced out the NoI, initially you claimed he voluntarily left. You claimed ignored his excommunication, then when brought up you sought to justify it when you previously said all disconnecting was done on Malcolm's end. Get your story straight.

You do a lot of deflecting when it comes down to why Farrakhan has the NoI doing business with the cult of scientology.

Your posting like you actually know something about the NOI. I Didn't think I had to breakdown 1975-1978. Like I said, if you don't know about this period, anything you say about the NOI is suspect.

I never denied he said those things about Malcolm. Im just showing you don't know the NOI, so your just say Farrakhan said...... If you knew the NOI, you could name others that said the same things. If you say context doesn't matter, fine, I'm just saying what actually happened, because you don't know. And like most people do, you make stuff, or tell half truths about the organization.

90 days of no public speaking. He didn't like that decision, so he left. Yes the whole ordeal was complicated, but ultimately, he made that decision. You're just flat out disregarding how the NOI functions because you know nothing of it, and it doesn't fit your narritive.

Not deflecting anything, Farrakhan deals with the CoS, never denied that, I can't, its on YouTube. I told you WHY he deals with CoS, he feels Dianetics is helpful. Your just lying if you say I didn't explain this "WHY" already. And like I stated earlier, the validity or usefulness with respect to any one specific individual is not for me to determine.

My basic premise is that you don't actually know anything about The Nation of Islam, so your posting with the f-ck Farrakhan, Malcolm can do no wrong theme.