so if Jesus is "GOD"

[AVTI\/S]

NO ORIGINAL SIN, NO REASON FOR JESUS TO DIE....REMEMBER THAT

Well no he's not God. And Jesus did not die for our sins. There is no scripture in the jewish OT that calls for such thing, and they do not believe in original sin, so how could Jesus or anybody who followed him (allegedly also Hebrews and Israelites) advocate the idea that his purpose is to die for man's sins?
How did the Israelite-Judahist John come to promote such an idea, as it was he introduced Jesus as the lamb of god. The gospel of John may well be apocryphal

There is mischief afoot. Like Jesus alleged birthday is promoted as December 25th, but this idea is drawn from Hannukah season which starts on the 25th of Kislev on the "hebrew" calendar. And miraculously Jesus dies around passover and is promoted to us as the "passover"\atonement lamb, whose blood marked the doorpost of the Israelites and who's body was consumed as the korban pesach. Its too many coincidences and parallels for the story to be feasible. Its a conspiracy.

So you should see that the Pharisees and the Romans definitely perverted Jesus teachings, and that the "Catholic Church" invented the theological idea of original sin and indoctrinated people into believing it. It is also very possible that the "Catholic Church" invented the New Testament and concocted this whole BC\AD timeline thru which you analyze\perceive time and history.

And when you start going into history, the idea of Jesus and the saint with halos, and throwing up hand signs comes from Hindu-ism\Buddh-ism, with the "sun"\light behind the sages head and the sage posing with mudras. Hell, the swastika, the star of David (shatkona) and even Star and crescent are actually hindu\buddhist symbols...These were symbols that came to them thru-what I suspect to be - Gnostic-ism (gnos) aka gnow-ledge, learning, science aka buddhism (awakening\to have ones eyes opened and associated with the serpent.)

 

[Lamar Givens]

You keep making assertions with no evidence..no sources..no data...kinda like your preacher taught you...well that shyt doesnt cut it when youre talking about science


After Miller's death in 2007, scientists examining sealed vials preserved from the original experiments were able to show that there were actually well over 20 different amino acids produced in Miller's original experiments. That is considerably more than what Miller originally reported, and more than the 20 that naturally occur in life.[7] More-recent evidence suggests that Earth's original atmosphere might have had a different composition from the gas used in the Miller experiment. But prebiotic experiments continue to produce racemic mixtures of simple to complex compounds under varying conditions

Miller–Urey experiment - Wikipedia



no they dont....thats like saying you cant watch star wars wothout seeing episode 1...there a things we dont know..things we do know and things were just beginning to understand....evolution is pretty much fact..doesnt matter what your pastor tells you


youre killing me here buddy...the periods involved in differentiating species are thousands of years and its not conjecture..DNA sequencing confirms the common ancestry...

see the post above...and what do you call fossils ?


If youre going to talk about science you should actually LEARN it first...I feel like im taking over where youre fifth grade teacher fell off

"Microevolution" is a made up nonsense word used by creationists when they cant deny evidence of heritable changes..but it makes as much sense as saying "microgravity" dropped newtons apple but thats different from the gravity that holds the Earth in orbit around the sun.

Can you find ONE credible scientist who distingushes "micro" AND "macro" evolution....

you wont because thats the whole point..those tiny changes adding up over time lead to differnt species...think Dog and a Wolf,Camel and Lama and so on..

Continue to belie

You keep making assertions with no evidence..no sources..no data...kinda like your preacher taught you...well that shyt doesnt cut it when youre talking about science


After Miller's death in 2007, scientists examining sealed vials preserved from the original experiments were able to show that there were actually well over 20 different amino acids produced in Miller's original experiments. That is considerably more than what Miller originally reported, and more than the 20 that naturally occur in life.[7] More-recent evidence suggests that Earth's original atmosphere might have had a different composition from the gas used in the Miller experiment. But prebiotic experiments continue to produce racemic mixtures of simple to complex compounds under varying conditions

Miller–Urey experiment - Wikipedia



no they dont....thats like saying you cant watch star wars wothout seeing episode 1...there a things we dont know..things we do know and things were just beginning to understand....evolution is pretty much fact..doesnt matter what your pastor tells you


youre killing me here buddy...the periods involved in differentiating species are thousands of years and its not conjecture..DNA sequencing confirms the common ancestry...

see the post above...and what do you call fossils ?


If youre going to talk about science you should actually LEARN it first...I feel like im taking over where youre fifth grade teacher fell off

"Microevolution" is a made up nonsense word used by creationists when they cant deny evidence of heritable changes..but it makes as much sense as saying "microgravity" dropped newtons apple but thats different from the gravity that holds the Earth in orbit around the sun.

