So My 8 Year Old Neice Tells me That Her School Gives Her Fluoride Pills. . .

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

You didn't just quote the national water company did u?? Over the Health Department head

I notice you didn't actually touch the statement by German. Notice you haven't actually touched a few points.... some things are just facts.

You didn't notice that ALL the objections you've raised were previously covered in the thread. As far as German, she's just going through the motions. Each municipality in Israel can vote as to whether or not they want their water fluoridated in 2015. All she did was take the National Government out of the litigation for 1 year and threw the case back to the Municipal level. The water company's quote is the reason that there isn't really any reason to fluoridate a large portion of the southern part of the Nation since their water is already fluoridated naturally.

Here's an excerpt from the ruling to clarify why you're wrong.....
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We have noted before us the State’s obligation to stop the fluorination of drinking water within one year. Due to the cancellation of the Original Regulations and the fact that Regulation 20 of the New Regulations shall expire within a year, and since neither the Petitioners nor the Respondents have indicated another source of authorization for water fluorination, the Petition has been exhausted and is to be stricken. Incidentally, it should be noted that apparently, the way by which the New Regulations were phrased is not optimal as far as the clarity of the law is concerned – once the Respondents have decided to stop the water fluorination, it would have been better to set the rule of non-fluorination as a primary arrangement, and the continuation of the fluorination as a temporary transitory provision, instead of the manner by which it had been done.

You can keep trying, but the evidence is clear: There is no reason to fear proper fluoridation of community water.​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

actually all of his statements are based on the assertion that water fluoridation levels have been at safe and optimum levels throughout history, and i already demonstrated that couldn't have been the case.

Wrong. I've demonstrated that the levels of properly fluoridated water are completely safe while the levels of fluoride in OTHER SOURCES WHICH ARE NOT REGULATED increase the dosage above acceptable parameters.

You, on the other hand, have proven nothing.

Most conspiracy theorists continue to present the same old tired arguments which are very easy to prove wrong. They need all those arguments, no matter how ridiculous, for their shotgun argumentation tactics to work.

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[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Jesus christ, how come these conspiracy theorist can't just read a source from an accredited institution. They'll dikkride and defend to death some nutcase, who's been blacklisted...

It's actually hilarious to me. Notice how every single 'argument' they push has no evidence to support it? They rely on fear and ignorance for their agendas to work. Meanwhile, if even ONE of their claims were actually legitimate, fluoride would be taken out of the equation immediately. So far, that hasn't happened and they have no examples to prove their 'position'.

You'd think that in the 60+ years' time that has elapsed, there'd be some corroborative evidence, but there's NONE.

[KRS]Why is that?[/-One]


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[Slang]

That's actually false since water fluoridation actually has been proven to keep teeth healthy and intact until death.

Dead people don't exactly need their teeth.​

The above is untrue, as that is not the function of nor the reason why fluoride is added to water. Fluoride reduces the rate of decay through remineralization, it doesn't prevent cavities from occurring.

Here is something, don't brush or floss your teeth for one year and have a strict regime of only drinking fluoridated water to keep your teeth healthy. Report back to this thread with your findings.

No dental association recommends fluoridated water as a method of cavity prevention, so you need to stop.


Just stop.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

No dental association recommends fluoridated water as a method of cavity prevention, so you need to stop.
Just stop.

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National and International Organizations That Recognize the Public Health Benefits of Community Water Fluoridation for Preventing Dental Decay

