Spike Lee Goes in: "Django is disrespectful to my ancestors".....

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How is that argument weak when it's the truth? The definition of exploit is to make use of something to one's own advantage. QT decided to make use of slavery to sell his movie. The difference between Roots and Django is that Roots is based on real life people and events. Haley spent 10 years researching his family tree to write Roots. Django is just a fictional action movie using slavery as the backdrop. The argument for the movie exploiting slavery isn't weak, it's factual. Your excuses and ignorance is what is weak. You not thinking that there are any glaring fallacies regarding slavery(which is up for debate btw) has nothing to with whether it exploits slavery or not.

I never said that QT should have made a documentary. This is Amerikkka, he's well within his rights here. What he should or shouldn't do isnt up for me to decide. You asked me how could he have done a project about slavery without exploiting it, and my answer was "by making a non-profit uncompromising documentary".

Stop lumping everyone that you disagree with together as if we are all saying the same things, it's weak and lazy. I haven't said one word about Inglorious b*stards. Again, you keep trying to defend Django from the truth by bringing up other shyt to try and cloud the issue. This isn't about Inglorious b*stards or any other movie, this is about Django. This isnt about whether or not you think that the dolls are in bad taste either. I'm saying that the dolls are a clear example of how the movie exploits slavery.

There's nothing emotional about stating the truth, or rational personal opinions. I'll tell you what is emotional, the way you're bending over backwards to lick boots. Your need to cape and save QT and his movie from anybody who has something not necessarily positive to say about it is very telling. It's funny how you accuse people of being illogical when it's obvious that you're about as bright as a dim light bulb. I have no choice but to question your intelligence after reading your posts. Take how you try and check me for calling Django a blaxploitation flick for example. You can't be serious.


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:ohhh: I remeber now. Your the dude that likes to call people stupid while saying stupid shyt. Just like last time I refuse to engage with you because you are incapable of having a decent conversation without hurling insults. Good day sir.

Oh and your wrong about roots that was a totaly fictional story as well
 

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It doesn't exploit slavery because it doesn't tell any glaring fallacies or support any negative stereotypes.

The filled is film with jokes about slavery, and Blacks. The film begs the audience to laugh at slave ignorance and c00nery. It also wants us to laugh at how ridiculous those pale faces with hoods are...Asking us to find humor in a group that would go on to massacre, rape, oppress Blacks for the next 120 years.

A good 2/3 of the film is spent explaining why slaves are inferior to whites or are best compared to animals; even Django adopts this mentality under the German's request. I'm sure QT went through all the possible plot scenarios and found the mythical "mandingo fights" to suit his story the best but why not include some counter anti-slavery dialogue. I guess not even the slaves back then thought negroes were worth a damn in the head.:yeshrug:

In reality, white racists believed Black men were violent creatures that needed to be controlled. If said negro wasn't controlled or was freed, White families were in danger, particularly white women. No only does Django fulfill our modern angry Black man archetype to a T (understandably), he goes on a killing spree. Once Django obtains his "reward", he continues this killing spree and even takes out an innocent white woman, the pale face on that farm who was nice to his girl. :heh:

QT tried to sell Django as a Black hero:aicmon: The German was more disturbed by slavery than Django. Yeah yeah Django was used to it but that doesnt mean it shouldn't bother him. Django was more concerned with his wife than the slaves he went out his way to shyt on slaves to appease Candy. If QT wanted to make a Black hero, Django would've at least empathize with the other slaves. He would've made Django inadvertently spark a slave revolt, throwing everything Candy said about slaves back in his face. Django would've gained his own freedom and he would've killed Candy. Instead we have a White man freeing Django and destroying the man who is the sole cause of Django's pain. The White man giveth and taketh.:upsetfavre:

And I could go on:smugbiden:
 

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The filled is film with jokes about slavery, and Blacks. The film begs the audience to laugh at slave ignorance and c00nery. It also wants us to laugh at how ridiculous those pale faces with hoods are...Asking us to find humor in a group that would go on to massacre, rape, oppress Blacks for the next 120 years.

A good 2/3 of the film is spent explaining why slaves are inferior to whites or are best compared to animals; even Django adopts this mentality under the German's request. I'm sure QT went through all the possible plot scenarios and found the mythical "mandingo fights" to suit his story the best but why not include some counter anti-slavery dialogue. I guess not even the slaves back then thought negroes were worth a damn in the head.:yeshrug:

In reality, white racists believed Black men were violent creatures that needed to be controlled. If said negro wasn't controlled or was freed, White families were in danger, particularly white women. No only does Django fulfill our modern angry Black man archetype to a T (understandably), he goes on a killing spree. Once Django obtains his "reward", he continues this killing spree and even takes out an innocent white woman, the pale face on that farm who was nice to his girl. :heh:

QT tried to sell Django as a Black hero:aicmon: The German was more disturbed by slavery than Django. Yeah yeah Django was used to it but that doesnt mean it shouldn't bother him. Django was more concerned with his wife than the slaves he went out his way to shyt on slaves to appease Candy. If QT wanted to make a Black hero, Django would've at least empathize with the other slaves. He would've made Django inadvertently spark a slave revolt, throwing everything Candy said about slaves back in his face. Django would've gained his own freedom and he would've killed Candy. Instead we have a White man freeing Django and destroying the man who is the sole cause of Django's pain. The White man giveth and taketh.:upsetfavre:

And I could go on:smugbiden:
That's your interperation going into the movie with those feelings about white/black relations. You'd feel that way about how white people feel about us with or without the movie. In my opinion the movie showed the ignorance and savagery of white folks, and the intelligence and strength of black folks. I didn't see any slave ignorance outside of the house nikka who acted just like a house nikka should. I have no problem in finding the humor in painful events, you might disagree, but I'd rather laugh at painful history than cry about it. How did the 2/3rds of the movie show how inferior black people are? Candy tried to prove it, but the events in the movie proved he was wrong. I saw intelligent black people beat ignorant white folks, and I saw black love conquer all. I saw a black couple ride off into the sunset as winners.
 

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[ame=http://youtu.be/CS34OiuNmG0]Bro. dikk Gregory On 'Django Unchained': "Spike Lee Is A Thug & A Punk." (1/13/2013) - YouTube[/ame]


OG broke it down :wow:
 

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The filled is film with jokes about slavery, and Blacks. The film begs the audience to laugh at slave ignorance and c00nery. It also wants us to laugh at how ridiculous those pale faces with hoods are...Asking us to find humor in a group that would go on to massacre, rape, oppress Blacks for the next 120 years.

A good 2/3 of the film is spent explaining why slaves are inferior to whites or are best compared to animals; even Django adopts this mentality under the German's request. I'm sure QT went through all the possible plot scenarios and found the mythical "mandingo fights" to suit his story the best but why not include some counter anti-slavery dialogue. I guess not even the slaves back then thought negroes were worth a damn in the head.:yeshrug:

In reality, white racists believed Black men were violent creatures that needed to be controlled. If said negro wasn't controlled or was freed, White families were in danger, particularly white women. No only does Django fulfill our modern angry Black man archetype to a T (understandably), he goes on a killing spree. Once Django obtains his "reward", he continues this killing spree and even takes out an innocent white woman, the pale face on that farm who was nice to his girl. :heh:

QT tried to sell Django as a Black hero:aicmon: The German was more disturbed by slavery than Django. Yeah yeah Django was used to it but that doesnt mean it shouldn't bother him. Django was more concerned with his wife than the slaves he went out his way to shyt on slaves to appease Candy. If QT wanted to make a Black hero, Django would've at least empathize with the other slaves. He would've made Django inadvertently spark a slave revolt, throwing everything Candy said about slaves back in his face. Django would've gained his own freedom and he would've killed Candy. Instead we have a White man freeing Django and destroying the man who is the sole cause of Django's pain. The White man giveth and taketh.:upsetfavre:

And I could go on:smugbiden:


you pretty much hit on every reason why Django wasn't a Great film but a Good film IMO.
 

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That's your interperation going into the movie with those feelings about white/black relations. You'd feel that way about how white people feel about us with or without the movie. In my opinion the movie showed the ignorance and savagery of white folks, and the intelligence and strength of black folks. I didn't see any slave ignorance outside of the house nikka who acted just like a house nikka should. I have no problem in finding the humor in painful events, you might disagree, but I'd rather laugh at painful history than cry about it. How did the 2/3rds of the movie show how inferior black people are? Candy tried to prove it, but the events in the movie proved he was wrong. I saw intelligent black people beat ignorant white folks, and I saw black love conquer all. I saw a black couple ride off into the sunset as winners.

:what:My interpretation? I'm giving a history lesson but I agreed. If I were ignorant of American/Black history I wouldn't have had a problem with how it portrayed race relationships. I wouldn't even talk bad about it (like Lincoln) if it werent for its soundtrack:scusthov: and editing :scusthov: It kept taking me out the film. I dont mind dark/gallows humor, i prefer it but in doing that you exploit the source material; its impossible not to. Thats what I'm getting at. One minute Django takes a serious look at slavery and the next its jokes. It cant be both the entire time.

The three "smartest" negroes in Django:
Broomhilda - learned German and literacy from her masters
Django & Uncle Sam- learned how to c00n from other whites
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:ohhh: I remeber now. Your the dude that likes to call people stupid while saying stupid shyt. Just like last time I refuse to engage with you because you are incapable of having a decent conversation without hurling insults. Good day sir.

Oh and your wrong about roots that was a totaly fictional story as well
You didn't forget who I was, this is the same thread. I even called you a "boot-licker" in the other post that you quoted. Im not calling you these things just to insult, i think the adjectives ive used to describe tou are quite accurate. You're just coppong a plea because you dont have anything intelligent to say. Go wash your p*ssy sensitive Sally. BTW It's "you're" as in you are, not your.

Haley may or may not have plagiarized for parts of Roots but that doesn't make the story totally fictional. The point was that it wast a movie that trivialized slavery by aiming to entertain the audience using comedy and over the top action.
 