Can you find ONE credible scientist who distingushes "micro" AND "macro" evolution....

you wont because thats the whole point..those tiny changes adding up over time lead to differnt species...think Dog and a Wolf,Camel and Lama and so on..

1. Miller-Eury experiment has been debunked there are numerous articles that cite their flaws. I'm not going to do your homework for you.You have a biased position so no need to continue about that experiment.

2. There is no evidence for Darwinian evolution you can continue to say that as much as you want but it is a LIE.

3. Making personal attacks and name calling demonstrates you are like a petulant child who cannot hold a civil conversation.

4. Leading Paleontologist Steven J. Gould along with Dawkins admitted the fossil record is incomplete and demonstrates fully formed species and not species in intermediate changes.

5. Look breh. You are indoctrinated in your belief, but no matter how many smilies you post, and insults you hurl, your argument is empty.

Your another brother who is lost.

 

[Lamar Givens]

NO ORIGINAL SIN, NO REASON FOR JESUS TO DIE....REMEMBER THAT

Well no he's not God. And Jesus did not die for our sins. There is no scripture in the jewish OT that calls for such thing, and they do not believe in original sin, so how could Jesus or anybody who followed him (allegedly also Hebrews and Israelites) advocate the idea that his purpose is to die for man's sins?
How did the Israelite-Judahist John come to promote such an idea, as it was he introduced Jesus as the lamb of god. The gospel of John may well be apocryphal

There is mischief afoot. Like Jesus alleged birthday is promoted as December 25th, but this idea is drawn from Hannukah season which starts on the 25th of Kislev on the "hebrew" calendar. And miraculously Jesus dies around passover and is promoted to us as the "passover"\atonement lamb, whose blood marked the doorpost of the Israelites and who's body was consumed as the korban pesach. Its too many coincidences and parallels for the story to be feasible. Its a conspiracy.

So you should see that the Pharisees and the Romans definitely perverted Jesus teachings, and that the "Catholic Church" invented the theological idea of original sin and indoctrinated people into believing it. It is also very possible that the "Catholic Church" invented the New Testament and concocted this whole BC\AD timeline thru which you analyze\perceive time and history.

And when you start going into history, the idea of Jesus and the saint with halos, and throwing up hand signs comes from Hindu-ism\Buddh-ism, with the "sun"\light behind the sages head and the sage posing with mudras. Hell, the swastika, the star of David (shatkona) and even Star and crescent are actually hindu\buddhist symbols...These were symbols that came to them thru-what I suspect to be - Gnostic-ism (gnos) aka gnow-ledge, learning, science aka buddhism (awakening\to have ones eyes opened and associated with the serpent.)

This argument has been debunked. It almost comes across as Islamic heresy.

 

[AVTI\/S]

This argument has been debunked. It almost comes across as Islamic heresy.

Which argument? Debunked how?

Theres no original sin in the Israelite doctrine. You cannot debunk that. So how can Jesus die for your sins, if he didn't believe in such a thing. Neither would John. Riddle me that.

And Islamic heresy? Huh!? Please explain?

 

[Lamar Givens]

Which argument? Debunked how?

Theres no original sin in the Israelite doctrine. You cannot debunk that. So how can Jesus die for your sins, if he didn't believe in such a thing. Neither would John. Riddle me that.

And Islamic heresy? Huh!? Please explain?

1. Jesus clearly stated in the Gospels that unless a person repents they will die in their sins.

2. You must have never read the book of Leviticus because it clearly lays out all of the reasons offerings and sacrifices were made on behalf of the Israelite nation.

3. You have entirely missed the reason as to why Jesus came and his fulfillment of the New Law. Jesus plainly said he did not come to do away with it, but to fulfill it.

4. Muslims are known to advocate their disdain and disbelief for original sin, so when you made that statement it appeared you were reaching from that viewpoint.

 

[Black Panther]

NO ORIGINAL SIN, NO REASON FOR JESUS TO DIE....REMEMBER THAT

Well no he's not God. And Jesus did not die for our sins. There is no scripture in the jewish OT that calls for such thing, and they do not believe in original sin, so how could Jesus or anybody who followed him (allegedly also Hebrews and Israelites) advocate the idea that his purpose is to die for man's sins?

3 He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.

6 All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him."

--Isaiah 53:3-6. "iniquity" and "transgression" mean the same as "sin".

By the way...

Well no he's not God.

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Isaiah 9:6-7

and in the NT:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God."