Academy of Dentistry International
Academy of General Dentistry
Academy for Sports Dentistry
Alzheimer’s Association
America’s Health Insurance Plans
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Nurse Practitioners
American Academy of Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology
American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry
American Academy of Periodontology
American Academy of Physician Assistants
American Association for Community Dental Programs
American Association for Dental Research
American Association for Health Education
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of Endodontists
American Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons
American Association of Orthodontists
American Association of Public Health Dentistry
American Association of Women Dentists
American Cancer Society
American College of Dentists
American College of Physicians–American Society of Internal Medicine
American College of Preventive Medicine
American College of Prosthodontists
American Council on Science and Health
American Dental Assistants Association
American Dental Association
American Dental Education Association
American Dental Hygienists’ Association
American Dietetic Association
American Federation of Labor and Congress
of Industrial Organizations
American Hospital Association
American Legislative Exchange Council
American Medical Association
American Nurses Association
American Osteopathic Association
American Pharmacists Association
American Public Health Association
American School Health Association
American Society for Clinical Nutrition
American Society for Nutritional Sciences
American Student Dental Association
American Water Works Association
Association for Academic Health Centers
Association of American Medical Colleges
Association of Clinicians for the Underserved
Association of Maternal and Child Health Programs
Association of State and Territorial Dental Directors
Association of State and Territorial Health Officials
Association of State and Territorial Public Health
Nutrition Directors
British Fluoridation Society
Canadian Dental Association
Canadian Dental Hygienists Association
Canadian Medical Association
Canadian Nurses Association
Canadian Paediatric Society
Canadian Public Health Association
Child Welfare League of America
Children’s Dental Health Project
Chocolate Manufacturers Association
Consumer Federation of America
Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists
Delta Dental Plans Association
FDI World Dental Federation
Federation of American Hospitals
Hispanic Dental Association
Indian Dental Association (U.S.A.)
Institute of Medicine
International Association for Dental Research
International Association for Orthodontics
International College of Dentists
March of Dimes Birth Defects Foundation
National Association of Community Health Centers
National Association of County and City Health Officials
National Association of Dental Assistants
National Association of Local Boards of Health
National Association of Social Workers
National Confectioners Association
National Dental Assistants Association
National Dental Association
National Dental Hygienists’ Association
National Down Syndrome Congress
National Down Syndrome Society
National Foundation of Dentistry for the Handicapped
National Head Start Association
National Health Law Program
National Healthy Mothers, Healthy Babies Coalition
Oral Health America
Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
Society for Public Health Education
Society of American Indian Dentists
Special Care Dentistry
Academy of Dentistry for Persons with Disabilities
American Association of Hospital Dentists
American Society for Geriatric Dentistry
The Children’s Health Fund
The Dental Health Foundation (of California)
U.S. Department of Defense
U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs
U.S. Public Health Service
Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA)
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
National Institute of Dental and Craniofacial Research (NIDCR)
World Federation of Orthodontists
World Health Organization

Permission is hereby granted to reproduce and distribute this Fluoridation Facts Compendium in its entirety, without modification. To request any other copyright permission please contact the American Dental Association at 312-440-2879.​

http://www.ada.org/sections/advocacy/pdfs/Surgeon_General.pdf

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Welcome to the 2013 National Oral Health Conference. I want to thank you for the leadership and efforts you are providing to the nation in the area of oral health.

As Surgeon General I have been working hard to encourage individuals and communities to make healthy choices because I believe it is better to prevent illness and disease rather than treat it after it occurs. Community water fluoridation is one of the most effective choices communities can make to prevent health problems while actually improving the oral health of their citizens.

One of water fluoridation’s biggest advantages is that it benefits all residents of a community—at home, work, school, or play—through the simple act of drinking fluoridated water. Where water fluoridation is a community-wide intervention, the benefits are not limited by a person’s income level or their ability to receive routine dental care. It also is a very cost-effective intervention. A lifetime of cavity prevention can be obtained for less than the cost of one dental filling.

Fluoridation’s effectiveness in preventing tooth decay is not limited to children, but extends throughout life, resulting in fewer and less severe cavities. In fact, each generation born since the implementation of water fluoridation has enjoyed better dental health than the generation that preceded it.

As then-Surgeon General David Satcher noted in Oral Health in America: A Report of the Surgeon General (May 2000), community water fluoridation continues to be the most cost-effective and practical way to provide protection from tooth decay in a community. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recognized fluoridation as one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th Century.

This year marks the 68th anniversary of community water fluoridation.

I join with previous Surgeons General in acknowledging community water fluoridation as an effective public health strategy, and recommend its continued use and expansion to enhance the oral health of all Americans.

