Slave was forced to have sex with other slaves

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Man was slave in 1960s, lawyers say
By Matt O'Connor and Tribune staff reporter
Chicago Tribune

Jun 10, 2003 at 12:00 am

Lawyers seeking reparations for African-American descendants of slaves say they have located a 104-year-old man in rural Louisiana who says that he and his children were enslaved throughout much of the 20th Century and even during the civil rights movement of the 1960s.

The lawyers say the discovery could give their lawsuit critical, firsthand evidence of slavery in America, but a federal judge in Chicago rebuffed their request on Monday for immediate approval to take a deposition from the man to ensure his account doesn't die with him.

With the lawyers refusing to identify the man and providing sketchy details of his life, many questions remained about how he and his family were held in servitude a century after slavery had been abolished.

But one lawyer, Diane Sammons of New Jersey, suggested the family was afraid to break away from the slave masters because of repeated rapes and other physical abuses.

Lionel Jean-Baptiste, an Evanston attorney who is playing a key role in the lawsuit, said the man is concerned that his testimony in the case could endanger his and his family's safety.

Saying the man has the "normal infirmities" of someone more than a century old, the lawyers sought approval to immediately take his deposition to preserve his testimony in case he died.

But U.S. District Judge Charles Norgle Sr. refused, putting off a decision until after the plaintiffs file a consolidated complaint. The judge gave them another week to file the complaint, not until August as the lawyers sought.

In sometimes testy exchanges with the judge, Edward Fagan, another lawyer for the slave descendants, repeatedly asked the judge to decide the deposition issue, even if it was an adverse ruling, so they could appeal to a higher court if necessary.

Proposed class-action lawsuits seeking reparations for millions of African-American slave descendants were filed last year in federal courts in Chicago, New York, New Jersey, Louisiana, Texas and California, alleging business and industry illicitly profited from slavery. The cases were consolidated here in front of Norgle.

Lawyers for the slave descendants have also taken issue with Norgle for not yet ordering the defendant businesses to preserve historical records that they say might document the firms' connections to the slave trade.

Lawyers said an independent historian, described as a genealogist, had discovered the 104-year-old former slave. After multiple visits with him over one to two weeks, lawyers in the lawsuit were able to put together a statement on the man's behalf. They asked Norgle to keep it sealed indefinitely.

"We believe he's credible," Fagan said.

The lawyers said the man was uneducated and worked as a slave primarily in cotton fields in rural Mississippi before he was forced to move to Louisiana with his master in the late 1930s.

The man wasn't paid for his labor and lived in squalid conditions, and his children were also forced to work at cotton and sugar cane farms from young ages, the lawyers said.

According to court papers, the man and his family suffered "rape, torture, kidnapping and horrific abuses at the hands of the slave masters," and he still fears retribution if he goes public with his story.

The lawyers contend he and his children were enslaved into the 1960s--fully a century after the Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves.

Even the Chicago lawsuit noted in its opening line that slavery ended in 1865.

Yet on Monday the lawyers said they didn't think the family's story was unique for certain rural areas of the South.

According to court papers, the NAACP received letters in the 1920s and 1930s from African-Americans claiming to be held in servitude on plantations. And as late as 1954, the Justice Department prosecuted Alabama brothers for forcing blacks to work as slaves, the suit said.
 

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:patrice:.......you were being facetious?

"[In the United States,] the slave was totally removed from the protection of organized society (compare the elaborate provisions for the protection of slaves in the Bible), his existence as a human being was given no recognition by any religious or secular agency, he was totally ignorant of and completely cut off from his past, and he was offered absolutely no hope for the future. His children could be sold, his marriage was not recognized, his wife could be violated or sold (there was something comic about calling the woman with whom the master permitted him to live a 'wife'), and he could also be subject, without redress, to frightful barbarities — there were presumably as many sadists among slaveowners, men and women, as there are in other groups. The slave could not, by law, be taught to read or write; he could not practice any religion without the permission of his master, and could never meet with his fellows, for religious or any other purposes, except in the presence of a white; and finally, if a master wished to free him, every legal obstacle was used to thwart such action. This was not what slavery meant in the ancient world, in medieval and early modern Europe, or in Brazil and the West Indies.
I always point this out when Caucasians try to deflect to the “slavery existed before” narrative. They created a form of slavery never before seen in human history.
 

