Spike Lee Goes in: "Django is disrespectful to my ancestors".....

[Stone Cold]

whats the issue?

only problem I see is my hand not cupping her ass

No really is it some type of black women choosing a white man commentary on this :who:

whats understood dont need to be explained

 

[MostReal]

You posted this like you have done something. Explain how what's being said in this clip refutes anything that I've said since you felt the need to call me out. All Gregory is doing here is stating his opinion. He accuses Spike of having some kind of agenda when it's obvious that he has an agenda against Spike. All respect due, but his reasoning for championing QT and the movie is just as pathetic as the reasoning I've seen in here.

Where's the evidence thats this movie creates positive honest discourse about slavery on any kind of large scale? That's a bunch of BS. People in this conversation/thread cant even be honest about the movie and how it exploits slavery. It's one thing to "like" the movie, but don't try and make QT some kind of hero by acting like this movie is more than what it is. You people are something else.

All I can tell you is my personal experience, I know at work co-workers and I have discussed this movie at length as well as on line i.e. this site & a good number of articles I've read

Whether you like Django's post-modern take on slavery or not, one of its most salutary effects is that it has generated a greater conversation about the enslavement of our ancestors than any that I have witnessed perhaps since Roots. Because our society has long been in denial about African American slavery--America's original sin--since well-before its abolition, I would hope we all might agree that this is a very good thing, a necessary discussion that is long overdue.

How Accurate is Django Unchained? On Riding Horses, Mandingo Fighting and Dogs Eating Slaves
this article also covers the accuracy & inaccuracies of the film.

or this one

Instead of steering away from political correctness, he dives headfirst into the nitty-gritty center, exposing many of our insecurities and prejudices as a nation. And it is there that thoughtful dialogue can be reached.
Refusal to acknowledge our unique histories ultimately serves no one.
So invite a group of friends, or that girl/guy you spent the first two classes staring at, and go see “Django.” Let the comedic scenes ease you into comfort and the brutal ones spark reflection, and later discuss.

http://www.depauliaonline.com/opinions/django-unchained-freeing-americans-from-political-correctness-1.2971152#.UPX42ie5N2k

 

[Gravity]

All I can tell you is my personal experience, I know at work co-workers and I have discussed this movie at length as well as on line i.e. this site & a good number of articles I've read



How Accurate is Django Unchained? On Riding Horses, Mandingo Fighting and Dogs Eating Slaves
this article also covers the accuracy & inaccuracies of the film.

or this one


Django Unchained: Freeing Americans from political correctness - Opinions - The DePaulia - The student newspaper of DePaul University

Point me to the actual productive conversations though. Don't just show me articles that are written by individual people saying that the movie will spark productive dialogue about race, show me some examples of these conversations being had by whites about slavery and race relations. This isn't even true for this site, none of the Django threads here would qualify as productive conversations about race. People being moved by some of the violence and brutality isn't necessarily sparking a dialogue about race. White people are still on that "yea slavery was bad, but it wasn't me and it's over now anyway so get over it" type stuff. You can't even some black people to be honest about race let alone whites. The movie is entertainment, period. It's not changing anything, it perpetuates the status quo.

 

[OsO]

The problem is people like you aren't just saying you didn't like the movie from an entertainment standpoint. Some people are saying the movie was disrespectful and exploitative. People are calling QT racist and the black actors sheep for playing along. And claiming that the movie takes us back as a community. That goes beyond saying if you liked the movie or not, and that is what the debate has been about, not the quality of the movie.

not only that but the one brotha even said there were no intelligent black people in the movie...


cmon fam

 

[Rapmastermind]

Conan goes in on Django Dolls:

Deon Cole on NECA's Django dolls - YouTube

 

[Ice Water]

I watche the film recently, and I honestly don't see what's so disrepectful. In those times the word n*gger came out of white's mouths like water out of a faucet.

 

[69 others]

just watched it a didn't see a problem with the film it's a movie i didn't expect it to be historically accurate or whatever people wanted it to be.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

I watche the film recently, and I honestly don't see what's so disrepectful. In those times the word n*gger came out of white's mouths like water out of a faucet.

I mean, it was literally what every white person called a black person. Most white folks probably would be seen as "sympathizers" or lovers of blacks if they treated them with any amount of respect.

 

[NYC Rebel]

I mean, it was literally what every white person called a black person. Most white folks probably would be seen as "sympathizers" or lovers of blacks if they treated them with any amount of respect.

Why is it that the debate over the N-Word is "THE" argument over Django? I had zero issue with that. That's far from the sole issue many have about the film.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Why is it that the debate over the N-Word is "THE" argument over Django? I had zero issue with that. That's far from the sole issue many have about the film.

it's the only criticisms I've seen other than the fact that the movie contains comedic elements to it.

 

[NYC Rebel]

it's the only criticisms I've seen other than the fact that the movie contains comedic elements to it.

It's the only highlighted criticism that's bandied about.

It seems like it's intentionally talked about in order to mask other more legitimate criticisms about the film.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

It's the only highlighted criticism that's bandied about.

It seems like it's intentionally talked about in order to mask other more legitimate criticisms about the film.

What are the legitimate criticisms from your perspective? And do you think Tarantino did thee things on purpose, or that it was a subsequent interpretation by viewers with preconceived notions?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

It's the only highlighted criticism that's bandied about.

It seems like it's intentionally talked about in order to mask other more legitimate criticisms about the film.

People don't have a real focused critiscizm of the film. First it was " he puts the word nikka in his films too much" then it was "he didn't say kike in inglorious basterds" then it was "the movie wasn't historicaly accurate" then it changed to" the movie disrespects my ancestors" and "the movie is exploitative, he shoulda made a documentary" y'all even posted a picture of him with a black woman as if that was inappropriate or proof of something. and most recently the a arguments become "I just don't like the movie, why are you defending it so much?" the shyts becoming comical.

Just say you don't like the fact that a white man wrote and directed a movie about slavery and quit with all the extra shenanigans.

 

[NYC Rebel]

People don't have a real focused critiscizm of the film. First it was " he puts the word nikka in his films too much" then it was "he didn't say kike in inglorious basterds" then it was "the movie wasn't historicaly accurate" then it changed to" the movie disrespects my ancestors" and "the movie is exploitative, he shoulda made a documentary" y'all even posted a picture of him with a black woman as if that was inappropriate or proof of something. and most recently the a arguments become "I just don't like the movie, why are you defending it so much?" the shyts becoming comical.

Just say you .....

I stopped reading after this.

You need to stop trying to speak for me.

I brought up that picture and tied it to his comments about giving black people a hero and the paternalism he's displaying.

I think I said that....so please....stop reaching for a manufactured straw man to debate.

I didn't think the film was very good and was nothing but Kill Bill with black skin and a teacher taking longer than usual to help his student. Niqqas just enjoy making it seem "deep"

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I stopped reading after this.

You need to stop trying to speak for me.

I brought up that picture and tied it to his comments about giving black people a hero and the paternalism he's displaying.

I think I said that....so please....stop reaching for a manufactured straw man to debate.

I didn't think the film was very good and was nothing but Kill Bill with black skin and a teacher taking longer than usual to help his student. Niqqas just enjoy making it seem "deep"

Not reaching for any strawmen. Just pointing out the un-focused criticism that you claimed people were ignoring just to talk about the word nikka. In this thread alone the criticisms have been all over the place and some of them don't even make logical sense.

I agree with you that the movie wasn't deep. It was essentially as you described it. But the discourse the movie has inspired is deep. Slavery and its legacy has been talked about more in this last month than it has been in a long time, and I think that's a good thing.