so food stamps are about to get cut

[MeachTheMonster]

Maybe, with most welfare programs you have to provide proof of income before you can meet requirements.

The current welfare system is designed for people to be dependent not independent.

We need to move to a merit based system where people provide some sort of a service to state for being "parasites."

Remember I'm not here bashing people who have lost their job or are sick and can't work.
I'm talking about generations on welfare....I have a distant cousin whose whole family have been on the system forever. Those are the people I have issue with.

Not the family seeking help for a few years to get by because of an unforeseen tragedy

Your opposition is totally misguided. Those abusers of the system are only a very small portion of food stamp users. The majority of people on foodstamps are elderly, disabled, war vets, college students, hard working families, ect. Yes there are some people that abuse the system, but we shouldn't be so hellbent on stopping those people that we hurt the people who really need the help.

 

[DEAD7]

When people here say "welfare" do they just mean food stamps?

 

[OneManGang]

Theres a reason government regulates food production. Who knows what the nikka growing food in his back yard is doing. Using his own shyt as manure? Using unsanitary water for plants....it has to be regulated. Health and safety issues. Americans love to know that their food is safe. You can't have it both ways by wanting to grow your own foods and be able to sell it without regulation. It's literally impossible for a country this large to function efficiently without government. Libertarians love the romantic idea but have no historical references for it ever working in such a large population.

 

[DEAD7]

Theres a reason government regulates food production. Who knows what the nikka growing food in his back yard is doing. Using his own shyt as manure? Using unsanitary water for plants....it has to be regulated. Health and safety issues. Americans love to know that their food is safe. You can't have it both ways by wanting to grow your own foods and be able to sell it without regulation. It's literally impossible for a country this large to function efficiently without government. Libertarians love the romantic idea but have no historical references for it ever working in such a large population.

There is no reference for socialism or the free market either... what does that mean? its impossible?

Regulations like the ones you describe punish the growers that are not doing anything wrong. If some one poisons some one, punish him... thats it. Whats so hard to understand about that. Libertarians want criminals punished, and upstanding citizens left alone... horrible right?

and lol @ the insinuation govt. is efficient. You must be drunk.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

When people here say "welfare" do they just mean food stamps?

There are many examples of the government helping people. But it's only called "welfare" when the people being helped are poor.

 

[DEAD7]

There are many examples of the government helping people. But it's only called "welfare" when the people being helped are poor.

well i mean we house, feed, cloth, educate, and provide healthcare to the poor, all on the dime of the ever shrinking work force... are we simply talking about food when discussing welfare? or all of the above.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

There is no reference for socialism or the free market either... what does that mean? its impossible?

Regulations like the ones you describe punish the growers that are not doing anything wrong. If some one poisons some one, punish him... thats it. Whats so hard to understand about that. Libertarians want criminals punished, and upstanding citizens left alone... horrible right?

and lol @ the insinuation govt. is efficient. You must be drunk.

I agree with you on a philosophical level, but at the same time I like the peace of mind granted by knowing my food should be safe. And having a portion of my taxes go to ensuring poor people can afford safe food is not a problem to me.

 

[DEAD7]

I agree with you on a philosophical level, but at the same time I like the peace of mind granted by knowing my food should be safe. And having a portion of my taxes go to ensuring poor people can afford safe food is not a problem to me.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

well i mean we house, feed, cloth, educate, and provide healthcare to the poor, all on the dime of the ever shrinking work force... are we simply talking about food when discussing welfare? or all of the above.

We house feed cloth educate and provide healthcare to the rich as well. In my opinion cuts should start there.

The word "welfare" is attached to poor minorities, but in reality we ALL receive some form if welfare.

 

[OneManGang]

There is no reference for socialism or the free market either... what does that mean? its impossible?

Regulations like the ones you describe punish the growers that are not doing anything wrong. If some one poisons some one, punish him... thats it. Whats so hard to understand about that. Libertarians want criminals punished, and upstanding citizens left alone... horrible right?

and lol @ the insinuation govt. is efficient. You must be drunk.

Smh at you going straight to socialism. That's intellectually dishonest and you know it. Protecting your citizens does not amount to socialism. A country of 300 million would not be possible without a centralized system to govern and keep it safe. My point was why stray from what America has been doing for hundreds of years all of sudden which is federal governance for a system that has not worked anywhere ever! Efficiency is relative. Has it been super efficient? No nothing is in practice....but it's done a hell of a job given the strains our population places on it.

But back to food regulations, it seems you are opposed to this as well. Why let someone kill someone else or harm their community when you can stamp it out before it even gets there? Not to mention food safety is a matter of security.

 

[DEAD7]

But back to food regulations, it seems you are opposed to this as well. Why let someone kill someone else or harm their community when you can stamp it out before it even gets there? Not to mention food safety is a matter of security.

Murder is already illegal, we dont need to waste time and money trying to regulate it. If they want to kill some one, they are going to regardless of the regulation.
Food security is a piece of mind issue, not a real issue. If anyone think these greedy capitalist you are always complaining about are looking to poison people and go out of business, im going to pray for you. In fact without regulation, becoming a trusted brand by not poisoning people is a guarantee of increased profits, and the greed you all disdain becomes the driving force of your security.

 

[OneManGang]

Murder is already illegal, we dont need to waste time and money trying to regulate it. If they want to kill some one, they are going to regardless of the regulation.
Food security is a piece of mind issue, not a real issue. If anyone think these greedy capitalist you are always complaining about are looking to poison people and go out of business, im going to pray for you. In fact without regulation, becoming a trusted brand by not poisoning people is a guarantee of increased profits, and the greed you all disdain becomes the driving force of your security.

Breh greedy capitalists are exactly what food regulations are protecting people from. Most companies use the cheapest resources available to increase their profit margins. In 99.9 percent of those cases cheap usually means of lower quality which can be very unfit for consumption. High fructose corn syrup is dirt cheap....so all US manufacturing companies use it in place of sugar even though it's literally poison. That's just one example. America was the land of cheap disgusting business practices before federal regulations curbed them. Don't be naive.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Murder is already illegal, we dont need to waste time and money trying to regulate it. If they want to kill some one, they are going to regardless of the regulation.
Food security is a piece of mind issue, not a real issue. If anyone think these greedy capitalist you are always complaining about are looking to poison people and go out of business, im going to pray for you. In fact without regulation, becoming a trusted brand by not poisoning people is a guarantee of increased profits, and the greed you all disdain becomes the driving force of your security.

Was this what happened in the United States before the FDA and regulation was enacted

 

[Maddmike]

What I'm curious about is where is the savings from pulling out of Iraq? Where's the money going now that we're not spending billions fighting in Iraq.

it went to afghanistan...

 

[DEAD7]

Was this what happened in the United States before the FDA and regulation was enacted

Yes.

You think fast food joints was killing people with bad beef to lower cost before the fda?
Lets see some evidence...