Futuristic Eskimo
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If you possessed any capacity to read, you would know I have never said that once. I share @Napoleon 's view on geopolitics. Keep up the prolific posting though
U think the EU and US are there for democracy....
Sooo....no talk on Kiev's gradual descent into Mad Max beyond Thunderdome status??
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You apparently can't read. You're really in here saying nothing, you don't have an argument, no facts, nothing.
Nothing but prevarications time and time again.
Anyone who disagrees with the foreign policy should move? Why can't they stay and make their efforts to change the policy?
at this Digga dude, and his complete misunderstanding of the political actors angles, long term goalsUkrainian soldiers ain't even get to vote 
You're not even disagreeing with foreign policy.
Thats the point
Not everything has to wait until people start shooting.
This is how diplomacy works. TO PREVENT this shyt...but then people who don't understand whats at stake will sit on the sides and cry foul at how "the rich/powerful/etc" are just doing shyt.
NO
shyt.
This is about resources, influence, and power.
Its what all conflicts are about.
Thats why all the ex-soviet states aren't clinching their ass muscles, right?
U think the EU and US are there for democracy....
shyt has everyone on alert
Watch...theres another Russian area on the coast of Poland that people predict will be a problem area too...
Ukrainian government refuses to remove troops from Crimea, prepares for war
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March 17, 2014, 5:30 p.m. | Ukraine — by Isaac Webb
Ukraine's Defence Minister Igor Tenyukh speaks during the cabinet of the ministers sittings in Kiev on March 16, 2014. Crimeans voted on March 16 in a unique referendum on breaking away from Ukraine to join Russia that has precipitated a Cold War-style security crisis on Europe's eastern frontier. Ukraine's new government and most of the international community except Russia have said they will not recognise a result expected to be overwhelmingly in favour of immediate secession. AFP PHOTO/ YURY KIRNICHNY
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“Crimea was, is, and will be our territory,” said Defense Minister Ihor Tenyukh in a statement delivered at the Ukrainian Crisis Media Center on March 17.
Former heavyweight boxing champion and leader of the Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform Vitali Klitschko announced that Ukrainian troops would remain at their bases, even after March 21, the end of a peace treaty signed by the interior ministries of Ukraine and Russia.
In accordance with the March 16 peace treaty, the Russian Interior Ministry promised to allow Ukrainian soldiers to pass freely into and out of their bases, which Russian troops had surrounded for more than two weeks. Tenyukh said that the Russian military had thus far respected the terms of the treaty.
Although tensions have de-escalated around military bases in Crimea since the signing of the treaty, neither side is prepared to back down. The Russian government expects that Ukrainian troops will surrender their military bases before the conclusion of the treaty. The Ukrainian government has said that it will not withdraw forces from Crimea, using the peace as an opportunity to replenish supplies for Ukrainian troops stationed on Crimean bases.
When asked whether Ukrainian troops would fight to defend Crimea, Tenyukh replied tersely, “The armed forces will execute their tasks, ” later adding, “Ukrainian forces will stay [in Crimea] until all their tasks have been completed.”
Speaking to the Verkhovna Rada in the evening on March 17, Ukrainian President Oleksandr Turchynov said that his government would "do everything possible to prevent war." However, he noted that "the threat of war is real...We are strengthening our defense capacity. Ukraine is ready to defend its territory."
Earlier on March 17, the Ukrainian parliament voted to allot 6.7 billion hryvnia (more than $600 million) to bolster the country’s defenses over the next three months, and to partially mobilize the armed forces.
Tenyukh said that the mobilization was intended to bring the military to “full readiness.” The Verkhovna Rada called for 40,000 troops to be mobilized, calling on reservists to prepare for active duty.
As the Ukrainian economy teeters on the verge of default, the country’s top leaders have been forced to devote resources to bolstering Ukraine’s military, which many believe former President Victor Yanukovich intentionally undermined over the course of his three and a half year reign.
Klitschko said Ukrainian parliamentarians were prepared to send 25 percent of their salaries to “support patriots in Crimea.”
Pavlo Petrenko, Ukraine’s Justice Minister, said that the “the most important issue is to restore the military might of Ukraine.”
“Our army should be ready for combat,” said Petrenko.