Regina M. Benjamin, MD, MBA
VADM U.S. Public Health Service
Surgeon General

You dudes really need to read through the thread before you make these claims that have already been refuted. You're making it far too easy to make you look even more foolish on the 'Net than IRL.

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[Slang]

Fluoride does nothing in preventing you from getting cavities, unless you are suggesting that fluoride has antibacterial properties that prevent cavity causing bacteria from forming. Are you?

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National and International Organizations That Recognize the Public Health Benefits of Community Water Fluoridation for Preventing Dental Decay

Academy of Dentistry International
Academy of General Dentistry
Academy for Sports Dentistry
Alzheimer’s Association
America’s Health Insurance Plans
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Nurse Practitioners
American Academy of Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology
American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry
American Academy of Periodontology
American Academy of Physician Assistants
American Association for Community Dental Programs
American Association for Dental Research
American Association for Health Education
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of Endodontists
American Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons
American Association of Orthodontists
American Association of Public Health Dentistry
American Association of Women Dentists
American Cancer Society
American College of Dentists
American College of Physicians–American Society of Internal Medicine
American College of Preventive Medicine
American College of Prosthodontists
American Council on Science and Health
American Dental Assistants Association
American Dental Association
American Dental Education Association
American Dental Hygienists’ Association
American Dietetic Association
American Federation of Labor and Congress
of Industrial Organizations
American Hospital Association
American Legislative Exchange Council
American Medical Association
American Nurses Association
American Osteopathic Association
American Pharmacists Association
American Public Health Association
American School Health Association
American Society for Clinical Nutrition
American Society for Nutritional Sciences
American Student Dental Association
American Water Works Association
Association for Academic Health Centers
Association of American Medical Colleges
Association of Clinicians for the Underserved
Association of Maternal and Child Health Programs
Association of State and Territorial Dental Directors
Association of State and Territorial Health Officials
Association of State and Territorial Public Health
Nutrition Directors
British Fluoridation Society
Canadian Dental Association
Canadian Dental Hygienists Association
Canadian Medical Association
Canadian Nurses Association
Canadian Paediatric Society
Canadian Public Health Association
Child Welfare League of America
Children’s Dental Health Project
Chocolate Manufacturers Association
Consumer Federation of America
Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists
Delta Dental Plans Association
FDI World Dental Federation
Federation of American Hospitals
Hispanic Dental Association
Indian Dental Association (U.S.A.)
Institute of Medicine
International Association for Dental Research
International Association for Orthodontics
International College of Dentists
March of Dimes Birth Defects Foundation
National Association of Community Health Centers
National Association of County and City Health Officials
National Association of Dental Assistants
National Association of Local Boards of Health
National Association of Social Workers
National Confectioners Association
National Dental Assistants Association
National Dental Association
National Dental Hygienists’ Association
National Down Syndrome Congress
National Down Syndrome Society
National Foundation of Dentistry for the Handicapped
National Head Start Association
National Health Law Program
National Healthy Mothers, Healthy Babies Coalition
Oral Health America
Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
Society for Public Health Education
Society of American Indian Dentists
Special Care Dentistry
Academy of Dentistry for Persons with Disabilities
American Association of Hospital Dentists
American Society for Geriatric Dentistry
The Children’s Health Fund
The Dental Health Foundation (of California)
U.S. Department of Defense
U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs
U.S. Public Health Service
Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA)
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
National Institute of Dental and Craniofacial Research (NIDCR)
World Federation of Orthodontists
World Health Organization

Permission is hereby granted to reproduce and distribute this Fluoridation Facts Compendium in its entirety, without modification. To request any other copyright permission please contact the American Dental Association at 312-440-2879.​

http://www.ada.org/sections/advocacy/pdfs/Surgeon_General.pdf






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You dudes really need to read through the thread before you make these claims that have already been refuted. You're making it far too easy to make you look even more foolish on the 'Net than IRL.

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[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Fluoride does nothing in preventing you from getting cavities

Wrong again. Your science knowledge is sorely lacking.......