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

John 1:1, 14

How did the Israelite-Judahist John come to promote such an idea, as it was he introduced Jesus as the lamb of god. The gospel of John may well be apocryphal

There is mischief afoot. Like Jesus alleged birthday is promoted as December 25th, but this idea is drawn from Hannukah season which starts on the 25th of Kislev on the "hebrew" calendar. And miraculously Jesus dies around passover and is promoted to us as the "passover"\atonement lamb, whose blood marked the doorpost of the Israelites and who's body was consumed as the korban pesach. Its too many coincidences and parallels for the story to be feasible. Its a conspiracy.

...Nah, bruh. You're thinking too deep into it. Jesus's birthday is celebrated on the 25th, but most Christians are aware that he wasn't born then. December 25th was picked as a high winter mass by the Catholic church as part of it's missionary efforts (since many European peoples have a Winter solstice-like holiday). The high mass was called a "Christ-mass", which is where the name of the holiday comes from.

Jesus was probably born in spring, since shepherds in Israel can't tend their flocks at night as it says in Luke 2:8 during winter. It would have been too cold.

("In the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night.")

So you should see that the Pharisees and the Romans definitely perverted Jesus teachings, and that the "Catholic Church" invented the theological idea of original sin and indoctrinated people into believing it. It is also very possible that the "Catholic Church" invented the New Testament and concocted this whole BC\AD timeline thru which you analyze\perceive time and history.

And when you start going into history, the idea of Jesus and the saint with halos, and throwing up hand signs comes from Hindu-ism\Buddh-ism, with the "sun"\light behind the sages head and the sage posing with mudras. Hell, the swastika, the star of David (shatkona) and even Star and crescent are actually hindu\buddhist symbols...These were symbols that came to them thru-what I suspect to be - Gnostic-ism (gnos) aka gnow-ledge, learning, science aka buddhism (awakening\to have ones eyes opened and associated with the serpent.)

Pull out, bruh, you're in too deep. You're pulling together strings that don't even belong together or make historical sense (prove to me that the Roman Catholic church had enough contact with Buddhist imagery during the time when this doctrine was being formed. I'll wait.)

 

[Lamar Givens]

If you want to shatter the hearts of blind atheists and non believers share this video link, but be warned it may push them to the brink of losing all hope when they realize they have been lied to by cac demon inspired naturalist and naturalism demonic ideology.

 

[AVTI\/S]

3 He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.

6 All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him."

--Isaiah 53:3-6. "iniquity" and "transgression" mean the same as "sin".

By the way...




6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Isaiah 9:6-7

and in the NT:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God."

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

John 1:1, 14



...Nah, bruh. You're thinking too deep into it. Jesus's birthday is celebrated on the 25th, but most Christians are aware that he wasn't born then. December 25th was picked as a high winter mass by the Catholic church as part of it's missionary efforts (since many European peoples have a Winter solstice-like holiday). The high mass was called a "Christ-mass", which is where the name of the holiday comes from.

Jesus was probably born in spring, since shepherds in Israel can't tend their flocks at night as it says in Luke 2:8 during winter. It would have been too cold.

("In the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night.")



Pull out, bruh, you're in too deep. You're pulling together strings that don't even belong together or make historical sense (prove to me that the Roman Catholic church had enough contact with Buddhist imagery during the time when this doctrine was being formed. I'll wait.)

In that OUR he

3 He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.

6 All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him."

--Isaiah 53:3-6. "iniquity" and "transgression" mean the same as "sin".

By the way...




6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Isaiah 9:6-7

and in the NT:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God."

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

John 1:1, 14



...Nah, bruh. You're thinking too deep into it. Jesus's birthday is celebrated on the 25th, but most Christians are aware that he wasn't born then. December 25th was picked as a high winter mass by the Catholic church as part of it's missionary efforts (since many European peoples have a Winter solstice-like holiday). The high mass was called a "Christ-mass", which is where the name of the holiday comes from.

Jesus was probably born in spring, since shepherds in Israel can't tend their flocks at night as it says in Luke 2:8 during winter. It would have been too cold.

("In the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night.")



Pull out, bruh, you're in too deep. You're pulling together strings that don't even belong together or make historical sense (prove to me that the Roman Catholic church had enough contact with Buddhist imagery during the time when this doctrine was being formed. I'll wait.)

First problem, when they say OUR, they are speaking of Israelites, not of all humanity. So please make sense. And also you do not know when any of the Nevi'im was written and attached to the Torah.
Second, so a child was God. Why would God need to be born if he could incarnate and breathe life into him. Please make sense. And for unto us, a child shall be born...once again referring to the Israelites...not all humanity.

