So My 8 Year Old Neice Tells me That Her School Gives Her Fluoride Pills. . .

[Dusty Bake Activate]

it's already proven that the levels were too high at one point.

Realistically, some nations don't have it because it's not necessary.... most modern nation reject it, so why don't we??

Why comment if you're not going to follow the conversation? Dafunkdoc has destroyed this and every other assertion Leyet attempted.

 

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Why comment if you're not going to follow the conversation? Dafunkdoc has destroyed this and every other assertion Leyet attempted.

i mostly post while working on other things... so i jump in and out.

but it all seems strange to me... more people in the US drink floride water than the rest of the world combined??? Is that because we are just > the rest of the world?
We really believe that fluoride over time in small amounts provides benefits for teeth that outweigh potential risk?? or don't affect any other part of the body or tissues negatively??
I really don't understand why the rest of the modern world isn't adding Fluoride if it's something we find necessary.

 

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Fluoride's benefit comes when applied topically, not ingested. Besides, if you remineralise your teeth fluoride becomes pointless

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Fluoride's benefit comes when applied topically, not ingested. Besides, if you remineralise your teeth fluoride becomes pointless

Wrong.......​

OBJECTION: The topical application of fluoride to the teeth is equally as efficient in reducing the incidence of dental caries as the consumption of fluorides in the drinking water, and presents fewer problems.

APPRAISAL: The topical application of fluoride has been shown by Knutson and Scholz to produce an average reduction pf 40 percent in the incidence of dental caries. The studies of controlled fluoridation of supplies of communal water have demonstrated a 58 percent reduction in the incidence of dental caries in permanent teeth in Newburgh, New York, an 80 percent reduction in caries experience in the six-year-group in Evanston, Illinois, and 53.9 percent in the age groups 5 to 15 in Brantford, Ontario.

Topical applications have been evaluated by the St. Louis Medical Society which reported the following conclusions: "Topical applications of fluorides (directly to the teeth) has proven to be of definite value as a measure of prophylaxis against tooth decay. It has been demonstrated, however, to be less effective in its reduction than that produced by the systemic intake of fluoridated water from birth. The limited number of dental personnel available in both public-health and private practice, and the expense of such a method, make it a poor choice of methods of treatment in comparison with fluoridation of a community's supply of water. It is wholly impractical as a public health measure, therefore, in any but the small or rural areas."

Aside from the facts just established, fluoride must be applied topically in several series of treatments. Conscientious cooperation, personal inconvenience, and loss of time as well as a budget are required. Kesel has concluded, in view of these factors, that the topical application of fluoride cannot be very effective in controlling dental caries for large groups of people.

 

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i mostly post while working on other things... so i jump in and out.

but it all seems strange to me... more people in the US drink floride water than the rest of the world combined??? Is that because we are just > the rest of the world?
We really believe that fluoride over time in small amounts provides benefits for teeth that outweigh potential risk?? or don't affect any other part of the body or tissues negatively??
I really don't understand why the rest of the modern world isn't adding Fluoride if it's something we find necessary.

I destroyed each of these objections earlier in the thread. You're worried about nothing.​

 

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I destroyed each of these objections earlier in the thread. You're worried about nothing.​

In 2013 the new Minister of Health Yael German has signed a new regulation setting water quality and not requiring fluoridation, that will take effect in the following year. She has insisted that it was better to provide fluoride in other ways to “target audiences” such as poor children, who were unlikely to brush their teeth regularly with fluoride toothpaste. “It must be known to you that fluoridation can cause harm to the health of the chronically ill and pregnant women,” German wrote in the letter.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

In 2013 the new Minister of Health Yael German has signed a new regulation setting water quality and not requiring fluoridation, that will take effect in the following year. She has insisted that it was better to provide fluoride in other ways to “target audiences” such as poor children, who were unlikely to brush their teeth regularly with fluoride toothpaste. “It must be known to you that fluoridation can cause harm to the health of the chronically ill and pregnant women,” German wrote in the letter.

Those objections were also destroyed earlier in the thread. Also.....

Mekorot, Israel's national water company states, "In the South of the country, it is unnecessary to add fluoride because it is found naturally in the water."
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Funk doc,

What is wrong is your assumption that fluoride prevents tooth decay, that it cannot do, it reduces the penetration rate of cavities being developed.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Funk doc,

What is wrong is your assumption that fluoride prevents tooth decay, that it cannot do, it reduces the penetration rate of cavities being developed.

