so, Ross did 56k in his 2nd week

[havoc00]

look at how that faggit dre use to dress look at em faggit ass lyric, but he is looked at as a great from that time

i dont wear skinny jeans, but me being from the hood no a bunch of nikkaz who do, u being white(no disrespect) i dont think u knw much about the black community, i knw nikkaz wit skinny jeans that will kill your entire family, old head killers even wearing them, u think it just rappers and that it, u think them dudes who be wit jim jones wouldnt fukk your entire life up, these nikkaz out here wearing skinny jeans fukking bytches and killing nikkaz, but some how they faggit, but nikkaz like p was expose my by his partner as a faq, mr c got caught, dre is a known homo, suge making nikkaz rape other nikkaz


yall gen was some wild boys

I know that killers rock em, but at the same time I do chill out in poorer areas in the black community and see people still wearing baggy ass shyt drinking 40ozs and not giving a fukk about style, just like it was in the 90s

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Are any of them songs on par with the song examples i gave from former REAL hiphop dons? Well,we both know the answer. And them songs aint do shyt in comparison. Why? Cause ross didnt rock them right.

being real i dont give a fukk about 90% of the sound u listed

big poppa,one more chance rmx,hypnotize,mo money mo problems,fukkin you tonight, i need love,jingling baby,around the way girl,loungin remix,doin it

bolded is the only ones i fukk wit, and being real none of them songs would be that big in todays hip hop, they not pop enough

 

[ROFL_GUY]

the first 3 songs got great reception all over the place , i dont knw what u talkin bout, touch n u is nice also, them songs are good, but in no commercial enough to be a big shyt in todays music, u have to release shyt like lollipop and trash like that for a street rapper to make a big song, and what u not understanding is no street rapper is going to sell more than what jeezy and ross sell in todays hip hop climate

i would hate to see ross sellout and make songs that not him at all(like lil wayne), that would be the day i look at him funny, cause he good making quality music and feeding the streets, if he put out some trash ass pop song and that shyt flop then he not gon have a pop fanbase and might lose his street fanbase, so all in all he just need to keep putting out that crack and feeding the streets and he gon be good and this is his highest selling first week also, so its not like he went from going 2-3 times plat to not reaching gold(jeezy) or selling 10 mill to barely touching gold(50) and cant get a release date, he went from selling in the 100 thousands to the 200 thousands he good

50 Cent Announces 'Street King Immortal' Release Date; Debuts 'New Day' Single | Billboard.com

MORE L's for LAUSE and his "fanbase"

 

[King Karim]

This what ive been thinking this whole thread, thanks for articulating it... The fact of the matter is since DTR Ross's sells increase every album release.. how the fukk do these CACs spin that into Ross career being in trouble?

bc the 2nd week only sold 56k and unlike previous albums there was some undeniable hits left to carry the album. this album doesn't have that.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

50 Cent Announces 'Street King Immortal' Release Date; Debuts 'New Day' Single | Billboard.com

MORE L's for LAUSE and his "fanbase"

shyt aint never coming out wasnt he suppose to drop a album this month jimmy shytting on this clown worst than Chelsea lately ugly ass did

 

[CACtain Planet]

bc the 2nd week only sold 56k and unlike previous albums there was some undeniable hits left to carry the album. this album doesn't have that.

So now we got musty fakkit Arabs who can see the future?

 

[T'Kuvma Da Unforgettable]

I been had "Hold Me Back" on repeat..'So Sophisticated' got some potential

the rest of them songs though

..beats and verses just sound interchangeable..like u could throw em up in the air and shyt will fit on different songs no matter the topic

Nuthing really catches u like that

 

[eastside313]

Hell yea skipped over his valley of death verse too when he talking about how the south aint hate on the East/West during there reigns but they throw shade at the south when we on top...and the CO shyt he did to feed his kids..

Ross underrated nikka got bars where we talking about real nikka shyt or just lyrical like Mafia Music II/Transporter ...

nikkas gone hate you for whatever you do 2 classics one year MMG grinding....

Ross didn't have kids when he was a co

 

[obarth]

Im glad you called me out.

