Spike Lee Goes in: "Django is disrespectful to my ancestors".....

[Gravity]

Intellect to challenge you? This conversation is about a film. Nothing about it is intellectual. I'd much rather spend my time here addressing issues which matter. I'd rather spend my time here discussing mathematics, philosophy, and science. This matters to you for whatever odd reason. I never said your opinion wasn't valid. You made your opinion known. That wasn't enough though, you had to come in here and constantly chastise others.

The poster that I was debating doesn't think that my position is valid, hence the debate. If you don't think that this discussion is intelligent or worth having then why are you here? Why enter the thread to "listen in" on a conversation that you don't think is worth having? Again, I didn't ask you to read my posts or care about my thoughts. Go discuss math, science or philosophy if that's what you want to do. You're the one doing the chastising, not I. You're not even making sense boy.

You keep calling me white boy like that would upset me or something. Do you feel empowered by calling me racial slurs on the internet? Does it provide you a way to vent anonymously at white people before you go back to the real world?

Miss me with tw psychology. I call you white boy because that's what you are. Cracker=white boy. It's as simple as that. Those aren't racial slurs IMO. I couldn't care less whether it upsets you or not.

You think I'm somehow unable to address or have issues with those things because I am white? You think I am somehow responsible for those things because I am white?

No, I don't think that white people are unable to have concerns regarding those issues. I just don't think that white people really are concerned about those issues except for when it comes to maintaining the status quo. Yes, you are responsible for those issues. You directly benefit from white supremacy. If you're not actively trying to end white supremacy then by default you're perpetuating it. If you aren't part of the solution then you're part of the problem.

You're just a fake fukking militant racist. Nothing more. All your posts on this forum involve race issues, so you can come in here and call people crackers and house ******s. A one trick pony who think's he's justifying being black by being a bigot.

Here you go showing your true colors. Youre one of these white people who believes in "reverse racism" and black people playing the "race card". I'll ignore your lie about all of my posts being about race for now. Tell me how I'm a racist or bigot. Am I a racist because I call white people crackers? nikka is the most used racial term on this site by far, are all the people who use nikka in every sentence racists too? Do you honestly think that racism is about name calling? Fall back white boy, you aren't smart enough.

I've already thoroughly explained why your reaction is illogical and emotional. Its reflective of your fear of white folks and your "white man won" complex. like i said there are a million ways you can interperate the movie. Your fear of the white man and what he might do to you shapes your view of the world, and this movie is no different.

White man got you nikkas all fukked up. He has you defeated mentally. You place yourself in a cage and then complain when he patrols it. The worst part is you can't see it, and you'd rather call me a house nikka than to free yourself.

You haven't explained anything. All of your posts in this discussion are just like this. You just say things with nothing intelliget to back it up. Youre too stupid to even comprehend what im actually saying.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

The poster that I was debating doesn't think that my position is valid, hence the debate. If you don't think that this discussion is intelligent or worth having then why are you here? Why enter the thread to "listen in" on a conversation that you don't think is worth having? Again, I didn't ask you to read my posts or care about my thoughts. Go discuss math, science or philosophy if that's what you want to do. You're the one doing the chastising, not I. You're not even making sense boy.

Miss me with tw psychology. I call you white boy because that's what you are. Cracker=white boy. It's as simple as that. Those aren't racial slurs IMO. I couldn't care less whether it upsets you or not.

No, I don't think that white people are unable to have concerns regarding those issues. I just don't think that white people really are concerned about those issues except for when it comes to maintaining the status quo. Yes, you are responsible for those issues. You directly benefit from white supremacy. If you're not actively trying to end white supremacy then by default you're perpetuating it. If you aren't part of the solution then you're part of the problem.

Here you go showing your true colors. Youre kne of these white people who believes in "reverse racism" and black people playing the "race card". I'll ignore your lie about all of my posts being about race for now. Tell me how I'm a racist or bigot. Am I a racist because I call white people crackers? nikka is the most used racial term on this site by far, are all the people who use nikka in every sentence racists too? Do you honestly think that racism is about name calling? Fall back white boy, you aren't smart enough.You haven't explained anything. All of your posts in this discussion are just like this. You just say things with nothing intelliget to back it up. Youre too stupid to even comprehend what im actually saying.

