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Movie doesn't look that bad actually. I don't know if there will be beef with this film but there may be if they water down the real racism Jackie had to endure. It seems like from the trailer they didn't but I have to see the film before I judge. I don't know if this will be a hit at the box office though cause again sadly some whites don't want to be reminded of that time when it comes to Black people so they may skip it. Also Black America Bio Pictures don't do as well from "Malcolm X, Ray, Bird, etc".
 

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The problem is people like you aren't just saying you didn't like the movie from an entertainment standpoint. Some people are saying the movie was disrespectful and exploitative. People are calling QT racist and the black actors sheep for playing along. And claiming that the movie takes us back as a community. That goes beyond saying if you liked the movie or not, and that is what the debate has been about, not the quality of the movie.


Actually the debate is about the quality of the movie and if it's exploitative. Considering Hollywood has a TERRIBLE history of exploitation when it comes to Blacks and cinema, it's a valid criticism if some Blacks feel the movie is exploitative considering Hollywood's previous history. You can have more than one debate. My opinion is that the movie was Decent and there were exploitative things about it including the selling of the Dolls. Like I said, 100% of the Black Community is not going to support this movie. Also I've never said anything about QT being a racist or the Actors being sheep. So you didn't get that from me. My opinion in this thread had to do with Slavery and how it's portrayed in Hollywood and Film. I did said that QT has OD on the N-word and he has.
 

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My take on the film is its a good film, bordering on greatness but didn't quite achieve that (all the tools were there to make it so though).

Kill Bill is still my most favorite QT film.

What is great about the film is that it creates discourse about the horrors of slavery & I appreciate that.
 

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My take on the film is its a good film, bordering on greatness but didn't quite achieve that (all the tools were there to make it so though).

Kill Bill is still my most favorite QT film.

What is great about the film is that it creates discourse about the horrors of slavery & I appreciate that.

This is coming from the point of view of a non-black man, but I was more disturbed by the images and horrors of slavery in this film than I was with all other ones I have seen.

And I left the film and got home and spent a lot of time reading about slavery, from the standpoint of the actual physical cruelty inflicted on human beings. "Hot Box", staged fights, etc..

I realized I had read more on what happened in the Holocaust or Japan's occupation of China in regards to systematic violence and torture than I had about my own country's.

But I know most people didn't walk away in the same way.
 

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This is coming from the point of view of a non-black man, but I was more disturbed by the images and horrors of slavery in this film than I was with all other ones I have seen.

And I left the film and got home and spent a lot of time reading about slavery, from the standpoint of the actual physical cruelty inflicted on human beings. "Hot Box", staged fights, etc..

I realized I had read more on what happened in the Holocaust or Japan's occupation of China in regards to systematic violence and torture than I had about my own country's.

But I know most people didn't walk away in the same way.


This is actually something one of my white friends told me. I'm happy you were enlighten to research so if the movie did that, then great. With that said it only accents that Slavery has been watered down in American History which is basically with Mr. Gregory was saying in his comments. Our History books do not tell the full truth and kids in school are being lied to and denied the true history of Slavery cause America didn't want to look back. America had 2 Holocaust with what happen to the Natives and Slavery. But both have been watered down in our history. What happen to the Natives was genocide and what happen to the Blacks was cruel. As for the disturbing images. Watch the beginning of "Amistad" on that ship, ish like that happen.
 

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This is actually something one of my white friends told me. I'm happy you were enlighten to research so if the movie did that, then great. With that said it only accents that Slavery has been watered down in American History which is basically with Mr. Gregory was saying in his comments. Our History books do not tell the full truth and kids in school are being lied to and denied the true history of Slavery cause America didn't want to look back. America had 2 Holocaust with what happen to the Natives and Slavery. But both have been watered down in our history. What happen to the Natives was genocide and what happen to the Blacks was cruel. As for the disturbing images. Watch the beginning of "Amistad" on that ship, ish like that happen.

I've watched Amistad and Roots at school. I've watched a lot of films on the subject, and I honestly think QT pushed the limit in showing the cruelty and it made an impact on me personally.

The worst part about the film honestly was the hot box. No violence involved but just the concept of absolute torture, mentally and physically. It made me uncomfortable, and I don't get uncomfortable watching a lot of things, especially things I know not to be real footage.

I do think you're right about American education in general, ESPECIALLY towards the Natives. This is the same in Brazil as well. Like I said on an earlier thread though, I grew up learning a lot about African-American history in school, and I was introduced to Amistad and Roots through there, as well as the Autobiography of Malcolm X but I grew up in South Florida.
 

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This dude here....
 

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You posted this like you have done something. Explain how what's being said in this clip refutes anything that I've said since you felt the need to call me out. All Gregory is doing here is stating his opinion. He accuses Spike of having some kind of agenda when it's obvious that he has an agenda against Spike. All respect due, but his reasoning for championing QT and the movie is just as pathetic as the reasoning I've seen in here.

What is great about the film is that it creates discourse about the horrors of slavery & I appreciate that.
Where's the evidence thats this movie creates positive honest discourse about slavery on any kind of large scale? That's a bunch of BS. People in this conversation/thread cant even be honest about the movie and how it exploits slavery. It's one thing to "like" the movie, but don't try and make QT some kind of hero by acting like this movie is more than what it is. You people are something else.
 
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You posted this like you have done something. Explain how what's being said in this clip refutes anything that I've said since you felt the need to call me out. All Gregory is doing here is stating his opinion. He accuses Spike of having some kind of agenda when it's obvious that he has an agenda against Spike. All respect due, but his reasoning for championing QT and the movie is just as pathetic as the reasoning I've seen in here.

Where's the evidence thats this movie creates positive honest discourse about slavery on any kind of large scale? That's a bunch of BS. People in this conversation/thread cant even be honest about the movie and how it exploits slavery. It's one thing to "like" the movie, but don't try and make QT some kind of hero by acting like this movie is more than what it is. You people are something else.

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:whoa: whats the issue?

only problem I see is my hand not cupping her ass :hula:

No really is it some type of black women choosing a white man commentary on this :who:
 

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:whoa: whats the issue?

only problem I see is my hand not cupping her ass :hula:

No really is it some type of black women choosing a white man commentary on this :who:


Dog...I gave no motives as to why I posted that pick= and I most certainly don't care who that chick picks. I don't know who she is other than the obscure role she played in that movie.

But QT in this pic, and along with him saying he's giving us black folks black heroes....so much of this is bordering on paternal.
 
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