Klitschko reiterated that the March 16 referendum in Crimea was conducted illegally, and that the peninsula remains “part and parcel” of Ukraine. As such, the Ukrainian government will continue to provide services to Crimea, including electricity, gas, and water.
In another indication of deteriorating relations between Ukraine and Russia, Klitschko announced that Volodymyr Yelchenko, the Ukrainian ambassador to Russia, would be recalled from Moscow for consultations with the newly formed government in Kyiv.
The escalation in rhetoric comes as pro-Kremlin Crimean leaders took the first steps towards integration into the Russian Federation.
The Crimean Supreme Council voted on March 17 to introduce Moscow time to Crimea on March 30. On the same day, Crimean leaders announced that the Russian ruble would begin circulating alongside the Ukrainian hryvnia and would become the only currency in Crimea by Jan. 1.
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March 17, 2014, 5:30 p.m. | Ukraine — by Isaac Webb
Ukraine's Defence Minister Igor Tenyukh speaks during the cabinet of the ministers sittings in Kiev on March 16, 2014. Crimeans voted on March 16 in a unique referendum on breaking away from Ukraine to join Russia that has precipitated a Cold War-style security crisis on Europe's eastern frontier. Ukraine's new government and most of the international community except Russia have said they will not recognise a result expected to be overwhelmingly in favour of immediate secession. AFP PHOTO/ YURY KIRNICHNY
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“Crimea was, is, and will be our territory,” said Defense Minister Ihor Tenyukh in a statement delivered at the Ukrainian Crisis Media Center on March 17.
Former heavyweight boxing champion and leader of the Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform Vitali Klitschko announced that Ukrainian troops would remain at their bases, even after March 21, the end of a peace treaty signed by the interior ministries of Ukraine and Russia.
In accordance with the March 16 peace treaty, the Russian Interior Ministry promised to allow Ukrainian soldiers to pass freely into and out of their bases, which Russian troops had surrounded for more than two weeks. Tenyukh said that the Russian military had thus far respected the terms of the treaty.
Although tensions have de-escalated around military bases in Crimea since the signing of the treaty, neither side is prepared to back down. The Russian government expects that Ukrainian troops will surrender their military bases before the conclusion of the treaty. The Ukrainian government has said that it will not withdraw forces from Crimea, using the peace as an opportunity to replenish supplies for Ukrainian troops stationed on Crimean bases.
When asked whether Ukrainian troops would fight to defend Crimea, Tenyukh replied tersely, “The armed forces will execute their tasks, ” later adding, “Ukrainian forces will stay [in Crimea] until all their tasks have been completed.”
Speaking to the Verkhovna Rada in the evening on March 17, Ukrainian President Oleksandr Turchynov said that his government would "do everything possible to prevent war." However, he noted that "the threat of war is real...We are strengthening our defense capacity. Ukraine is ready to defend its territory."
Earlier on March 17, the Ukrainian parliament voted to allot 6.7 billion hryvnia (more than $600 million) to bolster the country’s defenses over the next three months, and to partially mobilize the armed forces.
Tenyukh said that the mobilization was intended to bring the military to “full readiness.” The Verkhovna Rada called for 40,000 troops to be mobilized, calling on reservists to prepare for active duty.
As the Ukrainian economy teeters on the verge of default, the country’s top leaders have been forced to devote resources to bolstering Ukraine’s military, which many believe former President Victor Yanukovich intentionally undermined over the course of his three and a half year reign.
Klitschko said Ukrainian parliamentarians were prepared to send 25 percent of their salaries to “support patriots in Crimea.”
Pavlo Petrenko, Ukraine’s Justice Minister, said that the “the most important issue is to restore the military might of Ukraine.”
“Our army should be ready for combat,” said Petrenko.
Klitschko reiterated that the March 16 referendum in Crimea was conducted illegally, and that the peninsula remains “part and parcel” of Ukraine. As such, the Ukrainian government will continue to provide services to Crimea, including electricity, gas, and water.
In another indication of deteriorating relations between Ukraine and Russia, Klitschko announced that Volodymyr Yelchenko, the Ukrainian ambassador to Russia, would be recalled from Moscow for consultations with the newly formed government in Kyiv.
