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:foh:..your interpretation [if you have one] doesnt discredit mine...i dont know why you believe there are right and wrong answers to how someone should perceive things...and i definitely need you to show how im 'damaging to the plight black folks'...

Your interpretation was all emotional and not based on any logic at all other than the fact that you didn't like to see that white man palming that beautiful black booty. You hurt the plight of black people because you hold us back from talking about real issues, while you bellyache about made up ones. Black actors have it hard enough in Hollywood we should support them and anyone who's willing to give them a respectful roll. By acting all sensitive an pointing fingers you lessen the chances of black actors getting more rolls, and movie studios funding more black movies.
 

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Better for who? :heh:

I thought we were talking about it being better in the direction of the country being honest about slavery.

Let me know when it's graduated to something better. All of that "bellyaching and pointing fingers"....I don't get that.

I just see nothing coming out of those conversations other than niqqas feeling good for having those conversations with white folks.

How can the country have a better conversation about racism and the affects of slavery if we are all running around pointing fingers calling people racists? That's not how you start a conversation and its not how you fix a problem, it's childish and emotional and it serves no purpose in moving black people forward.
 

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How can the country have a better conversation about racism and the affects of slavery if we are all running around pointing fingers calling people racists? That's not how you start a conversation and its not how you fix a problem, it's childish and emotional and it serves no purpose in moving black people forward.


You put yourself in that bruh. I say most people are ill equipped to be a racist.

I don't get this faux how to start a conversation instruction manual angle you're going. It has ZERO to do with our discussion.
 

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That guy is a boot-licker. He's been all through this thread defending Django from any non positive take on the movie. He's been even trying to defend it from the truth. He's happy being patronized and pet on the head. "We should thank this white man for exploiting slavery to sell his movie, at least it started a conversation". I'm still waiting on someone to point me to where all these white people are having open and honest conversations about slavery/race.
:usure: and you have yet to point out how this movie is so "exploitative" your another one who just doesn't want white people to touch our history, so you come up with all these bogus excuses as to why the movie was so bad for black people. And I never said we should thank anyone, I said we should take control of the conversation and point it in the correct direction, instead of running around all emotional calling people racists.
 

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You put yourself in that bruh. I say most people are ill equipped to be a racist.

I don't get this faux how to start a conversation instruction manual angle you're going. It has ZERO to do with our discussion.

You said the django discussion was inadequate. I said we can make it adequate if we focus on what's real and not who's booty QT is grabbing. It's that simple
 

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You said the django discussion was inadequate. I said we can make it adequate if we focus on what's real and not who's booty QT is grabbing. It's that simple


So it's the fault of black people calling things racist that we can't have an honest conversation about race? :rudy:

Whites feel they're victims of racism more than black folks in this country now :laff: , yet you're putting that yoke on us?

:smh:
 

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So it's the fault of black people calling things racist that we can't have an honest conversation about race? :rudy:

Whites feel they're victims of racism more than black folks in this country now :laff: , yet you're putting that yoke on us?

:smh:

No it's not our fault, but it's us that's gonna have to drive the conversation. We have to take control and we can't do that if we are worrying about who said nikka.
 

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:usure: and you have yet to point out how this movie is so "exploitative" your another one who just doesn't want white people to touch our history, so you come up with all these bogus excuses as to why the movie was so bad for black people. And I never said we should thank anyone, I said we should take control of the conversation and point it in the correct direction, instead of running around all emotional calling people racists.
I've explained to you over and over how the movie exploits slavery. You simply defend QT and the movie with that "well..... It doesn't exploit slavery anymore so than other movies exploit historical events" nonsense. Why don't you explain why you don't think that the movie exploits slavery? Django is a fictional modern day blaxploitation slave revenge flick. The purpose of this film is to entertain for profit, not educate to try and improve race relations. If you dont think that the dolls are a clear example of how this movie exploits slavery then nothing will get through to you. You're going to defend this movie regardless.
 

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I've explained to you over and over how the movie exploits slavery. You simply defend QT and the movie with that "well..... It doesn't exploit slavery anymore so than other movies exploit historical events" nonsense. Why don't you explain why you don't think that the movie exploits slavery? Django is a fictional modern say blaxploitation slave revenge flick. The purpose of this film is to entertain for profit, not educate to try and improve race relations. If you dont think that the dolls are a clear example of how this movie exploits slavery then nothing will. You're going to defend this movie regardless.

It doesn't exploit slavery because it doesn't tell any glaring fallacies or support any negative stereotypes. Just saying "he's making a profit so it exploitation" is a weak argument. Movies are made to make money and if your premise is correct then people should quit making and selling movies because someone is always getting exploited. By your definition Roots exploited slavery as well. You said he should have made a documentary, well that would be exploitative as well according to you. I've never heard a claim that this movies purpose was to educate, from day one I've known the movie was made to entertain, nothing more nothing less.

