So My 8 Year Old Neice Tells me That Her School Gives Her Fluoride Pills. . .

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and I want to clarify my position on this matter... not for the psuedo-skeptic camp, but for all the people reading this thread.

my stance on this issue is we should discontinue the use of public water fluoridation indefinitely, or at least until we can implement it in a manner that WE ARE SURE IS 100% safe over the long term.

as of right now there are too many cons, and not enough pros to public water fluoridation. in fact the biggest pro of water fluoridation is reducing cavities, but with the proliferation of fluoride coming from other sources we can reduce cavities in ways that we KNOW are 100% safe, like brushing your teeth for example.

most of the counter arguments to my stance deal with the so-called "proper" levels of water fluoridation being completely safe. but when we see the government lowering the water fluoridation levels in 2011 to curb excessive fluoride intake, it calls into question what EXACTLY is the "proper" level? if the optimum level changed in 2011, how long prior to that was water being fluoridated at levels that were NOT optimum? so that throws the whole "optimum levels" argument in the bushes.

we already know at the minimum 40 million americans suffer from excessive fluoride intake because 40 million americans have fluorosis. and unlike funkdoc, brown and yellow stains on teeth is not an acceptable side effect imo.

now, i am not postulating that all 40 million cases of fluorosis were solely caused by public water fluoridation, because as we saw earlier, one can ingest excessive fluoride with NO water fluoridation. but if anything this stat should tell us that public water fluoridation levels should be around zero because, 1) the proliferation of fluoride from other sources, and 2) as we saw, one of the major sources of fluoride intake for people in areas with public water fluoridation IS tap water.

then there are very basic concerns like: how much sodium fluoride does the average person ingests in areas with fluoridated water? what happens to the fluoride once it passes the mouth and enters the body? does it accumulate? if so, at what rate, and in what specific areas does it accumulate? and what are the physiological effects of accumulation in these areas? at what rate does the kidney get rid of excess fluoride? does the rate fluctuate with body type? and so on. i have yet to see any data on these points.

then there's the concern that to receive the full benefit of sodium fluoride in its main role of deterring cavities, that it must be applied topically to the teeth and/or kept in the mouth to interact with the saliva. the fluoride that is ingested into the body does not contribute to reducing cavities.

then there's the cost to the taxpayer, 300+million a year. in these desperate economic times i can think of a lot of good we can do with an extra 30 million.

all of these cons, combined with one single outdated pro, leads me to the conclusion that water fluoridation should be discontinued until we can figure out how to maximize its benefits in a modern context. and i think any logical person will come to a similar conclusion after looking logically at the body of evidence.
 

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LeyeT said:
but with the proliferation of fluoride coming from other sources we can reduce cavities in ways that we KNOW are 100% safe, like brushing your teeth for example.

Improper toothbrushing with fluoridated toothpaste is the largest contributor to cases of fluorosis in the United States.​

LeyeT said:
but when we see the government lowering the water fluoridation levels in 2011 to curb excessive fluoride intake, it calls into question what EXACTLY is the "proper" level?

The Gov't actually lowered it's level TO the optimal level already in-use by HHS because they were using 4 mg/L since 1962......you buffoon.......:laff::laff::laff:

LeyeT said:
we already know at the minimum 40 million americans suffer from excessive fluoride intake because 40 million americans have fluorosis. and unlike funkdoc, brown and yellow stains on teeth is not an acceptable side effect imo.

Now you're just lying since I never said that. I did say that fluorosis was only a cosmetic issue.........

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LeyeT said:
now, i am not postulating that all 40 million cases of fluorosis were solely caused by public water fluoridation, because as we saw earlier, one can ingest excessive fluoride with NO water fluoridation. but if anything this stat should tell us that public water fluoridation levels should be around zero because, 1) the proliferation of fluoride from other sources, and 2) as we saw, one of the major sources of fluoride intake for people in areas with public water fluoridation IS tap water.

The major cause of fluorosis was due to improper brushing and excess toothpaste, not optimally fluoridated water. You're still confusing correlation with causation because you're butthurt and YOU LOSE.​

LeyeT said:
then there are very basic concerns like: how much sodium fluoride does the average person ingests in areas with fluoridated water? what happens to the fluoride once it passes the mouth and enters the body? does it accumulate? if so, at what rate, and in what specific areas does it accumulate? and what are the physiological effects of accumulation in these areas? at what rate does the kidney get rid of excess fluoride? does the rate fluctuate with body type? and so on. i have yet to see any data on these points.

You haven't bothered going to the CDC website, then......http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/

Or reading this post: http://www.thecoli.com/threads/so-m...her-fluoride-pills.141528/page-2#post-5268473 = post #69 so you can't play stupid.....again. Then again, maybe you aren't playing and are just stupid.​

LeyeT said:
then there's the concern that to receive the full benefit of sodium fluoride in its main role of deterring cavities, that it must be applied topically to the teeth and/or kept in the mouth to interact with the saliva. the fluoride that is ingested into the body does not contribute to reducing cavities.


