so if Jesus is "GOD"

[Lamar Givens]

No, you're wrong, and you fail to realize the split from Catholicism in the early 16th century was as a result of the increase in paganism, and the over reaching power of papal authority. A lot of you breh's are setting our black people back by your ignorance and lack of knowledge of simple historical facts.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

He's pretty on point with what he said.The reason you celebrate the birth on Dec 25th is BECAUSE of paganism.

No, the reason it's celebrated on the 25th is because Julius Africanus (Chronographiai 221 CE) calculated that date based on a tradition that arose starting with Tertullian (~220 CE) that Jesus was executed on March 25th. The tradition also held that he was executed on the same day as he was conceived. 9 months from March is December.

Paganism has nothing to do with it. That's a result of the 'History of Religions' school of thought that came about in the 18th Century. Christmas wasn't even a 'major' Christian holiday until the 9th Century and was denounced by Origen in 245 CE.​

 

[Everythingg]

No, you're wrong, and you fail to realize the split from Catholicism in the early 16th century was as a result of the increase in paganism, and the over reaching power of papal authority. A lot of you breh's are setting our black people back by your ignorance and lack of knowledge of simple historical facts.

Minus the mary worship/adoration and papal stuff, theres little to no difference in modern christianity vs catholicism. "Jesus" the very name that millions of black people in America alone call on for their eternal salvation, was the same title/name of the slaveship that brought alot of them over here hundreds of years ago. But that doesnt set them back I guess?

No, the reason it's celebrated on the 25th is because Julius Africanus (Chronographiai 221 CE) calculated that date based on a tradition that arose starting with Tertullian (~220 CE) that Jesus was executed on March 25th. The tradition also held that he was executed on the same day as he was conceived. 9 months from March is December.

Paganism has nothing to do with it. That's a result of the 'History of Religions' school of thought that came about in the 18th Century. Christmas wasn't even a 'major' Christian holiday until the 9th Century and was denounced by Origen in 245 CE.​

Saturnalia was an ancient Roman festival in honour of deity Saturn, held on 17 December of the Julian calendar and later expanded with festivities through to 23 December. The holiday was celebrated with a sacrifice at the Temple of Saturn, in the Roman Forum, and a public banquet, followed by private gift-giving, continual partying, and a carnival atmosphere that overturned Roman social norms: gambling was permitted, and masters provided table service for their slaves.[1] The poet Catullus called it "the best of days".[2]

You telling me "Julius Africanus" (sounds very to me) legitimately came up with a date so close the dates of pagan festivals?

 

[Lamar Givens]

Let me just cook for a moment...

1. Everyone one of us possesses a WORLDVIEW. That worldview has been shaped by our family upbringing, culture, information/knowledge (education), EXPERIENCES, and ASSUMPTIONS/BIASES.

2. What is great about TRUTH, is that facts don't give a fuuuuu about feelings, assumptions/biases, culture, or what we have been taught.

3. Based upon the FUNDAMENTAL law of LOGIC something cannot be true, and false at the same time. This is not a concept that is difficult to grasp, unless you hold onto your biased position blindly, and dogmatically.

4. Dealing with cac neo-Darwinian evolution, an individual must ASSUME a priori that the universe is nothing more than a result of RANDOM, PURPOSELESS, events motivated by CHANCE. This position is not TRUE SCIENCE, but a metaphysical philosophical position.

5. By definition of truth (a) human existence is the product of a supernatural force (God), or (b) human existence is the by product of time + matter + chance = everything.

Only one of those positions is TRUE/FACTS. To accept one proposition you must automatically reject the other proposition as false. Once again this is basic logic at work that does not care about your crybaby feelings!

6. CAC neo-Darwinian evolution is the BELIEF that merely mindless naturalistic processes are responsible for all of the specified complexity contained in this fine-tuned universe. The PHILOSOPHY called naturalism is the foundation of CAC neo-Darwinian evolution theory.

7. The invention of new parts or systems by mutation has never been witnessed. Let me repeat...THE CREATION OF "NEW" COMPLEX BIOLOGICAL STRUCTURES FROM MUTATION HAS "NEVER" BEEN WITNESSED BY SCIENTISTS.

8. The first principle of TRUE science is OBSERVATION.

9. The PREMISE that all of life shares a universal last common ancestor through descent with modification is an a priori ASSUMPTION believed by FAITH and DOGMATISM, not FACTS.

10. Once again in order to believe in the PHILOSOPHY of Naturalism, a person must automatically come to the field of science with the BIASED assumption that all there is is the MATERIAL universe, and nothing else.

CAC neo-Darwinian evolution is not science but A PHILOSIPHICAL BELIEF SYSYTEM!!!