The escalation in rhetoric comes as pro-Kremlin Crimean leaders took the first steps towards integration into the Russian Federation.
The Crimean Supreme Council voted on March 17 to introduce Moscow time to Crimea on March 30. On the same day, Crimean leaders announced that the Russian ruble would begin circulating alongside the Ukrainian hryvnia and would become the only currency in Crimea by Jan. 1.
Got this from a comment section:
These sanctions are tougher than you think-- and it's only the beginning.
First off, three of these seven have tens of millions abroad. The NSA and DC know exactly which assets, what accounts, and where. The banks already were told not to transfer liquid assets out, or what will happen to the banks is what happened to UBS of Switzerland.
Second, these seven (there will be more) cannot go to London, Paris, Geneva, Munich, Gstaad, or Chamonix. They cannot send their children to private schools abroad-- and those who have children in such schools (two of the seven, plus two more who were planning to send children abraod), will have to take them back home, because the kids' school visas will be cancelled too.
Third, another list is being prepared-- of about 50 folks. These will understand that their own assets will soon be frozen (they already are-- the assets can be used abroad, but not moved), and their kids will not be able to study abroad-- or even travel.
This that an ever larger number of the "Nomenklatura" know that if they follow Putin, they PERSONALLY will suffer, as will their families.
And there are other such PERSONAL measures that are being planned. Here is a hint:
The Turkish PM Erdogan was helping Iran, and going against the US in the Mid East. The US ground its teeth, and bore it silently. Then Erdogan overstepped: He said he'd buy missiles from the Chinese, and connect them to the NATO network-- for which, he will give the Chinese NATO's IFF (plane i.d.) codes...
Within a week, Erdogan's political enemies got recordings of Erdogan talking about bribes, his bribed cronies got their Swiss bank accounts published, and Erdogan is now fighting for his political life.
Similarly, the CIA/NSA know all the dirty financial corruption details of the top Russian politicians. So long as the Russkies don't overstep, they are allowed to rob their own people. But if Putin oversteps, all kinds of data and recordings will start finding their way to the web.
And other personal stuff too. Dirtier stuff.
Wait and see...
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/russians-sanctioned-by-white-house-2014-3#ixzz2wGpSQEcV
These sanctions are tougher than you think-- and it's only the beginning.
First off, three of these seven have tens of millions abroad. The NSA and DC know exactly which assets, what accounts, and where. The banks already were told not to transfer liquid assets out, or what will happen to the banks is what happened to UBS of Switzerland.
Second, these seven (there will be more) cannot go to London, Paris, Geneva, Munich, Gstaad, or Chamonix. They cannot send their children to private schools abroad-- and those who have children in such schools (two of the seven, plus two more who were planning to send children abraod), will have to take them back home, because the kids' school visas will be cancelled too.
Third, another list is being prepared-- of about 50 folks. These will understand that their own assets will soon be frozen (they already are-- the assets can be used abroad, but not moved), and their kids will not be able to study abroad-- or even travel.
This that an ever larger number of the "Nomenklatura" know that if they follow Putin, they PERSONALLY will suffer, as will their families.
And there are other such PERSONAL measures that are being planned. Here is a hint:
The Turkish PM Erdogan was helping Iran, and going against the US in the Mid East. The US ground its teeth, and bore it silently. Then Erdogan overstepped: He said he'd buy missiles from the Chinese, and connect them to the NATO network-- for which, he will give the Chinese NATO's IFF (plane i.d.) codes...
Within a week, Erdogan's political enemies got recordings of Erdogan talking about bribes, his bribed cronies got their Swiss bank accounts published, and Erdogan is now fighting for his political life.
Similarly, the CIA/NSA know all the dirty financial corruption details of the top Russian politicians. So long as the Russkies don't overstep, they are allowed to rob their own people. But if Putin oversteps, all kinds of data and recordings will start finding their way to the web.
And other personal stuff too. Dirtier stuff.
Wait and see...
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/russians-sanctioned-by-white-house-2014-3#ixzz2wGpSQEcV
This Russian Exclave Has Poland Worried About What Putin Will Do Next
JEREMY BENDER
MAR. 16, 2014, 8:38 AM 23,153 41
Russian forces poured into the strategic Black Sea region under the pretext of protecting ethnic Russians from "lawlessness," setting a dangerous precedent for the Kremlin's intervention in the region.