For one, TM103 is Jeezy's worst effort, no arguments to be made. Songs like '911' and 'Hold Me Back' are songs that got criticized due to their sound, the reality is the majority of Jeezy's album sounds like that. The production was lackluster to say the least. Ross' production is atleast 10x better, and thats being nice. Lyrically it doesnt compare, Ross is just a better rapper at this point, on this album he displayed better all around MC skills. Go back to Triple Beam Dreams, and listen to his verse, he's become very cinematic and his vocabulary is far more advanced than Jeezy's. Songs like Rich Forever and Ashamed display this.

nikka, I asked you for the lyrics that put Ross over the top and what the themes were on the album. You responded to me talking about production, telling me Ross is just a better rapper, and naming a couple songs. Vocabulary, nikka? Really? So hearing big words is what put Ross over the top for you? Quote me some lyrics. Tell me what the themes are the nikka was speaking on. Why is it that when it comes to the actual words involved in a Ross album, it's like pulling teeth to get nikkas to describe it?

 

[King Karim]

Ross didn't have kids when he was a co

 

[William Bassington]

nikka, I asked you for the lyrics that put Ross over the top and what the themes were on the album. You responded to me talking about production, telling me Ross is just a better rapper, and naming a couple songs. Vocabulary, nikka? Really? So hearing big words is what put Ross over the top for you? Quote me some lyrics. Tell me what the themes are the nikka was speaking on. Why is it that when it comes to the actual words involved in a Ross album, it's like pulling teeth to get nikkas to describe it?

like Im really about to sit here and type out lyrics so you can disagree with them...just listen to Triple Dreams and Ten Jesus Pieces

 

[obarth]

like Im really about to sit here and type out lyrics so you can disagree with them...just listen to Triple Dreams and Ten Jesus Pieces

This nikka just said listen to a bonus track to make his point . Nas is the only one on Triple Beam Dreams saying anything. I said the same when Rich Forever dropped. His verse actually...you know...made sense. Had a point. Nas told the story of a young hustler just getting into the game. What was Ross' verse about, exactly? And Ten Jesus Pieces...what is the theme/point of the song? Or are you gonna tell me you won't bother telling me just so I can disagree...a.k.a you have absolutely no idea what the song is about?

Oh, I'll copy and paste the lyrics for you in case you were planning on using the same excuse again:

[Intro: Rick Ross]
It's time to take you to the other side
The side you gotta watch your A&E cable television for homie
But we live this shyt
I'm not a star, well that's a lie
I seen a man raise his hand on the stand he testified
Spoke on a homicide amongst other things
Even share my triple beam dreams

[Verse 1: Nas]
A project minded individual, criminal tactics
Us black kids born with birth defects, we hyperactive
Mentally sex-crazed, dysfunctional they describe us
They liars, at the end of the day, we fukkin survivors
I remember watching Scarface the first time
Look at that big house, that Porsche paid for by crime
How could I sell this poison to my peoples in my mind?
They dumb and destroy themselves is how I rationalize
In a b*stardized nation, magnum .45 carrying
Where I'm from ain't far from Washington Heights to cop Aryan
A rookie boy, the cookie didn't make no profit
A stranger to the block, I damn near had to make them cop it
It only took a fiend to taste it once to say it's garbage
I brought it back to papi, ain't trying to take no losses
He focuses on my emotionless young dealer face then pauses
He gives me powder, he has faith in Nas' ambitions to distribute coke
Had addictions to gold chains, Mercedes Benz hopes, but I'm again broke
This shyt ain't cut for me, other dealers, they up their orders
Barely at 62s, they already up to quarters
They out there every day, some true hustlers for you
I'm at it half way, none of my customers are loyal
Picturing piping out the seats of a Pathfinder
Powerful pursuit for p*ssy, cash to flash diamonds
My junior high school class, wish I stayed there
Illegal entrepreneur, I got my grades there
Blaming society, mad, it wasn't made fair
I would be Ivy League if America played fair
Poor excuse, and so I was
Throwing rocks at the pen just for the love
Before the evil, the secret life of G's
You seeing my blurry, triple beam dreams