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

In a sense that there is only "God"...

Words create separation by giving the illusion that they are 2 different things.

You're born into a world where words are used to create difference between any 2 things.

"This is a fish."

"This is a cow."

Thus you think of them as separate things.

What was everything called before any word was ever uttered?

Remove "titles" Men have given "things" since they were able to put together sounds and you'll understand.

"God" is all that exists... you cannot escape what you are literally made of. There is no "reality" that exists outside of God as all of creation is made of God in many manifestations, many forms, many frequencies & many dimensions. Only one whose experienced this first hand will find it as easy to understand as 2 + 2 while others it would be like teaching Calculus. Jesus understood this and thought it not blasphemy to teach that "I and my Father are ONE."

"Is it not written in your law I have said 'Ye are Gods?"

If one develops the will & desire to learn Meditation all these answers are yours to learn firsthand... but honestly most don't care of things of what they can't "see" because the carnal mind refuses to find meaning beyond the material in which it's experienced.

"Seek & Ye Shall Find."

Simple.

 

[Lamar Givens]

Minus the mary worship/adoration and papal stuff, theres little to no difference in modern christianity vs catholicism. "Jesus" the very name that millions of black people in America alone call on for their eternal salvation, was the same title/name of the slaveship that brought alot of them over here hundreds of years ago. But that doesnt set them back I guess?







You telling me "Julius Africanus" (sounds very to me) legitimately came up with a date so close the dates of pagan festivals?

False analogy. If a mass murderer killed in the name of Obama, by your logic Obama would be responsible some of the REACHES ya'll make are utterly ridiculous .

So what if the ship name was Jesus or dikkie Longstrokes... you grasping a straws breh...

 

[Everythingg]

False analogy. If a mass murderer killed in the name of Obama, by your logic Obama would be responsible some of the REACHES ya'll make are utterly ridiculous .

So what if the ship name was Jesus or dikkie Longstrokes... you grasping a straws breh...

Yea breh, they change the name from the Hebrew to "Jesus" send your ancestors on a ship after the new name they created, and God just watches all this and expects blacks to call upon the name of "Jesus" for their salvation?



This is a Hebrew man speaking here:

Acts 4
12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

The ONE name Peter said people are saved by wasnt "Jesus". So you explain why I should ignore the fact that the name someone is telling us TODAY we are saved by, once sent blacks in oppression?

 

[Lamar Givens]

Yea breh, they change the name from the Hebrew to "Jesus" send your ancestors on a ship after the new name they created, and God just watches all this and expects blacks to call upon the name of "Jesus" for their salvation?



This is a Hebrew man speaking here:



The ONE name Peter said people are saved by wasnt "Jesus". So you explain why I should ignore the fact that the name someone is telling us TODAY we are saved by, once sent blacks in oppression?

1. Jesus = "Jehovah is salvation"
A. Jesus the Son of God, the Saviour of mankind, God incarnate

2. Jesus: Transliteration in Greek is Iēsous
A. Of Hebrew Origin יְהוֹשׁוּעַ
B. יְהוֹשׁוּעַ Yĕhowshuwa - Joshua or Jehoshua = "Jehovah is salvation"

3. Yeshua (Jehova or Joshua) in Greek Ἰησοῦς is the word Iēsous which is translated Jesus.

4. TRUE "research and study" of ancient languages will do you good, you know like antibiotics for infections/diseases, rather than over the counter mumbo jumbo drugs that just treat symptoms...

If you are truly Hebrew you should have known this already

Newsflash, the New Testament was written in Greek.
But I'm sure you knew that being Hebrew and all, so...

 

[Everythingg]

1. Jesus = "Jehovah is salvation"

First off, "Jesus" has no meaning in its name. Jehovah isnt the name either...

A. Jesus the Son of God, the Saviour of mankind, God incarnate

I dont think you read what I already posted.. But here it is again.

Peter, a Hebrew speaker, said people are saved by ONE name. Since no J existed when he said the words in Acts 4:12 (assuming their his words), he didnt say "Jesus". And since he was a Hebrew/Aramaic speaker and not Greek, he didnt say "Iesous" either. So what gives? Who turned the name from what it was in Hebrew, to Iesous, to "Jesus" which was then the name of the slave ship that brought hundreds of thousands of blacks into bondage? Heck do you even have the understanding that the OG Hebrews were black?

2. Jesus: Transliteration in Greek is Iēsous
A. Of Hebrew Origin יְהוֹשׁוּעַ
B. יְהוֹשׁוּעַ Yĕhowshuwa - Joshua or Jehoshua = "Jehovah is salvation"

3. Yeshua (Jehova or Joshua) in Greek Ἰησοῦς is the word Iēsous which is translated Jesus.

4. TRUE "research and study" of ancient languages will do you good, you know like antibiotics for infections/diseases, rather than over the counter mumbo jumbo drugs that just treat symptoms...

