Spike Lee Goes in: "Django is disrespectful to my ancestors".....

[MeachTheMonster]

It's not the same and I just explained the difference. Django is a movie that exploits slavery, one of the worst institutions in man's history. Exploitation regarding the music industry is of a completely different form. We aren't talking about Hollywood producing yet another cookie-cutter movie that perpetuates negative "black" stereotypes. We are talking about Hollywood producing a modern day blaxploitation slave revenge flick complete with action figures to go along with it. It's two different types of exploitation. Django doesn't really perpetuate negative black stereotypes, but it does exploit slavery by using it as a means to sell a movie, thus trivializing it. The dolls are just in your face racism in my opinion, completely insensitive.

So are all movies that use history as a backdrop/plot point exploitative? Or just those involving slavery?

Are movies about serial killers exploiting the victims? What about war movies, are they exploiting soldiers?

 

[theworldismine13]

It's not the same and I just explained the difference. Django is a movie that exploits slavery, one of the worst institutions in man's history. Exploitation regarding the music industry is of a completely different form. We aren't talking about Hollywood producing yet another cookie-cutter movie that perpetuates negative "black" stereotypes. We are talking about Hollywood producing a modern day blaxploitation slave revenge flick complete with action figures to go along with it. It's two different types of exploitation. Django doesn't really perpetuate negative black stereotypes, but it does exploit slavery by using it as a means to sell a movie, thus trivializing it. The dolls are just in your face racism in my opinion, completely insensitive.

if they are simply 2 different types of exploitation then they are related, they are both part of the conversation regarding exploitation of black people,

that according to you django or the dolls are "different" or that you think slavery is an untouchable subject is just a matter of degree, that wouldn't separate it from a conversation about exploitation of black people in general because its the same basic mechanism and corporate structure at play

 

[Gravity]

So are all movies that use history as a backdrop/plot point exploitative? Or just those involving slavery?

Are movies about serial killers exploiting the victims? What about war movies, are they exploiting soldiers?

Do you know what the word "exploit" means? Once you find out the definition you'll be able to answer these questions yourself.

if they are simply 2 different types of exploitation then they are related, they are both part of the conversation regarding exploitation of black people,

that according to you django or the dolls are "different" or that you think slavery is an untouchable subject is just a matter of degree, that wouldn't separate it from a conversation about exploitation of black people in general because its the same basic mechanism and corporate structure at play

You have a hard time comprehending simple stuff. I don't think that exploitation in the music industry is about race. Everybody is exploited in the music industry, not just black people in hiphop. The music industry exploits hiphop by only highlighting a somewhat watered down formulaic version of it and milking it for all it's worth. It does the exact same thing with other genres. The issue regarding Django and it's exploitation of slavery is a completely different conversation. You're trying to conflate the 2 issues because of some agenda. Hiphop has nothing to do with this. Like I said, you're like all the people who tried to use hiphop as a scapegoat to excuse Imus.

 

[NYC Rebel]

obviously I haven't seen the movie, but if QT had django standing on the cover looking like that y'all would be up in arms about that too.

From a quick google search I see this movie is set in South America and is about freed slaves, building a society for themselves, not exactly a comparable premise to django, but I'll play along.

What makes this movie not exploitative? Aren't the directors profiting off these people pain and their story? Why is this acceptable in this movie and not in django?

Could a totaly fictional movie be made about these times that wouldn't be offensive? How?

At this point, you're going to all ends to put a movie you didn't see into the same category as a movie you're defending in Django. That's all this is.

Watch the film first before coming to these questions. Seriously....you're simply being defensive now.

If I was one who said "Django is exploitive. Django is profiting off of people pain." I'd see your counter point.

I don't recall that being my argument for this to be some sort of counter point regarding this movie.

This movie was much more detailed when it came to the nuances and complexities of slavery.

 

[theworldismine13]

You have a hard time comprehending simple stuff. I don't think that exploitation in the music industry is about race. Everybody is exploited in the music industry, not just black people in hiphop. The music industry exploits hiphop by only highlighting a somewhat watered down formulaic version of it and milking it for all it's worth. It does the exact same thing with other genres. The issue regarding Django and it's exploitation of slavery is a completely different conversation. You're trying to conflate the 2 issues because of some agenda. Hiphop has nothing to do with this. Like I said, you're like all the people who tried to use hiphop as a scapegoat to excuse Imus.

are you even reading your own words? you cant use the word exploitation in reference to the music industry and use the word exploitation in the movie industry and then say they arent related, thats retarded

and the same thing you said about the music industry applies to the movie industry. the movie industry is constantly taking historical events and using them to entertain audiences, so why should slavery be special, using your logic what makes you think there is anything racial in exploiting slavery when hollywood is always exploiting history just like musical genres are exploited

if the industry made collectible dolls of kill bill and inglorious b*stards why wouldnt they do it for django?

if you think exploitation of slavery is crossing the line, thats fine, you are entitled to that opinion, but you are not entitled to say its a fact that the exploitation of slavery in django and the dolls is completely different than the exploitation of other historical events or that its unrelated to the exploitation in the music industry, its self evident that all those things are related to each other

I don't think that exploitation in the music industry is about race.

this is a statement, its just like wow, are you serious? and you are comparing me to rush limbaugh?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Do you know what the word "exploit" means? Once you find out the definition you'll be able to answer these questions yourself

exploit[ ik-sploit ]
verb (used with object)
1. to utilize, especially for profit; turn to practical account: to exploit a business opportunity.
2. to use selfishly for one's own ends: employers who exploit their workers.

how does django fit this discription, and other movies dealing with history not?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

At this point, you're going to all ends to put a movie you didn't see into the same category as a movie you're defending in Django. That's all this is.