[Hook: Rick Ross]
Pocket full of money, parking lot full of them haters
Triple beam dreaming, crib with 2 elevators
20 flat screens and got cameras every angle
Dope been coming so you know the income major
Rule number 1: I can't do business with a stranger
Contract killers coming when I feel endangered
Early 90s reminiscing when I had a pager
Triple beam dreams: now Pat Riley my neighbor

[Verse 2: Rick Ross]
fukk boy talking out of turn nikka
In the court room, spreading like a germ nikka
25 on the line, them nikkas dropping dimes
Whole operation got them rednecks dropping time
Khaki suits and some nikkas go to acting cute
We was all cool, stacking in Acura coupes
More accurately, we acted as is if jacking was cool
Snatching nikkas out they shoes then wear jackets to school
fukk boy, you caught up in my dream
Counting cream on the cover of a magazine
I'm the source, got the plug with the uncut
Jay-Z Blue Magic nikka, what what
Brand new S Class with a meal ticket
nikka cocaine white as Tommy Hilfiger
Ralph Lauren Blue Label as I'm gettin high
Triple dream dreamin as the cream multiples
fukk boy talkin out of turn nikka
'Fore you sell dope, it's shyt you gotta learn nikka
Home invasions, duct tape
Fornicating, counting money with a fukk face
fukking bytches that be giving up your whereabouts
Slow leaks, gotta air em out
Kill 'em all, Rolls Royce Ghost nikka, ball
Phantom drop head, shyt I had to get em all
nikkas hate but they know they never get involved
Food on the plate, fukk em all I could send my dog
Triple beam dreams, the ghetto's my reality
I'm from where your hustle determines your salary
Six figure family member, nikka forget about it
Low income housing, nikka trying to get up out it
I got a plan little nikka, just believe in me
Triple beam dreamin with this thing in me

[Hook]

[Verse 1: Rick Ross]
I wake up excited, I made it through the night
Things I did in the dark, will it ever see the light?
My nerves should be a wreck, I got a bad chick
She keeps me erect, she loves my ad-libs
I think I'm a genius, hundred grand a fukking feature
I do at least three a week, roll up the fukking reefer
Went from Benihana to Bimini in Bahamas
Ten chains, no luggage, I'm a big timer
nikkas claim that they thugging when they dikk-riding
My nikkas rather walk, do they own brick climbing
On the block in my all white sneakers
Lord knows that my ten Jesus pieces
Pray for me cause you know a nikka doing wrong
My homie in the cell, so I had to write a poem
Count mills for the times that we had it hard
Asking for a hundred mill as I pray to God

[Hook: Rick Ross]
I do this for my nikkas facing hard times
Empty on them corners if you hustling part time
Ten chains on, Eric B with mob ties
Rakim flows, coming from the Pharcyde
Blood diamonds and my pieces from apartheid
Quick, quote a prayer, pull it from the archives
I pray for every soul that this music reaches
Bury me a G, ten Jesus pieces

[Verse 2: Rick Ross]
Young nikka coming up, they wanna gun you down
Drinking vodka in the memory of my nikka, damn (I miss you Peanut)
Riding real slow on them all golds (we had them nikka)
Shopping for them Os when the mall close
Repping for your homies when they all gone
Get empowered then you put your dog on (Real shyt)
All black tees, ten gold chains
At the Super Bowl, but we in the dope game
Ten years strong in the same trap
Ten years blowing on that strong pack
Lord knows that I wanna live right
But Lord knows what that Club Liv like (right)
Forty dollar tab meaning forty grand
Lil Wodie got it rolled up in a rubber band
Holding on the forty in his other hand
Ten chains on, smoking in the motherland

[Hook]

[Verse 3: Rick Ross]
I'm his poltergeist, nikkas know I'm more than nice
All these jewels on, all ?
I could see it in the sparkle cause it lackluster
Black card maxed out, damn black brother
White collar, black minded
Chrome Smith and Wesson, back pocket
Eight shot, bytch I'm a top shotta
Screaming your affiliations, but that don't matter
I'm flyin' first class as the snakes slither
Never blackmail them, motherfukking killer
On trial and they wanna execute me
It's really sad, just the fact they never knew me
True G to the core, feel my texture
A true G keeps it raw in his lecture
Keep it simple, white tee, new sneakers
Dope boy style, ten Jesus pieces