AND NEITHER OF YOUR SUPPOSED POINTS SUPPORTS ORIGINAL SIN....so? What are you getting at exactly? God came and died for no reason, just for the Israelites....STOP IT!

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The more proper trans of Mighty God is God-Like hero. People taking poetic nuance and misconstruing it as its translated from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English. Cmon son. STOP IT!

For the 25th of Kislev do the research, because you have been misinformed. You're right most groups did have a winter solstice festival season, but that was considered Pagan, as in not Judeo-Catholic\Christian so they chose the 25th of December which corresponded with the Hebraic month of Kislev and the commencement of Hannukah. Thats why Jesus birthdate is not mentioned in the Bible, but somehow they picked that date for the Judeo-Roman(Greco-Latin) religion Christmas. Don't be so credulous.....

The halos do not show in the Greco-Roman art until after the Alexandrian invasions of "Egypt" and India and what is followed the Hellenistic period. I'll go no further than that. And I won't be responding beyond this.

 

[AVTI\/S]

If you want to shatter the hearts of blind atheists and non believers share this video link, but be warned it may push them to the brink of losing all hope when they realize they have been lied to by cac demon inspired naturalist and naturalism demonic ideology.

Look at this simpleton. If you don't belib'in Jeeebuz you mus be an atheist and evolutionist. What if i told you there are people who don't accept evolution, who do believe in one God, but do not accept Jesus as God, or their lord and savior.
YOU CHRISTIANS DO NOT HAVE THE MONOPOLY ON GOD.

 

[Lamar Givens]

In that OUR he

First problem, when they say OUR, they are speaking of Israelites, not of all humanity. So please make sense. And also you do not know when any of the Nevi'im was written and attached to the Torah.
Second, so a child was God. Why would God need to be born if he could incarnate and breathe life into him. Please make sense. And for unto us, a child shall be born...once again referring to the Israelites...not all humanity.

AND NEITHER OF YOUR SUPPOSED POINTS SUPPORTS ORIGINAL SIN....so? What are you getting at exactly? God came and died for no reason, just for the Israelites....STOP IT!

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The more proper trans of Mighty God is God-Like hero. People taking poetic nuance and misconstruing it as its translated from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English. Cmon son. STOP IT!

For the 25th of Kislev do the research, because you have been misinformed. You're right most groups did have a winter solstice festival season, but that was considered Pagan, as in not Judeo-Catholic\Christian so they chose the 25th of December which corresponded with the Hebraic month of Kislev and the commencement of Hannukah. Thats why Jesus birthdate is not mentioned in the Bible, but somehow they picked that date for the Judeo-Roman(Greco-Latin) religion Christmas. Don't be so credulous.....

The halos do not show in the Greco-Roman art until after the Alexandrian invasions of "Egypt" and India and what is followed the Hellenistic period. I'll go no further than that. And I won't be responding beyond this.

Let me ask you a question, where are you getting this foolishness from? Secondly, if I debunk this drivel you are spreading will you openly on the coli acknowledge your sin and repent or will you disappear like most once they have been exposed. Only a yes or no reply is needed, if you need to go into a long drawn out reply don't respond. Yes or no to both replies. Go!

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

Continue to belie


1. Miller-Eury experiment has been debunked there are numerous articles that cite their flaws. I'm not going to do your homework for you.You have a biased position so no need to continue about that experiment.

being debunked by your preacher doesnt count...you still havent named ONE reputable "debunker"...i wonder if you even understand the actual point or the methodology...You seem unable to explain what,how,when it was debunked...
Try doing it without cut and pasting from those creationist websites youre using without crediting as sources

2. There is no evidence for Darwinian evolution you can continue to say that as much as you want but it is a LIE.

4. Leading Paleontologist Steven J. Gould along with Dawkins admitted the fossil record is incomplete and demonstrates fully formed species and not species in intermediate changes.

So incomplete now equals incorrect?? Second thing is most people dont understand how rare it is for fossils to form..the one in a million odds a creature will die in a specific low oxygen environment and be covered by sediment under the right temperature and pressure for mineralization /petrification and after all that someone else must be lucky enough to FIND it which is yet another one in a million odds and that the person who finds it will be educated enough recognize it ,dig it up and preserve it

thats 3 very unlikely things happening in sequence...its amazing so many have been found so far.

5. Look breh. You are indoctrinated in your belief, but no matter how many smilies you post, and insults you hurl, your argument is empty.

Your another brother who is lost.

