So the longshoremen are about to go on strike on the East and Gulf coasts.

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

These people aren't working 90 hours a week in any/all weather.

You got IB's at top firms with fancy Ivy League degrees doing 90/week. Not in inclement weather.....but they also had to clear more hurdles to get the job.

They still clear 3x the average household income...something like that. Optics look bad. Timing looks worse. Only working class white boys and brehs in trades are going to feel sorry for them.

 

[the cac mamba]

fukk this criminal

 

[the cac mamba]

They will when it starts to hurt the American people directly. There’s a lot careers out there that directly influence life in America and you would never know until it’s a threat to halt

An example is my job as an Air Traffic Controller. It’s illegal for us to strike so I’m not advocating it, but there was a government shutdown couple years ago and people were wondering what was gonna be the straw to finally bring it to the table.. eventually a handful of controllers in a few areas in DC and Jacksonville centers called in sick and there were massive delays and it was all over the news. Few hours after that the government came to the table and said they’d agree to something

Certain careers have power and flex their muscle and you’ll see why they get paid what they do.

they're literally making the case that they should be replaced with robots, who won't hold the economy hostage

good luck

 

[the cac mamba]

These people aren't working 90 hours a week in any/all weather.

the union version of "90/hours week" comes out to about 45-50 tops

unions abuse overtime like crazy. everyone knows that

 

[Shadow King]

You got IB's at top firms with fancy Ivy League degrees doing 90/week. Not in inclement weather.....but they also had to clear more hurdles to get the job.

They still clear 3x the average household income...something like that. Optics look bad. Timing looks worse. Only working class white boys and brehs in trades are going to feel sorry for them.

I'm not sure what IB means, but like you said, they're not in inclement weather, and they're not working with dangerous equipment or spaces for those hours. More hurdles is also subjective, and getting the job doesn't guarantee work for a few years.

Most people who would be angry about them wanting more money are those who aren't willing to do what they do. If longshoremen worked a 40 hour week they'd be nowhere near that. Like I said to the dummy I'm about to foolish respond to again, they're underpaid on an hourly basis compared to other blue collar fields.

the union version of "90/hours week" comes out to about 45-50 tops

unions abuse overtime like crazy. everyone knows that

Not necessarily. Your function and who you are/influences that.

 

[the cac mamba]

I'm not sure what IB means, but like you said, they're not in inclement weather, and they're not working with dangerous equipment or spaces for those hours. More hurdles is also subjective, and getting the job doesn't guarantee work for a few years.

Most people who would be angry about them wanting more money are those who aren't willing to do what they do. If longshoremen worked a 40 hour week they'd be nowhere near that. Like I said to the dummy I'm about to foolish respond to again, they're underpaid on an hourly basis compared to other blue collar fields.

Not necessarily. Your function and who you are/influences that.

is the average pay 150k a year, or not?

they're out here turning down a 50% increase which would put them at 225 thousand a year. why do you think the public will empathize with this? especially right now?

 

[Shadow King]

is the average pay 150k a year, or not?

they're out here turning down a 50% increase which would put them at 225 thousand a year. why do you think the public will empathize with this? especially right now?

I'm not sure what IB means, but like you said, they're not in inclement weather, and they're not working with dangerous equipment or spaces for those hours. More hurdles is also subjective, and getting the job doesn't guarantee work for a few years.

Most people who would be angry about them wanting more money are those who aren't willing to do what they do. If longshoremen worked a 40 hour week they'd be nowhere near that. Like I said to the dummy I'm about to foolish respond to again, they're underpaid on an hourly basis compared to other blue collar fields.

Not necessarily. Your function and who you are/influences that.

 

[the cac mamba]

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if you're gonna complain about the job being too tough and dangerous, you can't then tell the public they have an obligation to feel some kinda way if it's replaced by robots

make up your mind

 

[Shadow King]

if you're gonna complain about the job being too tough and dangerous, you can't then tell the public they have an obligation to feel some kinda way if it's replaced by robots

make up your mind

I'm not sure what IB means, but like you said, they're not in inclement weather, and they're not working with dangerous equipment or spaces for those hours. More hurdles is also subjective, and getting the job doesn't guarantee work for a few years.

Most people who would be angry about them wanting more money are those who aren't willing to do what they do. If longshoremen worked a 40 hour week they'd be nowhere near that. Like I said to the dummy I'm about to foolish respond to again, they're underpaid on an hourly basis compared to other blue collar fields.

Not necessarily. Your function and who you are/influences that.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Bingo.

It's hard work but it's not like you need to study circuits, o-chem, molecular bio etc. They do a dangerous job but.....they'll fukk around and overplay their hand.

If they were making $50k/year doing all that work, folks would side with em. Ain't nobody finna cry over a gang of union nikkas making $200k/yr + awesome benefits. You got M.S. and PhD's that aint touching that.

White collar folks that had to grind the books and blue collar women give zero fukks.

If they don't do their jobs, we don't get our goods and society grinds to a halt. Did COVID teach you all nothing? They deserve that pay. Especially given how inflation spiked over the last 2 years. Plus, with automation on the horizon, they have to get their money while they can. On the JBP, the longshoreman there said that if the docks shut down that's $5B a day lost and for every month the docks are offline, it takes 6 months to recover. That pay is no different, but, IMO, better deserved than NFL pay.

 

[Windows 91]

fukk this criminal

Living like Tony Soprano

 

[the cac mamba]

If they don't do their jobs, we don't get our goods and society grinds to a halt.

this is, literally, a case for replacing them with available technology

i'd suggest they take that 50% raise

 

[the cac mamba]

Living like Tony Soprano

literally. guy is a fukking mafia criminal

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Now we're at the stage where we concern troll about union bosses. Union leaders have tough jobs too. They're the ones negotiating better wages and working conditions for thousands of workers against powerful corporate entities. It's just like how CEOs get paid for their leadership. It makes sense for union leaders to be compensated fairly too. I could understand those concerns if they weren't delivering for the workers, but all signs say they do. If members are getting better pay, benefits, and protections, then the leadership is doing its job.

And before the usual suspects start in, I do have a problem with corporate CEOs for making ridiculous amounts money while their workers barely get by. It's a stupid comparison to make, because CEOs are making millions by keeping wages low, cutting benefits, laying people off, and engaging in stock buy-backs to boost profits at the expense of those workers. Union leaders are actually out there actually fighting for workers to get better pay and conditions. It makes no sense to be okay with CEO pay, but not union bosses being compensated well. At least they're fighting for workers to be paid well too.

 

[skylove4]

I'm not sure what IB means, but like you said, they're not in inclement weather, and they're not working with dangerous equipment or spaces for those hours. More hurdles is also subjective, and getting the job doesn't guarantee work for a few years.

Most people who would be angry about them wanting more money are those who aren't willing to do what they do. If longshoremen worked a 40 hour week they'd be nowhere near that. Like I said to the dummy I'm about to foolish respond to again, they're underpaid on an hourly basis compared to other blue collar fields.

Not necessarily. Your function and who you are/influences that.

Sound like a issue that can be fixed by automation don’t you think