Nadia Diuk, the vice president at the National Endowment for Democracy, explained on PBS Newshour why Poland is particularly concerned right now:
"There’s a place called Kaliningrad, which is kind of in between Lithuania and — and Poland right now, and that is actually part of Russia that could be a staging ground for all sorts of incursions. So — and as well, Poland, I think, traditionally has suffered a lot from Russian overreach, so not surprising that they would be worried right now."
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A map highlighting Kaliningrad in red.
Kaliningrad was originally a part of Germany until its annexation by the Soviet Union in 1945. During the Cold War, Kaliningrad was one of the most militarized and closed off sections of the USSR.
Today, Kaliningrad is of extreme strategic value as it hosts the Russian Baltic Fleet in the port of Baltiysk — Russia's sole ice-free European port. Kaliningrad is also home to the Chernyakhovsk and Donskoye air bases. It is uncertain how many soldiers Russia has in the region; however, short-range mobile ballistic missiles have also been deployed in Kaliningrad since at least 2012.
Poland has been on edge ever since Russian accusations that it had set-up and encouraged militant training camps for Euromaidan protestors. According to these allegations, snipers during the protests were acting under Polish and American orders.
A alleged Russian saboteur has already been detained in eastern Ukraine. He is being charged with planting explosives and preparing other acts of diversion in an attempt to justify Russian action in the region.
Last week, fearing a possible spread of the Ukrainian conflict, Poland invoked a NATO rule allowing for military consultations between allies if it felt under threat.
The United States has since increased military exercises with Poland. It has also supplied additional aircraft to the Baltic States to augment a NATO patrol force there.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/poland-worried-over-ukraine-kaliningrad-2014-3#ixzz2wGq3FX6X
JEREMY BENDER
MAR. 16, 2014, 8:38 AM 23,153 41
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Russian forces poured into the strategic Black Sea region under the pretext of protecting ethnic Russians from "lawlessness," setting a dangerous precedent for the Kremlin's intervention in the region.
Nadia Diuk, the vice president at the National Endowment for Democracy, explained on PBS Newshour why Poland is particularly concerned right now:
"There’s a place called Kaliningrad, which is kind of in between Lithuania and — and Poland right now, and that is actually part of Russia that could be a staging ground for all sorts of incursions. So — and as well, Poland, I think, traditionally has suffered a lot from Russian overreach, so not surprising that they would be worried right now."
www.google.com
A map highlighting Kaliningrad in red.
Kaliningrad was originally a part of Germany until its annexation by the Soviet Union in 1945. During the Cold War, Kaliningrad was one of the most militarized and closed off sections of the USSR.
Today, Kaliningrad is of extreme strategic value as it hosts the Russian Baltic Fleet in the port of Baltiysk — Russia's sole ice-free European port. Kaliningrad is also home to the Chernyakhovsk and Donskoye air bases. It is uncertain how many soldiers Russia has in the region; however, short-range mobile ballistic missiles have also been deployed in Kaliningrad since at least 2012.
Poland has been on edge ever since Russian accusations that it had set-up and encouraged militant training camps for Euromaidan protestors. According to these allegations, snipers during the protests were acting under Polish and American orders.
A alleged Russian saboteur has already been detained in eastern Ukraine. He is being charged with planting explosives and preparing other acts of diversion in an attempt to justify Russian action in the region.
Last week, fearing a possible spread of the Ukrainian conflict, Poland invoked a NATO rule allowing for military consultations between allies if it felt under threat.
The United States has since increased military exercises with Poland. It has also supplied additional aircraft to the Baltic States to augment a NATO patrol force there.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/poland-worried-over-ukraine-kaliningrad-2014-3#ixzz2wGq3FX6X
Shout out to them alphabet boys and Obama. It is amazing how deep this goes. Unbelievable
Now the question is how would this relate to Russia foreign policies??? Putin could give a fukk less about half those people and criminals.
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The thing with Kaliningrad is Russia would have to ship or fly all of the necessary stuff in and the US would be looking for it. When they have deployed missiles there in the past the US knew immediately.
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The people being targeted are Russian ministers and Putin's supporters...