So all Hitler had to do was not backstab stalin...and london west Europe is his

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With the demonic ass experiments and games Japan was running on the Chinese back then rest of Asia had to be :whew: IMO it probably wouldn't have been good for them at all if Japan didn't get humbled by them bombs. :picard:
Yes. Japan needed to be disciplined. The Japanese at that time were even more savage than the Nazis.
 

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With the demonic ass experiments and games Japan was running on the Chinese back then rest of Asia had to be :whew: IMO it probably wouldn't have been good for them at all if Japan didn't get humbled by them bombs. :picard:
Japan was terrorizing China and the rest of SE Asia all through the 30s. And snatching up all the resources. It was most likely all good until Japans antics started interfering with US economic interests. I fully believe that pearl harbor was no surprise, and there was pressure to get at Japan for basically controlling most of the Asian pacific; the US just wasnt prepared for the ruthlessness.
 
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Nazis had to invade Russia for oil or perish. Operation Barbarossa is known as the first oil war. Germany had huge production capacity but were running out of oil fast, they had thousands of military vehicles, planes & tanks sitting in the warehouses coz of lack of oil, as the war dragged on they began to rely heavily on horses and bicycles. Romanian oil was not enough and British blockade of the Middle-East/Mediterranean made it impossible to get Middle-Eastern Oil. The Caucuses was the only hope for the 3rd Reich to survive.
Nazis were even spending millions trying to synthetically convert coal to oil.

Anyway the USSR was weak as fukk at that point. If the Nazis allied with the Ukrainians & Baltics the invasion would have been successful.
 

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Hitler was legitimately insane. I picked up a copy of Mein Kampf at my college library and was like :picard: after the first twenty pages. Dude was craziest internet troll level crazy. Delusional, overly simplistic thinking, hysterical, etc. There was no way his story was going to end any other way than it did.

They said that he was on dozens of medications toward the end of his life.
 

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Churchill was methodical and pragmatic as hell. son told his people when he assumed power "i got nothing for yall but blood, sweat and tears" :yeshrug: then when the French folded for the German he turned his guns on his allies and blasted away the French navy just to make sure those weapons wouldn't fall on German hands :francis:

What the Soviets did in Germany though :merchant:
 
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He had no chance. He knew that Stalin was reorganizing his military as well. Stalin was not waiting for him his hands crossed. Plus, he needed Ukraine for food and the Caucasus for oil. Also, putting the USSR to sleep was, in his mind, the guarantee that UK was going to negotiate and the war will end.
This.

In 1941, Germany had most of Europe, but it couldn’t get at the UK (the only major power still fighting the Nazis at the time) and couldn’t force a negotiated peace. FDR was clearly doing everything in his power to get into the war. He instituted a peacetime draft in 1940, supported the UK with Lend-Lease, had the US Navy fighting an undeclared naval war with German U-Boats, escorted British convoys, and occupied Iceland. Churchill was also trying to make an alliance with Stalin, who was reforming the Red Army. Hitler knew that the more he waiting, the stronger the USSR was going to get, and that he could not win a total war against the UK, US, and USSR.

His thinking was that Germany could destroy the Red Army, which had taken heavy losses against Finland in the 1940 Winter War and was considered to be weak in international opinion, in a matter of months - before the USA (which also had a weak army) could become a factor in the war. Once he did that, the USSR would collapse. Japan, who Germany was allied with, would get stronger in Asia as a result of that, which would force the US to focus more on the Pacific, which would force the UK to agree to peace talks.

Hitler’s problems were that: (1) the Red Army didn’t collapse even after Germany’s initial victories, the German Army overextended itself, and the Soviets (with the help of Lend-Lease) managed to create an effective, modern army anyway, and (2) the US industrialized at a faster pace that the Germans believed it could and was able to fight a two-front war in the North Africa, Europe, and the Pacific at the same time.
 

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Churchill was methodical and pragmatic as hell. son told his people when he assumed power "i got nothing for yall but blood, sweat and tears" :yeshrug: then when the French folded for the German he turned his guns on his allies and blasted away the French navy just to make sure those weapons wouldn't fall on German hands :francis:

What did Soviets did in Germany though :merchant:
He had too many people who wanted smoke.
 