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:what:My interpretation? I'm giving a history lesson but I agreed. If I were ignorant of American/Black history I wouldn't have had a problem with how it portrayed race relationships. I wouldn't even talk bad about it (like Lincoln) if it werent for its soundtrack:scusthov: and editing :scusthov: It kept taking me out the film. I dont mind dark/gallows humor, i prefer it but in doing that you exploit the source material; its impossible not to. Thats what I'm getting at. One minute Django takes a serious look at slavery and the next its jokes. It cant be both the entire time.

The three "smartest" negroes in Django:
Broomhilda - learned German and literacy from her masters
Django & Uncle Sam- learned how to c00n from other whites
:skip:

How does one learn a language if not from the people that speak it? Did you go to school? I'm sure you learned some stuff from white people, does that make you any less intelligent, or the stuff you learned any less important. Are you c00ning because you learned how to live within the confines of society?

Your interpretation of the movie has more to do with how you feel about real life than what was actually contained within the movie. You saw what was there, then you filled in the blanks with your opinion on race relations in America. You expected to see the white man triumph and black people loose. and that's what you saw. The white man had you beat before you even sat down to watch the movie. For the life of me i cant understand how you can see black people triumph yet scoff at it and say "well the white man taught him everything" you sound like Uncle Sam in the movie.
 

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You didn't forget who I was, this is the same thread. I even called you a "boot-licker" in the other post that you quoted. Im not calling you these things just to insult, i think the adjectives ive used to describe tou are quite accurate. You're just coppong a plea because you dont have anything intelligent to say. Go wash your p*ssy sensitive Sally. BTW It's "you're" as in you are, not your.

Haley may or may not have plagiarized for parts of Roots but that doesn't make the story totally fictional. The point was that it wast a movie that trivialized slavery by aiming to entertain the audience using comedy and over the top action.

Nah i didn't forget who you are, but your response reminded me that I decided not to entertain your ignorance. Not sensitive, I just don't see the need in hurling insults across the interwebs towards people I don't know.

As for the movie I disagree with you. I see no error in using real events to teach and entertain. If there were any big glaring inaccuracies, or stereotypes then yeah i would have a problem, but as it stands there was none of that.
 

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How does one learn a language if not from the people that speak it? Did you go to school? I'm sure you learned some stuff from white people, does that make you any less intelligent, or the stuff you learned any less important. Are you c00ning because you learned how to live within the confines of society?

Your interpenetration of the movie has more to do with how you feel about real life than what was actually contained within the movie. You saw what was there, then you filled in the blanks with your opinion on race relations in America. You expected to see the white man triumph and black people loose. and that's what you saw. The white man had you beat before you even sat down to watch the movie. For the life of me i cant understand how you can see black people triumph yet scoff at it and say "well the white man taught him everything" you sound like Uncle Sam in the movie.

I haven't read every post in here but am I correct in assuming you see this as a black empowerment movie?

Secondly, are you content with race relations in the U.S. today? Having this kind of interpretation of the movie leads me to believe you are.
 

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I haven't read every post in here but am I correct in assuming you see this as a black empowerment movie?

Secondly, are you content with race relations in the U.S. today? Having this kind of interpretation of the movie leads me to believe you are.

No I don't see it as a black empowerment movie. Black people won in the movie, but the movie itself does nothing to empower anyone.

And no I'm not happy with race relations today. But I'm not gonna read a bunch of negativity into the movie just because race relations are fukked in the real world. All of what people are saying to criticize the movie comes, from things outside the movie. There wasn't any negative stereotypes within the movie, but if you choose to interpret it from the lens that white people inherently have something bad to say, then sure you'll see a bunch of stuff to complain about. It's kinda like they say if you look for something you will find it. If you went in expecting negativity then that's what you saw.
 

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One of my favorite parts of the book was called Not Poor, Just Broke, especially when his grade school teacher tried to make him feel ashamed about his poor background.

Another book I recommend is No More Lies: The Myth And Reality Of American History.
 

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Nah i didn't forget who you are, but your response reminded me that I decided not to entertain your ignorance. Not sensitive, I just don't see the need in hurling insults across the interwebs towards people I don't know.

As for the movie I disagree with you. I see no error in using real events to teach and entertain. If there were any big glaring inaccuracies, or stereotypes then yeah i would have a problem, but as it stands there was none of that.
You're selectively sensitive. You're just using the insults as a copout because you argument in this debate is bullshyt. Like I said, I insulted you in the post that you quoted to re-engage me.

The problem here is that you're disingenuous. You clearly have an agenda here but you wont own up to it. You accuse of others of whining about the movie when it's you thats being overprotective of it. People can't even give a critique of the movie without you being defensive. You still can't even admit that the movie is exploitative when that's an undeniable fact. You can deny championing the movie as some kind of black empowerment movie, but it's clear that you are. "Black people won/Black people triumphed in the movie and y'all scoff at it". How in the world did black people win in Django? Django isn't a win for black people. Django is a win for Hollywood, QT, the white people who worked with him to make the movie, Dicaprio, and the other white actor that played "King".
 
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