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/la4008558

The mechanisms of action of fluoride have been discussed controversially for decades. The cavity-preventive effect for teeth is often traced back to effects on demineralization. However, an effect on bacterial adhesion was indicated by indirect macroscopic studies. To characterize adhesion on fluoridated samples on a single bacterial level, we used force spectroscopy with bacterial probes to measure adhesion forces directly. We tested the adhesion of Streptococcus mutans, Streptococcus oralis, and Staphylococcus carnosus on smooth, high-density hydroxyapatite surfaces, pristine and after treatment with fluoride solution. All bacteria species exhibit lower adhesion forces after fluoride treatment of the surfaces. These findings suggest that the decrease of adhesion properties is a further key factor for the cariostatic effect of fluoride besides the decrease of demineralization.

Peter Loskill†, Christian Zeitz†, Samuel Grandthyll†, Nicolas Thewes†, Frank Müller†, Markus Bischoff§, Mathias Herrmann§, and Karin Jacobs*†
† Experimental Physics, Saarland University, 66041 Saarbrücken, Germany
§ Institute of Medical Microbiology and Hygiene,Saarland University, 66421 Homburg/Saar, Germany
Langmuir, 2013, 29 (18), pp 5528–5533
DOI: 10.1021/la4008558
Publication Date (Web): April 4, 2013
Copyright © 2013 American Chemical Society

There isn't an objection you can throw at the subject I can't destroy. To stop bacteria forming on a living human being, you'd have to freeze them solid then put them in a sterile environment. You'd have more problems (namely death) than tooth decay which makes your latest objection just plain stupid.

Also.....

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/12/111222142450.htm
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How Bacteria Fight Fluoride in Toothpaste and in Nature
Dec. 23, 2011 — Yale researchers have uncovered the molecular tricks used by bacteria to fight the effects of fluoride, which is commonly used in toothpaste and mouthwash to combat tooth decay.

In the Dec. 22 online issue of the journal Science Express, the researchers report that sections of RNA messages called riboswitches -- which control the expression of genes -- detect the build-up of fluoride and activate the defenses of bacteria, including those that contribute to tooth decay.

"These riboswitches are detectors made specifically to see fluoride," said Ronald Breaker, the Henry Ford II Professor and chair of the Department of Molecular, Cellular and Developmental Biology and senior author of the study.

Fluoride in over-the-counter and prescription toothpastes is widely credited with the large reduction in dental cavities seen since these products were made available beginning in the 1950s. This effect is largely caused by fluoride bonding to the enamel of our teeth, which hardens them against the acids produced by bacteria in our mouths. However, it has been known for many decades that fluoride at high concentrations also is toxic to bacteria, causing some researchers to propose that this antibacterial activity also may help prevent cavities.

The riboswitches work to counteract fluoride's effect on bacteria. "If fluoride builds up to toxic levels in the cell, a fluoride riboswitch grabs the fluoride and then turns on genes that can overcome its effects," said Breaker.

Since both fluoride and some RNA sensor molecules are negatively charged, they should not be able to bind, he notes.

"We were stunned when we uncovered fluoride-sensing riboswitches" said Breaker. "Scientists would argue that RNA is the worst molecule to use as a sensor for fluoride, and yet we have found more than 2000 of these strange RNAs in many organisms."

By tracking fluoride riboswitches in numerous species, the research team concluded that these RNAs are ancient -- meaning many organisms have had to overcome toxic levels of fluoride throughout their history. Organisms from at least two branches of the tree of life are using fluoride riboswitches, and the proteins used to combat fluoride toxicity are present in many species from all three branches.

"Cells have had to contend with fluoride toxicity for billions of years, and so they have evolved precise sensors and defense mechanisms to do battle with this ion," said Breaker, who is also an investigator with the Howard Hughes Medical Institute. Now that these sensors and defense mechanisms are known, Breaker said, it may be possible to manipulate these mechanisms and make fluoride even more toxic to bacteria. Fluoride riboswitches and proteins common in bacteria are lacking in humans, and so these fluoride defense systems could be targeted by drugs. For example, the Yale team discovered protein channels that flush fluoride out of cells. Blocking these channels with another molecule would cause fluoride to accumulate in bacteria, making it more effective as a cavity fighter.

