Snowden is a whistle-blower...AND a bit of a traitor. Sorry. I gotta say it.

What is Edward Snowden?

  • Patriot/Hero

    Votes: 19 59.4%
  • Traitor

    Votes: 4 12.5%
  • Both Patriot/Traitor

    Votes: 8 25.0%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 3.1%

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:rudy: Miss me with that bullshyt, Snowden is that dude :salute: if you're black (in particular) and have the nerve to use the word "traitor" in regards to America, then I truly don't know what to say....





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I'm black too...but be honest with me?

Are you leaving the US?

If not, then you've gotta address why you haven't left yet...

Cause if you're not going to...then you've gotta try and make America BETTER, not abandon it for its past flaws.
 

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You're talking about ONE issue though.

We gotta get real man.

We've had more leaks in the past 5 years than the past 100.

And part of that is because all this stuff is on computers now that ANY disgruntled employee can just walk out with on some "i wanna be an anarchist" today shyt.

We have to accept some basic principles here.

We live in nations...not global governments (you can argue if thats what you want or not)

...and if we live in nations, we have national interests and security concerns.

If snowden wants to talk about domestic wiretaps... COOL.

but i'm not cool with the idea of making the USA look like its THE WORST PLACE EVER as if no one else is doing it.

Geopolitics isn't about being nice. Its about being on top.

We gotta recognize that.

I tell ya'll all the time.

How come the most historically seafaring nations (think Europe) no longer have strong navys?

1. WWII

2. The United States.

that's the main issue with me, he literally woke up one day disgruntled and then exposed all this shyt. WTF is that? Is that literally how some of us young people are dealing with shyt these days? Not to mention the people who took up the cause and acted out. Hackers and shyt:stopitslime:
dudes who when they need a bit of extra cash they steal credit cards, hack accounts, help scumbags with security and encrypting to pass illegal content are now the moral police? Nerds who grew up sheltered hacking 13 year olds myspace for naked pictures are trying to lecture the US government, a bunch of grown ass men about international intelligence gathering:dwillhuh:
 

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When telling the truth is a crime, what kind of nation do you have? :to:

To be clear @Broletariat , I have suggested time and again that what Snowden did was necessary. But the article's point on a skim (I admit I didn't read that thoroughly but I assume it's like other stuff I read) is that he exposed things that had nothing to do with our liberties. He went the extra mile and appears to have exposed international operations that all nations partake in, but he explicitly detailed how the US does it. If he would've exposed the NSA, PRISM, etc. and left it at that then I don't think there would be any argument. Most people haven't taken into account that he exposed things that go well beyond domestic surveillance. Now, that is if these "sources" are telling the truth. If they're not that's another thing. But for all the indignation, I think many people have no idea that Snowden exposed things that are far removed from protecting the US public. This "but those guys were wrong in the first place so doing something wrong to expose that cannot be morally wrong" argument is a way of casting much of that aside.

It is true that Snowden’s revelations about the National Security Agency’s surveillance of American citizens—far vaster than any outsider had suspected, in some cases vaster than the agency’s overseers on the secret FISA court had permitted—have triggered a valuable debate, leading possibly to much-needed reforms.

If that were all that Snowden had done, if his stolen trove of beyond-top-secret documents had dealt only with the NSA’s domestic surveillance, then some form of leniency might be worth discussing.

But Snowden did much more than that. The documents that he gave the Washington Post’s Barton Gellman and the Guardian’s Glenn Greenwald have, so far, furnished stories about the NSA’s interception of email traffic, mobile phone calls, and radio transmissions of Taliban fighters in Pakistan’s northwest territories; about an operation to gauge the loyalties of CIA recruits in Pakistan; about NSA email intercepts to assist intelligence assessments of what’s going on inside Iran; about NSA surveillance of cellphone calls“worldwide,” an effort that (in the Post’s words) “allows it to look for unknown associates of known intelligence targets by tracking people whose movements intersect.” In his first interview with the South China Morning Post, Snowden revealed that the NSA routinely hacks into hundreds of computers in China and Hong Kong.