[Hook]

[Verse 4: Stalley]
Versace shirt, Jesus laying on the chest
Man I swear Big did it the best, I mean
Nas did it fresh, Jay did it fresh, I mean
Ye did it fresh, but man Big did it the best
And I was so impressed that I went and got ten
Now I'm stunting on these nikkas cause I couldn't back then
Rose gold, yellow gold, a couple platinum
And I wear them all at once, I ain't trying to match them
I remember bumping Mac 10 and that deuce in the corner
Scraping up for a sandwich and a soda
Now my strength is up and I'm dangling chains off my shoulders
But no Jesus piece on mine, cause at times I feel ashamed
For the reason that I rhyme
And they say, because I'm Muslim I shouldn't think about the shine
Or even put it in a rhyme
It's better things I could talk about or put my money towards
But for now, I'mma wear these ten chains and floss

[Hook]

[Outro: Rick Ross]
We untouchable

 

[Cakes Randolph]

Then the person who made the initial comparison of Wale and Ross's sales shouldn't have made it since Wale's album has been out much longer.

I imagine he was comparing the pace they were going, regardless that wasn't my point. I was only pointing that comparing two plat albums, is different when its on a lower scale.

 

[Cladyclad]

50, X, Pac, Jay weren't high selling records based solely on a connection with fans. Each of those artists had something that Ross didn't. They all had Top 10 hits. Beyond making hits and having a connection with fans, they (well, Pac and Jay at least) remained consistent and snow balled into much larger entities. That's where 50 and X slipped and a connection with fans wasn't enough to sustain them as most of their fans lost interest after album #3. They started out huge and fizzled out.[/]

jay got a top ten hit on vol 3
X never got one
Pac got his on MAGTW
These guys were stars based off their music and their connection with their fans. Before they ever had a top ten hit. 50 & X just lost touch with that core fanbase they once had. Def Jam blew it and they know it. They over exposed their flagship artist by letting him do too much work. All that music he released for free. Idk y labels keep allowing this. It dont work anymore. Changing the model is necessary.

 

[JustCKing]

50, X, Pac, Jay weren't high selling records based solely on a connection with fans. Each of those artists had something that Ross didn't. They all had Top 10 hits. Beyond making hits and having a connection with fans, they (well, Pac and Jay at least) remained consistent and snow balled into much larger entities. That's where 50 and X slipped and a connection with fans wasn't enough to sustain them as most of their fans lost interest after album #3. They started out huge and fizzled out.[/]

jay got a top ten hit on vol 3
X never got one
Pac got his on MAGTW
These guys were stars based off their music and their connection with their fans. Before they ever had a top ten hit. 50 & X just lost touch with that core fanbase they once had. Def Jam blew it and they know it. They over exposed their flagship artist by letting him do too much work. All that music he released for free. Idk y labels keep allowing this. It dont work anymore. Changing the model is necessary.

When they became stars is besides the point. Aside from me erroneously saying X had a Top 10 hit, each of those artist had much more going for them than Ross. We're talking about five of the highest selling artists in Hip Hop period. They didn't just blow up solely off of a connection with fans. If so, DMX and 50 wouldn't have lost touch. The connection could not have been that deep if they lost touch where Jay has managed to sustain success even after changing his sound and style over the years.

Rick Ross is far from being Def Jam's flagship artist. Kanye West and Rihanna are far more flagship artists than Ross.

How exactly did Def Jam blow it with Ross? Dude just sold 218K in his first week, second only to Nicki Minaj in the Rap market. There aren't many artists in 2012 period that moved that amount in the first week and Def Jam blew it? Based on what criteria?

Def Jam is only in charge of Ross's solo album releases. His mixtape releases are pretty much in Ross's control. The MMG releases are under Warner Bros.