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The Germans had the tactics but not the raw material nor manpower to win World War 2. There is no path for total victory for Germany. Any outcome that is "better" for them is a less devastating loss.

germans nearly put Russia to sleep, had it not been for the weather they likely would have succeeded and if they had consolidated that position then the west would have been in trouble because Hitler would have had supplies, oil and machinery coming from Russia. France had already folded.

the things that went wrong for Germany were;

Britain's Air Force was better than the Germans and had two of the best fighter aircrafts at the time (hawker hurricane, supermarine spitfire) and the english channel could only be safely crossed in the summer so a ground invasion was out of option. The german Luftwaffe couldn't really compete directly with the british air force (which at this point included volunteer dutch, french, polish and american pilots even before the U.S. officially entered the war) so they started bombing british airfields instead, but british fighter production outstripped their losses, so Goering and Hitler decided to bomb cities to hit their morale, which was dumb because they should have kept bombing the airfields but they didn't and that gave the british an opportunity to reorganize their air force, plus, the summer was gone (no option of ground invasion) and the british had built up their defenses. That's when Hitler started to hit them with the U-boats to cut off their supplies, and it was effective for a while but radar technology ramped up around that time and eventually the u-boats started getting picked off. The british were also keeping Rommel tied up in Africa.

So now he's in a deadlock with the British, his generals warned him not to attack the soviets until they had won in the north african front and taken over British possessions in Libya, which would have afforded them the necessary supplies and oil to then conquer soviet union, while at the same time cutting off important supply to Britain, which would have forced London to sue for peace, but he was impatient because the british were keeping him busy for so long and he said the german people wouldn't have be as supportive of an invasion of the soviet union if they stayed in a deadlock with Britain for much longer. That's when he greenlit Operation Barbarossa

Germans themselves didn't anticipate they would have made such hasty progress in the East, this was partially because Stalin got caught by surprise, so german troops advanced faster than they expected and thus their logistics weren't up to par in regards to supplying the troops that were advancing faster than planned this led to them making progress inland but not actually being able to consolidate positions, which lost them the initiative, and gave pockets of soviet resistance a fighting chance despite being pushed back, which prolonged the fight up until winter (the weather again).

so now he's fighting on 3 fronts, Britain in the West, British Commowealth in North Africa, and Soviet Union in the East, and that's without mentioning him having to babysit the Italian.

and guess what's about to happen around the corner? The Japanese are lurking in Pearl Harbor :mjlol:

weather and trash allies stopped the world from greeting each other with "guten tag" right now
 

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Context I would think could make that possible. I'm sure America didn't advertise its mistreatment of black to the rest of the world,and put themselves on a highhorse as being the moral superior to other nations. So I wouldn't be suprised a Nazi could come over and in context see how they treat him,a Nazi who tried to kill American soldiers better than they treated blacks. It would be one thing if they treated him worst as a Nazi and spat on him,and had him doing degrading shyt. But nope,just had the blacks do it,while not allowing them to eat with the whites who's backs they were watching in the war. Excuse me,the whites who's fronts they were protecting because I'm sure they were front line as shields.

Its similar to someone who is "hard on ho's" could even be taken aback if they come over your house and see you beating your wife for no reason:gucci:. They are basically saying "damn,thats even cold for me:mjlol:" not that they don't agree with it. But they probably also find it ironic based on how they are viewed as evil Nazis,when America was doing the same shyt to us.

Whites dont see Blacks as humans so once again I dont see how the context matters when whites literally treated blacks globally as inventory. Like even the poorest birth defect inbread thought they were better than blacks because they didnt see blacks as human hence the whole BS justification used to even enslave black people. Too me all that Nazi being shocked crap is just fluff to try to shame Whites in the US.
 

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this thread very enlightening tho.i appreciate this.:ohhh:

wassup wit wartime being ok to rape women back then.like it was the greenlight?:hamster:
no you fukking weirdo. :sitdown:

in fact South Korea and China are still beefing with Japan over this shyt.

Comfort women - Wikipedia
 

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The big part some of ya'all are missing is that even if Hitler "won" Europe, then what?

In the middle of a war you can control a foreign populace for so long, especially one you outnumber. But you really think all of Europe was just going to bow done to the Germans indefinitely? It would have been completely unmanageable for Hitler. Simple civil disobedience would have kept Germany from maintaining any sense of control, and in the end he might have been able to maintain a somewhat expanded Germany (keeping the Rhineland and perhaps a couple of the countries to the east) but it would have been impossible for him to rule Europe.
 
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