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

If you want to shatter the hearts of blind atheists and non believers share this video link, but be warned it may push them to the brink of losing all hope when they realize they have been lied to by cac demon inspired naturalist and naturalism demonic ideology.

thats the "proof" you post

a random retarded guy drawing with crayons and spitting out bullshyt like "we have no proof of new species"...are you for real...Darwins very own voyage to the galapagos found new species related to the ones on the mainland but now adapted to their new environment.
@ his total misrepresentation of the laws of thermodynamics...the law states in a CLOSED system ...which is not this planet clearly since most of the energy we use comes from the sun.

DNA is "digital coding" that needs "software" with no "junk code" really breh?? Noncoding DNA - Wikipedia

The bible is right because life needs oxygen..Anaerobic organism - Wikipedia...




I had to stop after that because EVERYTHING this guy has said so far is wrong....it all comes back to a poor grasp of science i guess

 

[Lamar Givens]

being debunked by your preacher doesnt count...you still havent named ONE reputable "debunker"...i wonder if you even understand the actual point or the methodology...You seem unable to explain what,how,when it was debunked...
Try doing it without cut and pasting from those creationist websites youre using without crediting as sources

So incomplete now equals incorrect?? Second thing is most people dont understand how rare it is for fossils to form..the one in a million odds a creature will die in a specific low oxygen environment and be covered by sediment under the right temperature and pressure for mineralization /petrification and after all that someone else must be lucky enough to FIND it which is yet another one in a million odds and that the person who finds it will be educated enough recognize it ,dig it up and preserve it

thats 3 very unlikely things happening in sequence...its amazing so many have been found so far.

1. Cambrian explosion has always been a thorn in the side of evolutionary theory. I know it burns your soul like ether.

2. Darwinian evolution is UNOBSERVABLE in nature, but your blind allegiance to cac evolution will not allow you to betray your science god.

3. Homology is an illusory correlation. Correlation does not equal causation.

4. You need to watch the video that was posted earlier it will educate you and do you some good. You might even learn something.

5. You speak of science but your allegiance to naturalism causes you to violate the first principle of science (Observation). But you already know that, another slow burn of ether for your lost soul.

6. Darwinian evolution is based on metaphysics. A priori speculation upon questions that are unanswerable to scientific observation, analysis, or experiment.

7. I know, I know, just keep adding Father Time to the equation. Need another 2 or 3 million, no, no billion years when the next true scientific discovery throws another death nail to cac Darwinian evolutuion.

Thank you Jesus for your Spirit of knowledge and wisdom against the demonic lies of satan.

 

[bigesco]

i wouldnt put any money on that if i was you



BTW this is the theory of abiogenesis still has nothing to do with disproving or proving evolution..i dont see why youre merging them

Evolution is not discredited whether the first cells came from abiogenesis, a meteor strike or even the snot spit out by a visiting alien who was vacationing in earths newly formed oceans...all evolution does is explain the variety of life on the planet...how those first cells got here is not part of it

This experiment has been debunked already

Primordial Soup's On: Scientists Repeat Evolution's Most Famous Experiment

And one more thing breh, irreducible complexity

 

[Everythingg]

3 He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.

6 All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him."

--Isaiah 53:3-6. "iniquity" and "transgression" mean the same as "sin".

You do know that this "suffering servant" is said to have his days prolonged and have many offspring? Hardly the case for the one you call "Jesus" right?

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Isaiah 9:6-7

So in your view, God has a throne, creates David, then leaves His heavenly throne to come reign on a throne made for His creation FOREVER? Instead of the simple explanation that this is David's throne for David and his descendants?

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God."

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

John 1:1, 14

The same book of John that has Jesus praying and saying he has a God that is your God? You cant see the confusion that is purposely in the bible?

...Nah, bruh. You're thinking too deep into it. Jesus's birthday is celebrated on the 25th, but most Christians are aware that he wasn't born then. December 25th was picked as a high winter mass by the Catholic church as part of it's missionary efforts (since many European peoples have a Winter solstice-like holiday). The high mass was called a "Christ-mass", which is where the name of the holiday comes from.

Jesus was probably born in spring, since shepherds in Israel can't tend their flocks at night as it says in Luke 2:8 during winter. It would have been too cold.

("In the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night.")



Pull out, bruh, you're in too deep. You're pulling together strings that don't even belong together or make historical sense (prove to me that the Roman Catholic church had enough contact with Buddhist imagery during the time when this doctrine was being formed. I'll wait.)

He's pretty on point with what he said.The reason you celebrate the birth on Dec 25th is BECAUSE of paganism. Nothing to do with the bible. Heck, no one in the bible celebrated births yearly to my recollection, so where did Christians get the idea? Pagans. If you're a christian, you might as well call the catholic church daddy