LeyeT said:
then there's the cost to the taxpayer, 300+million a year. in these desperate economic times i can think of a lot of good we can do with an extra 30 million.

You can't even think of a logical argument to defend your position.​

LeyeT said:
all of these cons, combined with one single outdated pro, leads me to the conclusion that water fluoridation should be discontinued until we can figure out how to maximize its benefits in a modern context. and i think any logical person will come to a similar conclusion after looking logically at the body of evidence.

You're an utter and complete moron. The benefits FAR outweigh any 'cons' you might believe exist and you've supplied NO evidence that there are any 'cons'.

Your conclusion is based on nonsense, lies, fear, and lack of intelligence or integrity.

You're not even intelligent enough to be a pseudo-intellectual.

YOU LOSE.​
 
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:flabbynsick:





you just found out what water fluoridation was yesterday, i am no longer taking you seriously.

i could barely take you seriously before yesterday when you were dodging questions and making shyt up to fit your argument.

give it up :camby:
 

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LeyeT said:
you just found out what water fluoridation was yesterday, i am no longer taking you seriously.

That assertion, like every objection you've raised thus far in this thread, is refuted by evidence to the contrary.


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You're not even intelligent enough to be a pseudo-intellectual.

Say something else so I can smack you with the truth.

YOU LOSE.​
 

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That assertion, like every objection you've raised thus far in this thread, is refuted by evidence to the contrary.


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You're not even intelligent enough to be a pseudo-intellectual.

Say something else so I can smack you with the truth.

YOU LOSE.​


:russ: at the gif...

but in all seriousness i cant take you seriously anymore. you avoid answering direct questions, you extrapolate opinions based on studies but try to pass them off as facts, and when worse comes to worse you either bring up some irrelevant point, completely make shyt up on the fly, or fall back on he "optimum levels of fluoridation" argument--a point which ive already destroyed several times over.


and of course, the FACT that you just found out what water fluoridation was two days ago :russ: disqualifies you entirely.

but if anyone else would like to debate these points in an intelligent and integrous way i'm all for it.

but funkdoc :camby:
 

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LeyeT said:
:russ: at the gif...

LOL @ your argument.​

LeyeT said:
but in all seriousness i cant take you seriously anymore. you avoid answering direct questions

I answered all your questions in post # 197 and pretty much every post prior to that one.

You can't even support THAT argument with evidence I can't refute.....like I've been doing this entire thread.

YOU LOSE.

@Candor ........:comeon:
 

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LOL @ your argument.​



I answered all your questions in post # 197 and pretty much every post prior to that one.

You can't even support THAT argument with evidence I can't refute.....like I've been doing this entire thread.

YOU LOSE.

@Candor ........:comeon:

got it, thanks.









now back to the important matters... does anyone else feel like they can intelligently debate these points? i'm looking at any member of the psuedo-skeptic crew who is feeling froggish...
 

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LeyeT said:
got it, thanks.
now back to the important matters... does anyone else feel like they can intelligently debate these points? i'm looking at any member of the psuedo-skeptic crew who is feeling froggish...

:ufdup:

You can't even use a pejorative term correctly.

The only person who hasn't supplied a necessary burden of proof to support their argument is you.

You're calling yourself out.

You can't be this old and be this stupid.​
 

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:ufdup:

You can't even use a pejorative term correctly.

The only person who hasn't supplied a necessary burden of proof to support their argument is you.

You're calling yourself out.

You can't be this old and be this stupid.​


you keep petitioning the mods to close the thread, but yet you keep replying.

let it go breh...

now back to the important matters... does anyone else feel like they can intelligently debate these points? i'm looking at any member of the psuedo-skeptic crew who is feeling froggish...
 

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LeyeT said:
you keep petitioning the mods to close the thread, but yet you keep replying.

That's not why I'm calling for their attention, you imbecile. You can't even prove THAT assertion.

Your arguments have all been destroyed beyond repair along with any credibility you might have had.

No one wants to talk to you about anything because you're an absolute moron.

YOU LOSE.
 
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That's not why I'm calling for their attention, you imbecile. You can't even prove THAT assertion.

Your arguments have all been destroyed beyond repair along with any credibility you might have had.

No one wants to talk to you about anything because you're an absolute moron.

YOU LOSE.


got it, thanks.






again, if anyone else feels like they can intelligently debate these points, ill be waiting.
 

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I thought this site was bad now, but I'm starting to see that it's always been bad. :huhldup:
that's what i thought about when i saw this old thread on the first page. a reminder that these shytty posters have always been here and because of close registration over the years they just got older and no new blood.
 
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