No, what is wrong is that you have no idea what you're talking about. Fluoride prevents decalcification/erosion of tooth enamel, dentin and cementum. The erosion of these hard tissues leads to tooth decay, i.e., cavities.​

 

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No, what is wrong is that you have no idea what you're talking about. Fluoride prevents decalcification/erosion of tooth enamel, dentin and cementum. The erosion of these hard tissues leads to tooth decay, i.e., cavities.​

What is wrong is that you didn't realise fluoride remineralizes, it cannot prevent tooth decay from occurring, enamel errodes naturally with our diet and improper eating habits such as teeth grinding.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

What is wrong is that you didn't realise fluoride remineralizes, it cannot prevent tooth decay from occurring, enamel errodes naturally with our diet and improper eating habits such as teeth grinding.

That's actually false since water fluoridation actually has been proven to keep teeth healthy and intact until death.

Dead people don't exactly need their teeth.​

 

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lol but you still didnt address the issue.

we'll keep it simple... if the government lowered the amount of fluoride being put into the water in 2011 (from .7-1.2ppm to <.7ppm), that means there was a period of time prior to 2011 where we were not fluoridating our water at the optimum levels, correct?

cmon funkdoc, have some intellectual integrity.

 

[OsO]

Why comment if you're not going to follow the conversation? Dafunkdoc has destroyed this and every other assertion Leyet attempted.

actually all of his statements are based on the assertion that water fluoridation levels have been at safe and optimum levels throughout history, and i already demonstrated that couldn't have been the case.

 

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Jesus christ, how come these conspiracy theorist can't just read a source from an accredited institution. They'll dikkride and defend to death some nutcase, who's been blacklisted...

 

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Those objections were also destroyed earlier in the thread. Also.....

Mekorot, Israel's national water company states, "In the South of the country, it is unnecessary to add fluoride because it is found naturally in the water."
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You didn't just quote the national water company did u?? Over the Health Department head

I notice you didn't actually touch the statement by German. Notice you haven't actually touched a few points.... some things are just facts.

You know what breah - I will take ur opinion over experts around the world who aren't on some pay roll or with an organization that benefits from this BS.

Theo Colborn, co-author of the book “Our Stolen Future,” is an environmental health analyst, and best known for her studies on the health effects of endocrine disrupting chemicals. Colburn wrote the following statement in March 2013. "no adequate studies were done to test the efficacy of ingesting fluoride in humans. In his book Bryson provided scientific evidence that coating teeth with a fluoride can reduce cavities but that swallowing it does not.
Over the past two decades, going well beyond traditional toxicological testing, new testing protocols for detecting adverse health effects at parts per trillion or less have been developed. Government decision-makers must now demand

research on how ambient concentrations of ingested fluoride can affect the most sensitive system in our bodies: the endocrine system, which is the body’s signaling system that governs long-term health and chronic disease and how we develop, reproduce, function.

Clear evidence must be made public that fluorides used to treat municipal water supplies are not endocrine disruptors."



"I would advise against fluoridation..Side-effects cannot be excluded .. In

Sweden, the emphasis nowadays is to keep the environment as clean as possible with regard to pharmacologically active and, thus, potentially toxic substances."
- Dr. Arvid Carlsson, co-winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine (2000)

"The American Medical Association is NOT prepared to state that no harm

will be done to any person by water fluoridation. The AMA has not carried out any research work, either long-term or short-term, regarding the possibility of any side effects." - Dr. Flanagan, Assistant Director of Environmental Health, American Medical Association. [letter]

"I am appalled at the prospect of using water as a vehicle for drugs.

Fluoride is a corrosive poison that will produce serious effects on a
long range basis. Any attempt to use water this way is deplorable."
- Dr. Charles Gordon Heyd, Past President of the American Medical Association.

"E.P.A. should act immediately to protect the public, not just on the cancer

data, but on the evidence of bone fractures, arthritis,mutagenicity and other effects." - Dr. William Marcus, Senior Toxicologist at E.P.A.

"Water contains a number of substances that are undesirable, and fluorides are just one of them" stated Dr. F. A. Bull, State Dental Director of Wisconsin, speaking at the Fourth Annual Conference of State Dental Directors.