Your reaction to anything anybody says is "shutup stupid whiteboy/house nikka" it's ironic because all that does is makes you sound like the stupid house nikka. If there are any valid points in your posts, they get lost in your ignorance.

 

[Fillerguy]

took a turn for the worst

 

[OsO]

didnt read all of the thread, but people are overreacting to this on both sides. is django going to be the movie that sets free the souls of black folks? no. but is it a typical, exploitation of the black experience? no, definitely not.

i think some people brought their preconceived notions about the movie, about slavery, and about race into the analysis of the movie itself, which is natural, because everybody is entitled to their own opinions. but when people start saying stuff like there are no intelligent black characters in the movie, or this movie is no different than any other movie, etc., that's just silly because clearly there are intelligent and capable black people in the movie. the three smartest characters were django, sam l, and king. and clearly this movie is doing something few if any movies have done before. when is the last time you saw a movie about black love in mainstream movies? i aint talking about love and basketball or love jones naga im talking about hollywood blockbusters. and when is the last time you saw a black man dominate a group of white men, making them look silly in every way imaginable, AND WIN IN THE END? when is the last time you saw anything that graphic visually around the horrors associated with slavery? ive never seen a mandingo fight where one slave breaks another slaves arm, rips his eyes out, then kills him with a hammer. ive never seen a slave get ripped to pieces by dogs before in hollywood. ive never seen them pull a naked black slave girl out of a hotbox before in hollywood. so we need to be realistic about exactly what django is and what it isnt.

so we can have differing opinions and thats cool, but we gotta remain reasonable. this thread has the most replies and views in the coli right now and it's not even close. that means its sparking discussion. it has generated an enormous amount of dialogue in my personal life with my friends and co-workers. it just so happens that i live and work around mostly people of color so i dont know what white people are saying about the movie, but i know black folks are saying plenty.

but it's unfair to give this movie the task of addressing all our social issues around slavery. and it's unfair to task this movie with creating honest dialogue around race relations between blacks and whites in our society. it's unfair because that's a standard that typically movies are not held to. so why start with django?

im just sayin yall... everything doesnt have to be so extreme... we can find a balance in the middle. but it starts with listening and being open to the perspective of others while being realistic and sound in our own logic.

 

[theworldismine13]

so that is where heather b ended up? lol

 

[daze23]

Jeffrey Wright Speaks on His Honest Thoughts on Quentin Tarantino's Django Unchained - YouTube

joo know why they call me "peoples"?

 

[Rapmastermind]

Jeffrey Wright Speaks on His Honest Thoughts on Quentin Tarantino's Django Unchained - YouTube

so that is where heather b ended up? lol

Jeffrey Wright really broke it down as I made the same complaints about the use of the "White Savoir" plot device. As well as the fact that Django didn't even Kill the Plantation Owner, the one who brought his wife and put her in that situation. The fact that Sam ended up becoming the last Villian of the movie. Again this is fantasy, you can make up what you want but at the end of the day Django was playing 2nd fiddle most of the movie. As for D!ck Gregory, again I don't think it's needed with all the name calling of Spike.

Same with Uncle Luke. Spike didn't want to see the film, that's his business. But a "Thug", Spike is not. Also to try and diss "Malcolm X" which is light years more important to cinema than "Django" is not cool so I don't agree with D. Gregory with that. Luke lost his mind calling Spike and "Uncle Tom" and then had the nerve to say Django had embodied the Black Experience more than any of his films, LOL. Spike's comments have cause this much of an outcry and controversy shows you the power of his opinion when Blacks are depicted in film.

