Snowden is a whistle-blower...AND a bit of a traitor. Sorry. I gotta say it.

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

And what would you have to say about the countries that been spying on us?

he won't say shyt cause apparently every other country just lives in a bubble and sits on their hands being victimized by no one else.

 

[Poppa_Dock]

and all of you on some "the global elites" "the zionist agenda" bullshyt talking about fema camps and chem trails need to calm down.
Replace those people with the people you like. So replace obama with edward snowden, and biden with glen greenwald, and throw alex jones in there as secretary of state etc. those people will still have to act the same. Even the most liberal government will have to fight and lie and be dirty to maintain that spot because conservative people will be coming for it. Unless they have a massive campaign of mind control and make everybody into a liberal or a zombie. And even then some of those people will backstab their own. Everybody just needs to think rationally about everything before they start making moves.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Criminal behavior and actions our government does abroad has direct implications ON THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY.

The government works for US. It only exists because we LET IT EXIST in this form.

The US government was not created when the CIA and NSA were founded. I'm sorry to break it to you cats.

I literally have no idea WTF you're saying.

I don't see whats criminal about spying on other nations or foreign entities.

Thats LITERALLY their job.

All this power ain't come from games of golf and public handshakes at the white house

 

[Type Username Here]

Its called blowback.

shyt happens.

I'm sure they don't like making their jobs harder either.

Yup, as long as poor Americans are dying in wars and getting killed, they don't really much care. I do on the other hand.

Apparently you need to read them.

What Ellsberg did is INHERENTLY not the same as was Snowden did...which you seem to forget.

I am going to ask you for the 6th time, what was revealed in the Pentagon Papers? Please answer the damn question.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

and all of you on some "the global elites" "the zionist agenda" bullshyt talking about fema camps and chem trails need to calm down.
Replace those people with the people you like. So replace obama with edward snowden, and biden with glen greenwald, and throw alex jones in there as secretary of state etc. those people will still have to act the same. Even the most liberal government will have to fight and lie and be dirty to maintain that spot because conservative people will be coming for it. Unless they have a massive campaign of mind control and make everybody into a liberal or a zombie. And even then some of those people will backstab their own. Everybody just needs to think rationally about everything before they start making moves.

Bingo.

My ultimate answer is...who are you with?

Do you want a world government or not?

Cause if not...you need to pick a fukking winner.

Now, the US can be improved...but you ain't winning any favor by just letting dudes spill any sort of secret with no repercussion.

Thanks for the drop on the domestic spying...whats up with you telling other countries we spy on them though?

 

[DEAD7]

And what would you have to say about the countries that been spying on us?

First i think we should lead by example.
Second, and this is going to sound crazy, but spying is overrated.
That said, we should kill any spies we catch and economically cut ties with his home

 

[Type Username Here]

These programs were never about terrorism: they’re about economic spying, social control, and diplomatic manipulation. They’re about power.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Yup, as long as poor Americans are dying in wars and getting killed, they don't really much care. I do on the other hand.

who said i didn't care?

who said I supported all of it?

Why can't you separate the two?

Do you seriously have a problem with the US gaining intel on foreign powers? Or do you think we should be ignorant of the world around us?

I am going to ask you for the 6th time, what was revealed in the Pentagon Papers? Please answer the damn question.

Just get to your point.

I linked you to the man himself talking about the difference between him and snowden not just 2 days ago.

if I tell you, you'll just claim "I don't know anything" and shift the goal posts.

 

[Type Username Here]

who said i didn't care?

who said I supported all of it?

Why can't you separate the two?

Do you seriously have a problem with the US gaining intel on foreign powers? Or do you think we should be ignorant of the world around us?



Just get to your point.

I linked you to the man himself talking about the difference between him and snowden not just 2 days ago.

if I tell you, you'll just claim "I don't know anything" and shift the goal posts.

Damn bro, you sound like one of those religious people you debate on here. Just answer the question. What did the Pentagon Papers reveal?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Sure. We shouldnt go as far as to compromise a mission as its happening. But the on goings of publicly funded entities should be public IMO.

Oh ok...another half-assed answer from you a high schooler could come up with.

...which is why the gov't, to your satisfaction or not, has things like freedom of information requests and planned timings of revealings of classified documents.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Damn bro, you sound like one of those religious people you debate on here. Just answer the question. What did the Pentagon Papers reveal?

I told you what they revealed...keep trolling.

 

[Type Username Here]

I told you what they revealed...keep trolling.

I'm not trolling. I didn't see an answer by you. You gave me two links that were not written by you. I'm asking you a question in order to establish the logic in your argument. Feel free to answer it.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

First i think we should lead by example.

Second, and this is going to sound crazy, but spying is overrated.

Holy shyt youre an idiot.

That said, we should kill any spies we catch and economically cut ties with his home

Son...thats EVERY country.

How do you seriously think like this?

We can maintain ties with countries that have spies in our country without going to the nuclear option

Goddamn you're slow.[/QUOTE]

 

[DEAD7]

Oh ok...another half-assed answer from you a high schooler could come up with.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I'm not trolling. I didn't see an answer by you. You gave me two links that were not written by you. I'm asking you a question in order to establish the logic in your argument. Feel free to answer it.

I've presented information that represents the extent of my udnerstanding of the issues.

TL;DR: A high profile US exec revealed the US systematically lied about a "police action" in French-Indochina.

Get to your damn point.