Spike Lee Goes in: "Django is disrespectful to my ancestors".....

[Rapmastermind]

It's already been posted that the people that did the dolls have done it for all qt movies and its for collectors not for toys r us

I don't like these dolls but personally I put it at the same level of stupidity and exploitation as black people going to Paris and performing a song called nikkas in Paris in front of white people, it's so obtuse

The Django Dolls are disrespectful. "N!@@as in Paris" is a song about two wealthy black men that came from humble beginnings, living the life in Paris. Plenty of Blacks have traveled overseas. The Django Dolls are disrespectful to the History of Slavery. This was one movie that there shouldn't be no collector's items. You analogy doesn't work. Jay and KanYe are both well respected and loved in the Black Community more than Quentin Tarantino is.

The b*stards Dolls were not the slaves like Broomhilda who was tortured, whipped and was forced into prostitution. Django was also a slave. Candie was a slave master. QT as the director or the Weinstein Brothers should of known better. It's just poor taste and it was amazing to see how many at first was quick to defend it instead of really looking at it objectively. It's terrible taste on so many levels and outrage is warranted.

 

[Gravity]

It's already been posted that the people that did the dolls have done it for all qt movies and its for collectors not for toys r us

I don't like these dolls but personally I put it at the same level of stupidity and exploitation as black people going to Paris and performing a song called nikkas in Paris in front of white people, it's so obtuse

What a silly stupid comparison. This is something that Rush Limbaugh or Sean Gannity would say. "but but buy Kanye and Jay Z made a song called nikkas in Paris".

 

[theworldismine13]

The Django Dolls are disrespectful. "N!@@as in Paris" is a song about two wealthy black men that came from humble beginnings, living the life in Paris. Plenty of Blacks have traveled overseas. The Django Dolls are disrespectful to the History of Slavery. This was one more that there shouldn't be no collector's items. You analogy doesn't work. Jay and KanYe are both well respected and loved in the Black Community more than Quentin Tarantino is.

The b*stards Dolls were not the slaves like Broomhilda who was tortured, whipped and was forced into prostitution. Django was also a slave. Candie was a slave master. It's just poor taste and it was amazing to see how many at first was quick to defend it instead of really looking at it objectively. It's terrible taste on so many levels and outrage is warranted.

I'm not defending the dolls, but the dolls are consistent with what was done before so it seems it's just regular Hollywood commerce not anything specific to django

But I agree on the surface the idea of dolls and children playing with them is a horrible idea but its not clear that is what the dolls are for

nikkas in Paris is an exploitation of a word that came from slavery, but like the dolls it's "normal"

Jay and kanye are well respected in the black community? Lmao, yeah I guess they are, I don't really think about it that way

But some black people including me thought what jay and kanye did was disrespectful

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

really you guys are seeing some of what you want to see.

Bingo. Some of these posters in here...they're not stupid. But they're being dishonest or willfully ignorant about the movie to try to reduce it to something that fits their preconceived talking points.

 

[theworldismine13]

What a silly stupid comparison. This is something that Rush Limbaugh or Sean Gannity would say. "but but buy Kanye and Jay Z made a song called nikkas in Paris".

i think qt's exploitation of the word nikka and black culture in general is equivalent to the same exploitation you see in rap music, it's the same difference imo and its the same corporate structure behind both

 

[Gravity]

i think qt's exploitation of the word nikka and black culture in general is equivalent to the same exploitation you see in rap music, it's the same difference imo and its the same corporate structure behind both

One thing has nothing to do with the other. There's no comparing the movie Django and the selling of slave dolls with a song like nikkas in Paris. I agree that corporations exploit Hiphop but that's irrelevant to this conversation. A song like NIP wouldn't be an example of how hiphop has been exploited anyway. Your comparison is silly, invalid.