These operations have nothing to do with domestic surveillance or even spying on allies. They are not illegal, improper, or (in the context of 21st-century international politics) immoral. Exposing such operations has nothing to do with “whistle-blowing.”

If that is true then there is a legitimate argument that he went too far. Now the NSA went too far in the first place, we all agree on that but don't let your disdain from that prevent you from looking at all the facts--which I admit may be justifiable because so many in the media want to take the story off the NSA and put it on Snowden.
 

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Exposing crimes our government commits across the planet IS whistle-blowing.

Hello? Any remember this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers

Anyone ?

Whats that got to do with everything else Snowden exposed,
or are you just ignoring that?


don't claim to be a citizen if you ain't gonna call a spade a spade.

Snowden told us one good thing and did like 20 other fukked up things.

 

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Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government. And paramount among the responsibilities of a free press is the duty to prevent any part of the government from deceiving the people and sending them off to distant lands to die of foreign fevers and foreign shot and shell.

—Justice Black

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What Snowden did was Brave, but what he did afterwards was cac level. At most what they would have done was arrest him, not kill him. :beli:

Now he is in Russia after running like a bytch to Hong Kong, and if he gets abducted, chances are the US Government wont find the body. :manny:

The public would cry outrage for him to be released, and given a fair trial if he stayed home.
 

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Whats that got to do with everything else Snowden exposed, or are you just ignoring that?

don't claim to be a citizen if you ain't gonna call a spade a spade.

Snowden told us one good thing and did like 20 other fukked up things.

If my Government commits criminal acts and behavior, even if it is overseas, it is my duty as a citizen of this country to hold my government accountable in anyway possible.

Do you even know what the Pentagon Papers is? What is contains? What the blowback and reaction was?

It doesn't seem so.
 

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that's the main issue with me, he literally woke up one day disgruntled and then exposed all this shyt. WTF is that? Is that literally how some of us young people are dealing with shyt these days? Not to mention the people who took up the cause and acted out. Hackers and shyt:stopitslime:
dudes who when they need a bit of extra cash they steal credit cards, hack accounts, help scumbags with security and encrypting to pass illegal content are now the moral police? Nerds who grew up sheltered hacking 13 year olds myspace for naked pictures are trying to lecture the US government, a bunch of grown ass men about international intelligence gathering:dwillhuh:
i'm starting to think the internet and the rise of this libertarian, " i know it all" mindset has dudes in this bubble...

Now i'm glad he revealed what everyone should have known already about domestic surveillance...but we must be clear.

Just cause you're an american doesn't mean you're supposed to get on the CIA's email weekend update newsblast.

shyt doesn't work that way. and it damn sure shouldn't be shared with foreign eyes.

We've had spies caught for selling secrets who've done less than snowden did. remember that.
 

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If my Government commits criminal acts and behavior, even if it is overseas, it is my duty as a citizen of this country to hold my government accountable in anyway possible.

Do you even know what the Pentagon Papers is? What is contains? What the blowback and reaction was?

It doesn't seem so.

I guess we disagree. I support spying abroad.

Period.

I know what the Pentagon Papers are...and what they contain...but you know the ONLY reason Ellsberg isn't in prison? A mistrial.

He's lucky and he knows it.

Plus, I support the Pentagon Papers more than this. He didn't run off and hide, nor did he expose more than necessary.
 

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I guess we disagree. I support spying abroad.

Period.

I know what the Pentagon Papers are...and what they contain...but you know the ONLY reason Ellsberg isn't in prison? A mistrial.

He's lucky and he knows it.

Plus, I support the Pentagon Papers more than this. He didn't run off and hide, nor did he expose more than necessary.


How about you tell us what was in the Pentagon Papers and what was revealed in it? And then you can compare to the information Snowden leaked.

I'll wait princess. Take your time.
 
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