Sony stan Explains why Gamepass and MS/Activision merger is bad for the industry

[Wild self]

Sony sold 150 million PS2s Nintendo and Microsoft sold under 50 million consoles combined that generation. Where were these concerned for the industry people then? When one company was controlling 75% of the home console market nobody said shyt.

The concern isnt about the industry its about who dominates it. When Sony dominates and uses those advantages to engage in anti-consumer behavior and anti-competitive behavior flat out ignores the other companies in the field because they're so far ahead that's fine but if another company even sniffs the possibility of becoming more competitive it's a problem.

You know what happens when a company dominates the status quo for too long? Intel. AMD is eating their lunch now and Intel is scrambling to fix deficiencies they developed not having to really compete with anybody. Companies need real competition to stay on their grind.

At this point, M$ is making Sony act all out of character with buying out companies and poking at the money hatting processes since the PS2 era. Sony's ultimate goal is to be the ONLY console maker and charge $1200 per console when the competition is gone.

 

[levitate]

Sony sold 150 million PS2s Nintendo and Microsoft sold under 50 million consoles combined that generation. Where were these concerned for the industry people then? When one company was controlling 75% of the home console market nobody said shyt.

Comically disingenuous argument.
Sony was the leader based on the strength of their games and the carry-over success of the original PlayStation. They weren’t out there buying up major third-party publishers/developers to gain market share. Not even comparable to what MS is doing now.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Comically disingenuous argument.
Sony was the leader based on the strength of their games and the carry-over success of the original PlayStation. They weren’t out there buying up major third-party publishers/developers to gain market share. Not even comparable to what MS is doing now.

Xbox stans aren’t to be reasoned with. They don’t care about none of that, all they care about is xbox beating sony after they were made to look like fools for buying an xbox one.

They’re like spider-man villains, all they care about is winning

Their real beef should be with microsoft for giving up on them last gen though.

 

[FromStLouis]

Seems hypocritical to cry foul on Game Pass and then allow free-to-play games on your platform.

F2P games that accounted for 85% of all revenue in the video game industry in 2019.

Wouldn't that fit your definition of undercutting? Why would Sony do that? Fortnite?



Also, video games and their 4-5 year development cycles are unlike anything Amazon produces.

Sony has a nice little window, right now, before Starfield drops, to get their games out.

Horizon, God Of War. What's the problem?

 

[The Mad Titan]

People gotta stop trying to personify these multi billion dollar mega corporations. Especially if it’s not a tongue in cheek way. Microsoft as a whole is such a large conglomerate that them making big moves in any space right now is cause for alarm. They aren’t just another gaming company or software company they are a large entity that can easily devour any competition it has through sheer spending power.

It’s what the guy in the OP is insinuating, like walmart did back in the day to mom and pop shops or what amazon is doing now with all of brick and mortar. Thats why they are being reviewed by the FTC and why they are actually a looming threat not just in gaming but tech in general.

Theres no way to really know how severe the effects of massive consolidation will be in the long run. Microsoft said it themselves nintendo and sony can’t hurt gaming, only big tech can. Nintendo and sony have existed together since the mid 90’s and things have pretty much been the same for almost 30 years, now microsoft is changing trajectory with these big mergers.

You are slowly changing your tune. At one point in time MS was a non factor, 3rd place in the industry that didn't have games and would fail and leave the game industry.

The ironic thing is that you act like sony wasn't mega corporation when it came into the gaming industry revolutionized gaming with Cd's, they even said screw the deal with nintendo and made there own system. These outside corporations of have been the only ones able to get into the gaming space since the master system and NES.


MS has released 4 systems and is finally spending big money on 1st party acquisitions, Sony didn't release a single system came in the game, dropped cd format and was buying companies since PS1/2 while nintendo hasn't....

But not MS is buying stuff and "it might be a problem"

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

You are slowly changing your tune. At one point in time MS was a non factor, 3rd place in the industry that didn't have games.