Watch the film first before coming to these questions. Seriously....you're simply being defensive now.

If I was one who said "Django is exploitive. Django is profiting off of people pain." I'd see your counter point.

I don't recall that being my argument for this to be some sort of counter point regarding this movie.

This movie was much more detailed when it came to the nuances and complexities of slavery.

I said I don't think this movie is comparable to django. First off django is a totaly fictional story with slaves as characters. The movie didn't attempt to touch on the nuances of slavery.

I don't need to see the movie to know the directors profited off these peoples story. That's what all movies that deal with history do

If you don't belive django was exploitative then why did you respond to post asking about a non-exploitative slavery movie? You brought up this movie and categorized it as an acceptable django, not me

So I ask again

Will there ever be a time in which making a about slaves is acceptable?

As atrocious of a time it was, it still is a part of history, and people like writing stories/movies about history.

Every other time in history has stories/books/toys etc referencing them so why is it exploitative when it comes to slavery?

Is there a way QT or any other director could have made the Django movie, and it not be exploitative? How?

 

[Gravity]

how does django fit this discription, and other movies dealing with history not?

If you can't answer that question for yourself then you're not smart enough for me to engage. Ive never said that no other movies fit the description. Is this thread about Django or a group of other movies?

are you even reading your own words? you cant use the word exploitation in reference to the music industry and use the word exploitation in the movie industry and then say they arent related, thats retarded

No, your reading comprehension skill level is just extremely low. There are numerous forms of exploitation and they're not all related. Student athletes are exploited in this country. Is that form of exploitation related to exploitation in the music industry too? You're a clown.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

If you can't answer that question for yourself then you're not smart enough for me to engage. Ive never said that no other movies fit the description. Is this thread about Django or a group of other movies?No, your reading comprehension skill level is just extremely low. There are numerous forms of exploitation and they're not all related. Student athletes are exploited in this country. Is that form of exploitation related to exploitation in the music industry too? You're a clown.

so your argument has no basis in logical reality so you resort to calling people stupid




the irony

 

[theworldismine13]

No, your reading comprehension skill level is just extremely low. There are numerous forms of exploitation and they're not all related. Student athletes are exploited in this country. Is that form of exploitation related to exploitation in the music industry too? You're a clown.

again yes it is, as far as black people are concerned the exploitation of student athletes is related to the exploitation in the music industry

its nutty that you cant connect the dots, once you look at it through a racial lens the connections become obvious but then again you dont think race is related to the exploitation of hip hop, your blindness is mind boggling

 

[Gravity]

so your argument has no basis in logical reality so you resort to calling people stupid




the irony

Well you do seem to be stupid. I doubt that you even understand what my argument here is, and I'm basing that on those dumb questions you've asked.

again yes it is, as far as black people are concerned the exploitation of student athletes is related to the exploitation in the music industry

its nutty that you cant connect the dots, once you look at it through a racial lens the connections become obvious but then again you dont think race is related to the exploitation of hip hop, your blindness is mind boggling

So what's the relationship between how student athletes are exploited compared to musicians? I would have to be nutty to connect your dots.

 

[theworldismine13]

So what's the relationship between how student athletes are exploited compared to musicians? I would have to be nutty to connect your dots.

the exploitees are black and the exploiters are white, thats how they are related, and if you are black you should be equally concerned about exploitation of black people, black culture or anything black in music, sports or movies, not just when people make some dolls

you need to stop it, i dont think anybody can take anything you say seriously after you said exploitation in hip hop is not race related

 

[Rapmastermind]

This thread is about Django and if Spike's comments were correct that it exploits slavery. Dudes are bringing in Rap Music which has nothing to do with the history of racism in Hollywood. This thread again is about Hollywood, Racism and how we are portrayed on film. Bringing up "N@@as in Paris" is ducking and dodging what this thread is about. The Django dolls are exploitive period, there's no spinning it. Nobody was debating wither Blacks were exploited in other areas cause that's not what we are talking about. This entire thread deals with Hollywood and Racism.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Well you do seem to be stupid. I doubt that you even understand what my argument here is, and I'm basing that on those dumb questions you've asked.

You said django exploits slavery. So I asked is there something in particular about django that was exploitative, or are all movies dealing with history exploitative.

You said yourself that the movie didn't reinforce any negative stereotypes, so how is it exploitative?

You can't answer these questions because your argument is based on emotions, not logic.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

This thread is about Django and if Spike's comments were correct that it exploits slavery. Dudes are bringing in Rap Music which has nothing to do with the history of racism in Hollywood. This thread again is about Hollywood, Racism and how we are portrayed on film. Bringing up "N@@as in Paris" is ducking and dodging what this thread is about. The Django dolls are exploitive period, there's no spinning it. Nobody was debating wither Blacks were exploited in other areas cause that's not what we are talking about. This entire thread deals with Hollywood and Racism.

Will there ever be a time in which making a about slaves is acceptable?

As atrocious of a time it was, it still is a part of history, and people like writing stories/movies about history.

Every other time in history has stories/books/toys etc referencing them so why is it exploitative when it comes to slavery?

Is there a way QT or any other director could have made the Django movie, and it not be exploitative? How?