 

[theworldismine13]

One thing has nothing to do with the other. There's no comparing the movie Django and the selling of slave dolls with a song like nikkas in Paris. I agree that corporations exploit Hiphop but that's irrelevant to this conversation. A song like NIP wouldn't be an example of how hiphop has been exploited anyway. Your comparison is silly, invalid.

exploitation of inner city culture in the music industry is irrelevant to the conversation about the exploitation of african slaves in hollywood

you can't be serious

 

[Gravity]

exploitation of inner city culture in the music industry is irrelevant to the conversation about the exploitation of african slaves in hollywood

you can't be serious

Yes it is, it's a completely different conversation. We are taking about exploitation of one of the worst atrocities in human history. That's a completely different conversation than what happens in the music industry. Everybody gets exploited in the music industry, not just black people. The white boys in country music are being exploited too. If only you were half as smart as you think you are.

 

[theworldismine13]

Yes it is, it's a completely different conversation. We are taking about exploitation of one of the worst atrocities in human history. That's a completely different conversation than what happens in the music industry. Everybody gets exploited in the music industry, not just black people. The white boys in country music are being exploited too. If only you were half as smart as you think you are.

so in other words its all the same thing, its just a matter of degree

if i am understanding you correctly the exploitation you see in the music industry is just what it is but you draw the line at exploiting slavery? is that what you are saying?

 

[Gravity]

so in other words its all the same thing, its just a matter of degree

if i am understanding you correctly the exploitation you see in the music industry is just what it is but you draw the line at exploiting slavery? is that what you are saying?

I'm speaking plain English man. I chose the words in my post for a reason, if I wanted to use other words then I would've done so.

No you didn't understand me correctly so I'll reiterate. Exploitation in the music industry is completely irrelevant to this conversation regarding the movie Django and it's exploitation of slavery.

 

[theworldismine13]

I'm speaking plain English man. I chose the words in my post for a reason, if I wanted to use other words then would've done so.

No you didn't understand me correctly so I'll reiterate. Exploitation in the music industry is completely irrelevant to this conversation regarding the movie Django and it's exploitation if slavery.

ok thanks for sharing, i just point blank disagree, i think its very much related, in fact its the exact same thing and the exact same forces behind rap music are the same forces in the making django

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Will there ever be a time in which making a about slaves is acceptable?

As atrocious of a time it was, it still is a part of history, and people like writing stories/movies about history.

Every other time in history has stories/books/toys etc referencing them so why is it exploitative when it comes to slavery?

Is there a way QT or any other director could have made the Django movie, and it not be exploitative? How?

 

[NYC Rebel]

Will there ever be a time in which making a about slaves is acceptable?

As atrocious of a time it was, it still is a part of history, and people like writing stories/movies about history.

Every other time in history has stories/books/toys etc referencing them so why is it exploitative when it comes to slavery?

Is there a way QT or any other director could have made the Django movie, and it not be exploitative? How?

Quilombo


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091816/

Man...they even had the slaves speaking my family language (Yoruba) trying to retain their past.

Great movie...

 

[Gravity]

ok thanks for sharing, i just point blank disagree, i think its very much related, in fact its the exact same thing and the exact same forces behind rap music are the same forces in the making django

It's not the same and I just explained the difference. Django is a movie that exploits slavery, one of the worst institutions in man's history. Exploitation regarding the music industry is of a completely different form. We aren't talking about Hollywood producing yet another cookie-cutter movie that perpetuates negative "black" stereotypes. We are talking about Hollywood producing a modern day blaxploitation slave revenge flick complete with action figures to go along with it. It's two different types of exploitation. Django doesn't really perpetuate negative black stereotypes, but it does exploit slavery by using it as a means to sell a movie, thus trivializing it. The dolls are just in your face racism in my opinion, completely insensitive.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Quilombo


Quilombo (1986) - IMDb

Man...they even had the slaves speaking my family language (Yoruba) trying to retain their past.

Great movie...

obviously I haven't seen the movie, but if QT had django standing on the cover looking like that y'all would be up in arms about that too.

From a quick google search I see this movie is set in South America and is about freed slaves, building a society for themselves, not exactly a comparable premise to django, but I'll play along.

What makes this movie not exploitative? Aren't the directors profiting off these people pain and their story? Why is this acceptable in this movie and not in django?

Could a totaly fictional movie be made about these times that wouldn't be offensive? How?