Fluoride is the 13th most common element in Earth's crust, and it is naturally present in high concentrations throughout the United States and elsewhere. Its use in toothpaste and its addition to city water supplies across the United States sparked a controversy 60 years ago, and the dispute continues to this day. In the United Kingdom, and in other European Union countries, fluoride is used to a much lesser extent due to fierce public opposition.

The new findings from Yale only reveal how microbes overcome fluoride toxicity. The means by which humans contend with high fluoride levels remains unknown, Breaker notes. He adds that the use of fluoride has had clear benefits for dental health and that these new findings do not indicate that fluoride is unsafe as currently used.

Other Yale authors of the paper include: Jenny L. Baker, Narasimhan Sudarsan, Zasha Weinberg and Adam Roth.

The work was funded by the National Institutes of Health. Breaker is co-founder of a biotechnology company that has licensed intellectual property on riboswitches from Yale.

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[OsO]

Wrong. I've demonstrated that the levels of properly fluoridated water are completely safe while the levels of fluoride in OTHER SOURCES WHICH ARE NOT REGULATED increase the dosage above acceptable parameters.

You, on the other hand, have proven nothing.



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we'll keep it simple... if the government lowered the amount of fluoride being put into the water in 2011 (from .7-1.2ppm to <.7ppm), that means there was a period of time prior to 2011 where we were not fluoridating our water at the optimum levels, correct?

cmon funkdoc, have some intellectual integrity.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Most conspiracy theorists continue to present the same old tired arguments which are very easy to prove wrong. They need all those arguments, no matter how ridiculous, for their shotgun argumentation tactics to work.

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[OsO]

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you're still not getting it... so i want you to read this carefully.

the government lowered the fluoride levels in 2011 because all the fluoride we get from other sources here in the 21st century, combined with the fluoride we get from water fluoridation, makes the TOTAL amount of fluoride we ingest too high.

you can absolutely make the argument that we need better regulation of the other sources of fluoride, but that does not change the fact the government decided to regulate the fluoride in the water because that amount was too high in relation to the total amount we were ingesting.

there is absolutely no way to get around the FACT the government lowered the fluoride levels in the water because the levels were too high. the only time you lower something... is if it's too high. that's common sense.

it's intellectually dishonest to say the government lowered fluoride levels ONLY because of the fluoride coming from other sources and totally ignore the fluoride from water fluoridation since those are two sides of the same statement.

and no amount of youtube clips, smilies, or endorsements from the psuedo-skeptic coalition can change that

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

you're still not getting it... so i want you to read this carefully.

No. See, your problem is you didn't read the last time I answered your 'argument' and keep reposting the same question.

Most conspiracy theorists continue to present the same old tired arguments which are very easy to prove wrong. They need all those arguments, no matter how ridiculous, for their shotgun argumentation tactics to work.

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[OsO]

No. See, your problem is you didn't read the last time I answered your 'argument' and keep reposting the same question.





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oh i must have missed it, could you please re-post your response to my specific question


lol...

 

[Slang]

oh i must have missed it, could you please re-post your response to my specific question


lol...

His own article refutes the majority of his ideas he has. Now all of a sudden high doses of fluoride are antibacterial? No shyt, high doses of fluoride are also anti-life.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

His own article refutes the majority of his ideas he has. Now all of a sudden high doses of fluoride are antibacterial? No shyt, high doses of fluoride are also anti-life.

LOL, you're a fool. Article only refuted YOUR lame attempt of an objection and you obviously didn't read either the article or the rest of my post because........



Your debating struggle-skills are on-par with LeyeT's......which is nothing to be proud of.
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[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

oh i must have missed it

Go back a few pages. It was in-between......



......and......




Oh, yeah.......

Badgering. This is repeating the same intellectually-dishonest debate tactic again and again in an attempt to wear out the opponent. There seems to be an implicit notion that if you say the same incorrect thing over and over enough times, that makes it true or that by saying it enough times you can make a correct statement have more weight in the debate. Toddler children are big on this.