If you are truly Hebrew you should have known this already

Newsflash, the New Testament was written in Greek.
But I'm sure you knew that being Hebrew and all, so...

Sorry bruh, but Jehovah, Yeshua, Joshua, Yehowshua are all false names. But thats besides the point. The OG point is that blacks place their eternal salvation in a name that once brought their ancestors to slavery. If anything set blacks back its trusting in the very name "Jesus" that once carried them into slavery..

 

[Lamar Givens]

First off, "Jesus" has no meaning in its name. Jehovah isnt the name either...



I dont think you read what I already posted.. But here it is again.

Peter, a Hebrew speaker, said people are saved by ONE name. Since no J existed when he said the words in Acts 4:12 (assuming their his words), he didnt say "Jesus". And since he was a Hebrew/Aramaic speaker and not Greek, he didnt say "Iesous" either. So what gives? Who turned the name from what it was in Hebrew, to Iesous, to "Jesus" which was then the name of the slave ship that brought hundreds of thousands of blacks into bondage? Heck do you even have the understanding that the OG Hebrews were black?


Sorry bruh, but Jehovah, Yeshua, Joshua, Yehowshua are all false names. But thats besides the point. The OG point is that blacks place their eternal salvation in a name that once brought their ancestors to slavery. If anything set blacks back its trusting in the very name "Jesus" that once carried them into slavery..

I'm sorry, but you do not get to choose to reject history because it does not fit your false narrative. Apparently you are ignorant (not a diss) of how language works. You continue to say that the names for Jesus are false but you have not provided any solid evidence to strengthen your argument.

There have been many positions against the person and work of Christ, but this whole angle you are taking about Christ name not being Jesus is something even scholars would not even attempt to debunk because it would be a monumental waste of time. Also, blacks do not place their salvation in a name, they place their salvation in a risen saviour. Also, you and the other breh's on the coli do not have the right to tell others about their objective experiences.

Concerning Peter's statements in Acts, you have to read a passage in it's CONTEXT. The crowd Peter was speaking to knew exactly who Peter was referring to. Seriously breh, you are coming across as if you have not done your research because these accusations you are making have no solid basis.

In the preceding verses of Acts 4:12, verse 10, 11 Peter says the name of Jesus twice. The crowd knew exactly Peter was speaking about Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Come on breh, whoever is feeding you this garbage you need to distance yourself from them because whoever they are they don't respect you, being that they will lie directly to your face, and feed you this false information.

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

Continue to belie


1. Miller-Eury experiment has been debunked there are numerous articles that cite their flaws. I'm not going to do your homework for you.You have a biased position so no need to continue about that experiment.

Bruh you cant even spell it right...i suppose i would be asking too much to expect some kind of synopsis of what the "debunking" consisted of

2. There is no evidence for Darwinian evolution you can continue to say that as much as you want but it is a LIE.

Again

you can pretend all you want that something doesnt exist but thats not how reality works

4. Leading Paleontologist Steven J. Gould along with Dawkins admitted the fossil record is incomplete and demonstrates fully formed species and not species in intermediate changes.

Which is irrelevant since incomplete does NOT equal incorrect
BTW this contradicts your statement above that there is "no evidence" now you say "its incomplete"...which is it?

5. Look breh. You are indoctrinated in your belief, but no matter how many smilies you post, and insults you hurl, your argument is empty.

Your another brother who is lost.

All i said was you dont understand what youre talking about........one would expect someone making such bold statements to have at the very least a rudimentary grasp of the subject material.


Your arguments so far are completely unsupported by the facts...and the logic is even worse...creationists keep making the mistake of assuming they will win by default

See even if we take every piece of scientific evidence off the table it still doesnt prove that YOUR God created the universe..you would still need to prove that case on its own merits

 

[bigesco]

Irreducible complexity breh, keep ignoring it

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

 

[TransJenner]

Minus the mary worship/adoration and papal stuff, theres little to no difference in modern christianity vs catholicism. "Jesus" the very name that millions of black people in America alone call on for their eternal salvation, was the same title/name of the slaveship that brought alot of them over here hundreds of years ago. But that doesnt set them back I guess?

How many slaves do you know personally today



Exactly

 

[Dad]

1 Corinthians 8:6 - many gods but only 1 TRUE GOD
Matthew 3:17 - God calls Jesus his son
Gal. 3:20 - no such thing as the trinity; there's only one God