 

[daze23]

yeah, but you can't just throw any plot together and expect it to 'work', let alone be a successful movie. a big theme they had to work around in this movie was the paperwork needed to prove one was a freeman

 

[88m3]

yeah, but you can't just throw any plot together and expect it to 'work', let alone be a successful movie. a big theme they had to work around in this movie was the paperwork needed to prove one was a freeman

Is anyone ever truly free?

 

[daze23]

Is anyone ever truly free?

freedom is the road seldom traveled by the multitude

 

[NYC Rebel]

Jeffrey Wright Speaks on His Honest Thoughts on Quentin Tarantino's Django Unchained - YouTube

so that is where heather b ended up? lol

What was so different about what he said from many of us that the same niqqa giving this dap gave us grief for saying the same thing?

Dr. king was the most complex character on the film, playing off of current day white liberal guilt and ambivalence. Django was simplistic, playing simply off of anger which needed shaping by his white teacher.

I just didnt find the movie that great and felt that it was falsely advertised.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

What was so different about what he said from many of us that the same niqqa giving this dap gave us grief for saying the same thing?

Dr. king was the most complex character on the film, playing off of current day white liberal guilt and ambivalence.

I just didnt find the movie that great and felt that it was falsely advertised.

I dapped it because it was a sound logical response to the movie, not this racist, exploitative, "white mans out to get me" rhetoric that a lot of people are supporting.

He said it was an interesting point which I agree with. I've already given my opinion on those thoughts though. First off django's goal was to save his wife, not to kill candy, so the fact that he didn't kill candy takes nothing away from his success. Secondly from the time django and the German met with candy django was the leader of the narative. It was django that convinced candy to bring them to candyland, it was django who set the tone for the journey there. It was django that had to pull Dr king in and remind him to keep his composure and focus on the goal at hand. It was Dr king who couldn't keep his composure and got himself killed, compromising the mission and getting django recaptured and enslaved. And it was django's strength and resolve that picked up the pieces and completed the mission.

I agree that the movie is overrated. But at the same time I'm happy to see some black folks in a big budget Hollywood blockbuster. I'm happy to see black love conquer all, with no baby mommas or ratchetness involved.

 

[theworldismine13]

What was so different about what he said from many of us that the same niqqa giving this dap gave us grief for saying the same thing?

Dr. king was the most complex character on the film, playing off of current day white liberal guilt and ambivalence. Django was simplistic, playing simply off of anger which needed shaping by his white teacher.

I just didnt find the movie that great and felt that it was falsely advertised.

what i said is that the same people and forces that created django are the same people and forces that created "nikkas in paris" and are behind the rap industry, in both cases aspects of black culture are being used to entertain white people, i think thats what got yall panties in a bunch

i never had a problem with the white hero criticism of django or in hollywood movies

 

[NYC Rebel]

I dapped it because it was a sound logical response to the movie, not this racist, exploitative, "white mans out to get me" rhetoric that a lot of people are supporting.

This is really why I don't rock with you throughout the foolishness you've littered in this thread. You seem to be strawmanning niqqas into that manufactured belief you threw in your above statement that at the end of the day makes it pretty much useless to have a legitimate conversation with.

Dude didn't say anything much different than MOST of us who've criticized the film as simplistic and overrated. But you rather dress niqqas up as being scared of white men trying to get em rather having a coherent conversation.

 

[Rapmastermind]

If you read NYC rebel, Myself as well as some of Gravity's post. We all brought up the exact same complaints that Jeffrey Wright did about the plot, story and concept. If you notice, he praised the actors in the film but he had a problem with the overall concept and how it highlights other characters more than Django and that's true.

You see when you get into all the name calling like Uncle Luke and D. Gregory it takes away from their point. Spike didn't name call, he just said speaking for himself he didn't want to mess with it. I like how Jeffery broke it down how the plot still following typical Hollywood formulas which I brought up in this thread.

I also agree that even though I hated him C00Nin it up, Sam clearly stole the movie. He commanded the screen the minute he came in till the end of the film. Acting and performances aside. QT did not make a Black Liberation film as some are proclaiming. Django again wasn't the dominating character of the movie, despite it being named after him and the story being about him.