Spike Lee Goes in: "Django is disrespectful to my ancestors".....

[NYC Rebel]

Not reaching for any strawmen. Just pointing out the un-focused criticism that you claimed people were ignoring just to talk about the word nikka. In this thread alone the criticisms have been all over the place and some of them don't even make logical sense.

I agree with you that the movie wasn't deep. It was essentially as you described it. But the discourse the movie has inspired is deep. Slavery and its legacy has been talked about more in this last month than it has been in a long time, and I think that's a good thing.

You are reaching trying to tell me "Just say you don't like the fact that a white man wrote and directed a movie about slavery and quit with all the extra shenanigans."

I think I can speak for myself. Nothing about the movie's discourse is changing the shape of how children are being educated about the practice of chattel slavery in their school books, or changing how states are pushing these sanitized versions of slavery onto our kids. Its just a five minute discussion that too many people are making out to be groundbreaking and game changing.

Let's stop with the nonsense regarding these short lived conversations that result in little to no action.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You are reaching trying to tell me "Just say you don't like the fact that a white man wrote and directed a movie about slavery and quit with all the extra shenanigans."

I think I can speak for myself. Nothing about the movie's discourse is changing the shape of how children are being educated about the practice of chattel slavery in their school books, or changing how states are pushing these sanitized versions of slavery onto our kids. Its just a five minute discussion that too many people are making out to be groundbreaking and game changing.

Let's stop with the nonsense regarding these short lived conversations that result in little to no action.

Having a conversation is better than not having one. Maybe if we actualy focus on having the conversation at hand instead of crying about who said nikka, then something can be done. We can't move to actualy make an impact on how slavery is depicted in school because we are to caught up in complaining about trivial stuff.

 

[ℒine ☈acks]

People don't have a real focused critiscizm of the film. First it was " he puts the word nikka in his films too much" then it was "he didn't say kike in inglorious basterds" then it was "the movie wasn't historicaly accurate" then it changed to" the movie disrespects my ancestors" and "the movie is exploitative, he shoulda made a documentary" y'all even posted a picture of him with a black woman as if that was inappropriate or proof of something. and most recently the a arguments become "I just don't like the movie, why are you defending it so much?" the shyts becoming comical.

Just say you don't like the fact that a white man wrote and directed a movie about slavery and quit with all the extra shenanigans.

@the bold: the photo seems to express white domination over black flesh...the nekkid black woman is meant to show she is sexually available and if you recognize her from the role she played in django unchained it also means promiscuity...since all this shyt is considered 'art' i can interpret it how i want--...

 

[mastermind]

the movie wasnt even that great for us to be attributing these things too.

The main star of the movie wasnt even Django.

Its a very overrated movie.

And while I disagree with Spike Lee criticizing the movie without seeing it, the people hyping this movie up to be a defining moment for black people in cinema are also lost.

Its just an entertaining movie. THats it.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

@the bold: the photo seems to express white domination over black flesh...the nekkid black woman is meant to show she is sexually available and if you recognize her from the role she played in django unchained it also means promiscuity...since all this shyt is considered 'art' i can interpret it how i want--...

Exactly my point. Y'all will reach just to find some negativity no matter how illogical it is. People like you are more damaging to the plight of black folks than QT will ever be

 

[daze23]

Stevie Wonder is a musical genius!

*wipes nose*

 

[NYC Rebel]

Exactly my point. Y'all will reach just to find some negativity no matter how illogical it is. People like you are more damaging to the plight of black folks than QT will ever be

Dog....you formed and shaped your own interpretation of what others interpenetrated from that photo.

Even if they did feel that way....so what?

My interpretation, when being MY OWN spokesman, of that photo says nothing more to me that dude head is getting too big where he think he's so down to the point that he can pose like he's a 70's black man in film he so much love.

Regardless, that movie wasn't even great and is being overrated as something "deep." You dudes are making it deeper than what it is.

It's Kill Bill with black people and a teacher who played a longer role.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Dog....you formed and shaped your own interpretation of what others interpenetrated from that photo.

Even if they did feel that way....so what?

