Snowden is a whistle-blower...AND a bit of a traitor. Sorry. I gotta say it.

What is Edward Snowden?

  • Patriot/Hero

    Votes: 19 59.4%
  • Traitor

    Votes: 4 12.5%
  • Both Patriot/Traitor

    Votes: 8 25.0%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Total voters
    32

you're NOT "n!ggas"

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I'm black too...but be honest with me?

Are you leaving the US?

If not, then you've gotta address why you haven't left yet...

Cause if you're not going to...then you've gotta try and make America BETTER, not abandon it for its past flaws.

Let me ask you something now... Let's say time was some how altered and Snowden leaked info on the Tuskegee experiment, Jim Crow laws, etc.... would you still consider him a traitor? :mjpls:
 

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Let me ask you something now... Let's say time was some how altered and Snowden leaked info on the Tuskegee experiment, Jim Crow laws, etc.... would you still consider him a traitor? :mjpls:

if he revealed info that put the US at large at risk, he'd be a traitor.

If you read all of my posts in here, i'd salute hiim for helping to reveal DOMESTIC flaws.

Its the same thing your mom told you.

You don't discuss what goes on in this house to anyone else.
 

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I personally believe the govt. should be completely transparent, and if there is a function it cant do transparently it shouldnt be doing it. :manny:

That said, being forced into exile for doing the right thing probably has him feeling some kind of way.
the govt is at the mercy of the characters that work in it. just like cops, not every cop is a bad cop. i have some police personal cellphone numbers...























... as i post on coli :krs:. :umad:

but you get the point. just like religion there are religious leaders who abuse their powers. but there are some who actually believe the bullsh1t they preach. those are the good ones.
 

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every country wouldnt be spying on us if it was a serious risk now would they?:comeon:
and f*ck em:yeshrug: Entangling alliances are bad for us anyway.

and spying became overrated as soon as we hit the nuclear age... and dont confuse overrated with pointless/worthless.

Do you really just think foreigners don't exist or something?
 

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I've presented information that represents the extent of my udnerstanding of the issues.

TL;DR: A high profile US exec revealed the US systematically lied about a "police action" in French-Indochina.

Get to your damn point.

The outcomes of the Pentagon Papers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._United_States

Justice Black:
The press was to serve the governed, not the governors. The Government's power to censor the press was abolished so that the press would remain forever free to censure the Government. The press was protected so that it could bare the secrets of government and inform the people. Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government. And paramount among the responsibilities of a free press is the duty to prevent any part of the government from deceiving the people and sending them off to distant lands to die of foreign fevers and foreign shot and shell. .

Domestic or not, we as a people have THE RIGHT to now how our government operates. If Our government is conducting illegal criminal behavior, where domestically or internationally, it is the people's RIGHT to know. Snow released these documents to journalists and news entities, which published these things.

Why do you hate America and our constitution? Why do you hate the American people?
 

you're NOT "n!ggas"

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if he revealed info that put the US at large at risk, he'd be a traitor.

If you read all of my posts in here, i'd salute hiim for helping to reveal DOMESTIC flaws.

Its the same thing your mom told you.
You don't discuss what goes on in this house to anyone else.


Word? So you don't think revealing the "land of the free" ain't exactly so 'free' wouldn't put the US at risk? :leostare:



I'd be easy on the use of the word "mom" and more importantly "HOUSE" if I were you :ufdup:
 

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The Papers revealed that the U.S. had expanded its war with bombing of Cambodia and Laos, coastal raids on North Vietnam, and Marine Corps attacks, none of which had been reported by media in the US.[3] The most damaging revelations in the papers revealed that four administrations, from Truman to Johnson, had misled the public regarding their intentions. For example, the John F. Kennedy administration had planned to overthrow South Vietnamese leader Ngo Dinh Diem before his death in a November 1963 coup. President Johnson had decided to expand the war while promising "we seek no wider war" during his 1964 presidential campaign,[8] including plans to bomb North Vietnam well before the 1964 Election. President Johnson had been outspoken against doing so during the election and claimed that his opponent Barry Goldwater was the one that wanted to bomb North Vietnam.[28]


According to @Napoleon ,@JUSE_HEDD and others, the people should have just trusted our government on Vietnam. We didn't need anything leaked to the press and we didn't need to know what was going on over there.

The Result? 55,000+ Dead Americans and a decade of a war to make the rich richer.

fukking clowns.
 

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The outcomes of the Pentagon Papers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._United_States

Justice Black:


Domestic or not, we as a people have THE RIGHT to now how our government operates.
sure.

If Our government is conducting illegal criminal behavior, where domestically or internationally, it is the people's RIGHT to know. Snow released these documents to journalists and news entities, which published these things.

WHICH ISNT THE POINT OF THE fukkING THREAD YOU IDEOLOGICAL NUMBNUT.

Spying on OTHER PEOPLE is NOT ILLEGAL :pacspit:

Why do you hate America and our constitution? Why do you hate the American people?

Nice Thought Terminating Cliche... :pachaha:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoug...y_of_Totalism#Thought-terminating_clich.C3.A9
 

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According to @Napoleon ,@JUSE_HEDD and others, the people should have just trusted our government on Vietnam. We didn't need anything leaked to the press and we didn't need to know what was going on over there.

The Result? 55,000+ Dead Americans and a decade of a war to make the rich richer.

fukking clowns.

Except that was a DOMESTIC affair.

Ellsberg didn't leak aspects of foreign intelligence or efforts the US uses to gain leverage globally.
 

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Except that was a DOMESTIC affair.

Ellsberg didn't leak aspects of foreign intelligence or efforts the US uses to gain leverage globally.


The Vietnam War was a domestic affair? It didn't involved intelligence and the US' interest to curb spread of Communism throughout the globe?

:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:

Please proof read before you click submit
 

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I...actually don't know. :heh:

Benzhir Bhutto said he was in pakistan years ago...but :manny:
u niccas kill me the way you eat up these lies. :russ: i don't know whether to laugh or cry. these ppl can make up lies on the spot and run with it and it's considered fact and official.
kill obl, throw him in the ocean, then kill the navy seals to cover the lie. like wtf.... how do you ppl live with yourselves eating up this sh1t... why do they even have to kill the seals? how is the country not in outrage over this sh1t? yall just keep letting these ppl lie and get away with criminal acts..
 

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The Vietnam War was a domestic affair? It didn't involved intelligence and the US' interest to curb spread of Communism throughout the globe?

:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:

Please proof read before you click submit

SON.

are you that fukking stupid?

HE REVEALED INFORMATION ABOUT A DOMESTIC POLICY IN A WAR.

THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS TELLING OTHER LEADERS ABOUT HOW WE GATHER COVERT INFORMATION

u niccas kill me the way you eat up these lies. :russ: i don't know whether to laugh or cry. these ppl can make up lies on the spot and run with it and it's considered fact and official.
kill obl, throw him in the ocean, then kill the navy seals to cover the lie. like wtf.... how do you ppl live with yourselves eating up this sh1t... why do they even have to kill the seals? how is the country not in outrage over this sh1t? yall just keep letting these ppl lie and get away with criminal acts..

You know a SEAL Team:

1. trains ALL the time

2. is comrprised of a few hundred members

So when a few of them die training...then yeah, thats plausible.
 
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