No, that is still applicable

 

[The Mad Titan]

Comically disingenuous argument.
Sony was the leader based on the strength of their games and the carry-over success of the original PlayStation. They weren’t out there buying up major third-party publishers/developers to gain market share. Not even comparable to what MS is doing now.

Sony has been buying companies since they came in the game.

 

[levitate]

Sony has been buying companies since they came in the game.

Name a single third party publisher/developer that they’ve purchased on the scale of Zenimax or ActiBlizz…

 

[Bathing Ape]

 

[winb83]

I'm really not sure what you were trying to say with this post, breh. This started off with shytting on Sony as if they didn't spend the entire PS3 cycle and the beginning of the PS4 cycle trying to shed the perception of them being arrogant weirdos due to them being so dominant in the PS2 cycle, just to agree with my original point that the consumer wins when there's true competition, and that no one company should grow too powerful. You wanna try again, or are you just venting about what you don't like about Sony?

I'm not venting about anything nor am I shytting on anybody. The point stands that when Sony holds 70ish percent of the market and Microsoft holds maybe 30% it's all good. If Microsoft makes a move to become more competitive people are losing their shyt over it.

Sony spent the whole PS3 generation in that position because their dominance lead to hubris and they thought they could dictate to the market what to accept. It wasn't some organic situation brought about from consumers because they cared that the PS2 was imbalanced compared to the others. If the PS3 comes out at $399 instead of $599 none of that happens.

These people ringing these concerned alarms aren't slick. Their concern is about who dominates not the fact that anybody dominates. As long as the status quo is preserved they're pleased.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

I'm not venting about anything nor am I shytting on anybody. The point stands that when Sony holds 70ish percent of the market and Microsoft holds maybe 30% it's all good. If Microsoft makes a move to become more competitive people are losing their shyt over it.

Sony spent the whole PS3 generation in that position because their dominance lead to hubris and they thought they could dictate to the market what to accept. It wasn't some organic situation brought about from consumers because they cared that the PS2 was imbalanced compared to the others. If the PS3 comes out at $399 instead of $599 none of that happens.

These people ringing these concerned alarms aren't slick. Their concern is about who dominates not the fact that anybody dominates. As long as the status quo is preserved they're pleased.

It would have been dope if microsoft just managed to put out great games over the last 12 years

They’re in the place they are in because they failed to build out their first party studios and 3rd party relationships

 

[winb83]

Comically disingenuous argument.
Sony was the leader based on the strength of their games and the carry-over success of the original PlayStation. They weren’t out there buying up major third-party publishers/developers to gain market share. Not even comparable to what MS is doing now.

Where do you think Naughty Dog came from? Insomniac? You think Sony hired all those employees and assembled those companies internally?

You're talking about scale when in terms of revenue Xbox purchasing Activision Blizzard and ZeniMax still doesn't make them as big as Sony. Both companies purchased companies to help achieve growth.

 

[Killer Instinct]

U don’t wanna war with me @Gizmo_Duck im a neutral entity but I hear you

Is that another phrase for "weird fakkit?"

 

[levitate]

Where do you think Naughty Dog came from? Insomniac? You think Sony hired all those employees and assembled those companies internally?

You're talking about scale when in terms of revenue Xbox purchasing Activision Blizzard and ZeniMax still doesn't make them as big as Sony. Both companies purchased companies to help achieve growth.

Naughty Dog and Insomniac were MAJOR third party publishers on par with Zenimax and ActiBlizz? Those companies were essentially 2nd party to begin with.

 

[The Mad Titan]

Name a single third party publisher/developer that they’ve purchased on the scale of Zenimax or ActiBlizz…

10 pennies still adds up to a dime.

They have been purchasing companies while others weren't in the game or just didn't for two decades now. All the while people are asking were the exclusives at, on top of that Sony has been purchasing exclusivity and time exclusivity aggressively. now they make a big purchase and people are like this is not good for the industry