My interpretation, when being MY OWN spokesman, of that photo says nothing more to me that dude head is getting too big where he think he's so down to the point that he can pose like he's a 70's black man in film he so much love.

Regardless, that movie wasn't even great and is being overrated as something "deep." You dudes are making it deeper than what it is.

It's Kill Bill with black people and a teacher who played a longer role.

what? I didn't make up anything, dude came in and offered up that nonsense without any provocation. I wasn't speaking on your interperatation because while I disagree with it, at least it's logical and reasonable.

As for the movie. When have I ever said it was deep? I've agreed with you multiple times in this thread that it was basically just an action movie set in slavery times. The only thing I've said is that all these conspiracy theories about QT and his racist agenda are just hogwash and distractions from the real conversation that could be had in reaction to this movie

 

[NYC Rebel]

what? I didn't make up anything, dude came in and offered up that nonsense without any provocation. I wasn't speaking on your interperatation because while I disagree with it, at least it's logical and reasonable.

As for the movie. When have I ever said it was deep? I've agreed with you multiple times in this thread that it was basically just an action movie set in slavery times. The only thing I've said is that all these conspiracy theories about QT and his racist agenda are just hogwash and distractions from the real conversation that could be had in reaction to this movie

Let me re-word that. I said the at least it started a conversation was pretty much nothing but a five minute conversation that people have put WAY too much value into.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Let me re-word that. I said the at least it started a conversation was pretty much nothing but a five minute conversation that people have put WAY too much value into.

And I said a five minute conversation is better than no conversation at all. If we focus on having the conversation instead of searching for and pointing out negativity maybe the conversation can be longer, but either way bellyaching and pointing fingers helps us in no way at all. At least the success of the movie might have directors more inclined to make movies with/for black folks. But as long as we act all sensitive and point fingers, that will never happen.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Its just an entertaining movie. THats it.

totally agree.

you got nikkaz cysing and making it out to be the 2nd coming of Roots

then you got the nikkaz that are just saying it was trash.


It was a good entertaining movie. Blaxploitation slave revenge action comedy.

Most of the use of nikka in the movie was along the lines of Blazing Saddles

 

[ℒine ☈acks]

Exactly my point. Y'all will reach just to find some negativity no matter how illogical it is. People like you are more damaging to the plight of black folks than QT will ever be

:foh:..your interpretation [if you have one] doesnt discredit mine...i dont know why you believe there are right and wrong answers to how someone should perceive things...and i definitely need you to show how im 'damaging to the plight black folks'...

 

[NYC Rebel]

And I said a five minute conversation is better than no conversation at all. If we focus on having the conversation instead of searching for and pointing out negativity maybe the conversation can be longer, but either way bellyaching and pointing fingers helps us in no way at all. At least the success of the movie might have directors more inclined to make movies with/for black folks. But as long as we act all sensitive and point fingers, that will never happen.

Better for who?

I thought we were talking about it being better in the direction of the country being honest about slavery.

Let me know when it's graduated to something better. All of that "bellyaching and pointing fingers"....I don't get that.

I just see nothing coming out of those conversations other than niqqas feeling good for having those conversations with white folks.

 

[mastermind]

totally agree.

you got nikkaz cysing and making it out to be the 2nd coming of Roots

then you got the nikkaz that are just saying it was trash.


It was a good entertaining movie. Blaxploitation slave revenge action comedy.

Most of the use of nikka in the movie was along the lines of Blazing Saddles

im not convinced it should have been nominated for an Oscar, but thats another argument.

But I enjoyed the movie. The bullshyt around it is what bothers me.

 

[Gravity]

:foh:..your interpretation [if you have one] doesnt discredit mine...i dont know why you believe there are right and wrong answers to how someone should perceive things...and i definitely need you to show how im 'damaging to the plight black folks'...

That guy is a boot-licker. He's been all through this thread defending Django from any non positive take on the movie. He's been even trying to defend it from the truth. He's happy being patronized and pet on the head. "We should thank this white man for exploiting slavery to sell his movie, at least it started a conversation". I'm still waiting on someone to point me to where all these white people are having open and honest conversations about slavery/race.