I think the dolls are in bad taste, but I think you dudes are hypocritical cause in one case you complain that QT the media or the entertainment industry didn't treat this movie the same as inglorious basterds, but on the other hand you wanna complain that this movie got the same dolls as inglorious basterds.

To me it's just a bunch of emotional complaints that have no real basis and logic and offer no advantage to black people or our struggles. The complaints are distractions and just fodder for white people to claim reverse racism.

Edit: and you also should go read up on what a blaxploitation flick is. This movie is far from that.
 
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Your interpretation was all emotional and not based on any logic at all other than the fact that you didn't like to see that white man palming that beautiful black booty. You hurt the plight of black people because you hold us back from talking about real issues, while you bellyache about made up ones. Black actors have it hard enough in Hollywood we should support them and anyone who's willing to give them a respectful roll. By acting all sensitive an pointing fingers you lessen the chances of black actors getting more rolls, and movie studios funding more black movies.



an emotional response to a piece of art is null????...i thought my feelings of the photo was some emotion some reasoning but my interpretation shouldnt have to be right or logical for it to acceptable...i wasnt trying to be right i was giving an opinion...most people caint even see my post so i cant be guilty of that horseshyt you accusing me of...
 

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an emotional response to a piece of art is null????...i thought my feelings of the photo was some emotion some reasoning but my interpretation shouldnt have to be right or logical for it to acceptable...i wasnt trying to be right i was giving an opinion...most people caint even see my post so i cant be guilty of that horseshyt you accusing me of...

You are not the only one that reacts to things that way, or makes those types of statements. Those type of distractions are all too common in our community when I say you or we I'm talking ALL of us no one person in particular.
 
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You are not the only one that reacts to things that way, or makes those types of statements. Those type of distractions are all too common in our community when I say you or we I'm talking ALL of us no one person in particular.



your enjoyment of the film [moving pictures] is emotion not logic so i dont see why you had to say something to me for responding with some emotion to a still picture...
 

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your enjoyment of the film [moving pictures] is emotion not logic so i dont see why you had to say something to me for responding with some emotion to a still picture...

Because as your fellow black man, I don't see your emotion as beneficial to you or black people as a whole. You quoted me with an opinion, so I quoted you back with my opinion. Isn't that what we are here for?
 

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It doesn't exploit slavery because it doesn't tell any glaring fallacies or support any negative stereotypes. Just saying "he's making a profit so it exploitation" is a weak argument. Movies are made to make money and if your premise is correct then people should quit making and selling movies because someone is always getting exploited. By your definition Roots exploited slavery as well. You said he should have made a documentary, well that would be exploitative as well according to you. I've never heard a claim that this movies purpose was to educate, from day one I've known the movie was made to entertain, nothing more nothing less.
How is that argument weak when it's the truth? The definition of exploit is to make use of something to one's own advantage. QT decided to make use of slavery to sell his movie. The difference between Roots and Django is that Roots is based on real life people and events. Haley spent 10 years researching his family tree to write Roots. Django is just a fictional action movie using slavery as the backdrop. The argument for the movie exploiting slavery isn't weak, it's factual. Your excuses and ignorance is what is weak. You not thinking that there are any glaring fallacies regarding slavery(which is up for debate btw) has nothing to with whether it exploits slavery or not.

I never said that QT should have made a documentary. This is Amerikkka, he's well within his rights here. What he should or shouldn't do isnt up for me to decide. You asked me how could he have done a project about slavery without exploiting it, and my answer was "by making a non-profit uncompromising documentary".

I think the dolls are in bad taste, but I think you dudes are hypocritical cause in one case you complain that QT the media or the entertainment industry didn't treat this movie the same as inglorious basterds, but on the other hand you wanna complain that this movie got the same dolls as inglorious basterds.
Stop lumping everyone that you disagree with together as if we are all saying the same things, it's weak and lazy. I haven't said one word about Inglorious b*stards. Again, you keep trying to defend Django from the truth by bringing up other shyt to try and cloud the issue. This isn't about Inglorious b*stards or any other movie, this is about Django. This isnt about whether or not you think that the dolls are in bad taste either. I'm saying that the dolls are a clear example of how the movie exploits slavery.

To me it's just a bunch of emotional complaints that have no real basis and logic and offer no advantage to black people or our struggles. The complaints are distractions and just fodder for white people to claim reverse racism.

Edit: and you also should go read up on what a blaxploitation flick is. This movie is far from that.
There's nothing emotional about stating the truth, or rational personal opinions. I'll tell you what is emotional, the way you're bending over backwards to lick boots. Your need to cape and save QT and his movie from anybody who has something not necessarily positive to say about it is very telling. It's funny how you accuse people of being illogical when it's obvious that you're about as bright as a dim light bulb. I have no choice but to question your intelligence after reading your posts. Take how you try and check me for calling Django a blaxploitation flick for example. You can't be serious.


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