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You’re welcome breh.

A lotta West-African words are used widely in the Diaspora. You just need to know where to look, ya feel me.
There’s a lotta similarities between Nigerian Pidgen and Caribbean people who speak English speaking Creoles.

A quick excerpt about it can be read here.

Nigerian Pidgin, along with the various pidgin and creole languages of West Africa, share similarities to the various English-based Creoles found in the Caribbean. Linguists posit that this is because most of the enslaved that were taken to the New World were of West African descent. The pronunciation and accents often differ a great deal, mainly due to the extremely heterogeneous mix of African languages present in the West Indies, but if written on paper or spoken slowly, the creole languages of the Caribbean are for the most part mutually intelligible with the creole languages of West Africa

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Pidgin

There are more examples.

Unu” means “you (plural)” and comes from the Igbo in Nigeria.
Its meaning was preserved in
Jamaica, Suriname, America (Gullah), Barbados, Belize.
You can read about it here
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ụnụ

“Jukka” means “to poke” and comes from the Fulani people in Senegambia which is in Senegal, Gambia, Guinea-Bissau and portions of modern day Guinea, Mali, Mauritania)
It’s meaning was preserved in
Jamaica, Suriname, The Bahamas


“Buckra” means “white man” and comes from the Efik and Ibobo people in Nigeria.
It’s meaning was preserved in
Jamaica, Suriname, America (Gullah), Belize, Nicaragua and Guyana.


The reason why certain words are used by the Gullah people in America, is because the white people from Barbados brought their enslaved people with them who already spoke an English-based Creole by then.
The Creole of the Gullah was allowed to continue develop in America, because they were isolated and had very limited contact with White and Black Americans that were already there in those areas in the South.
Possibly Ofay as well coming from either the Ibibio word Afia white or light-coloured or Yoruba ófé "to disappear" (as from a powerful enemy)
mojo – from Fula moco’o
Hoodoo Hudu, meaning "spirit work," which comes from the Ewe language also
 

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A good book about slavery in the various regions

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More fukked up is his own kids were slaves, just put them in better jobs (trades) so they could support themselves later on life.

Only would free them when they reached adulthood
Do you know how much of a demonic fukked up sociopath you have to be to rape someone, force them to raise your children, and then enslave the children :snoop:
Thomas Jefferson was a rapist and genocidal manic but he is a hero to white american society. So much of a hero to them that they put his face on their money. You can not integrate with this level of barbarism.
 

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Lemme help you get some clarity by providing historical facts.

Quick history lesson, to understand the Black Diaspora as a complete puzzle.

The Portuguese set sail to West-Africa with a plan to colonize them. They start off by doing business with them in trade of goods and converting the local Africans to Christianity, their own doctrine.
They did this because it put Black ppl directly UNDER them in belief, so they would be receptive to their colonization which would lead into the Trans-Atlantic Slavetrade.

Never forget, the Trans-Atlantic Slavetrade started in Africa first.

The contact that the Portuguese had with Africans BACK THEN cause Creolization that can be traced back to today.
Especially in Creole languages in the Caribbean, South-America and West-Africa.

In Portuguese,
Pequenino means “little one”
Pequeno means “little”

Because of contact their contact with West-Africa,
all the way in..

Nigeria, pikin means “child” (Nigerian Pidgin)
Cameroon, pikin means “child” (Cameroonian Pidgin)
Liberia, pikin means “child” (Liberian Pidgin)
Sierra Leon, pikin means “child” (Sierra Leonean Creole)

Because of the Trans-Atlantic Slavetrade,
Afro-descendants were shipped to and continued to Creolize
in the Americas. That’s why in..

Brazil, pequeno means “little” (Portuguese)
Jamaica, pickney means “child” (Jamaican Creole)
Suriname, pikin means “child” (Surinamese Creole)


@bnew this is why you’ve heard Jamaicans use “pickney” before, but as you can see, they are NOT the only ones in the Diaspora that use a Creolized word of “Pequeno/pequenino” to refer to a child.

White people abopted the word “pickaninny” over time as a slur for Black children in America, the Caribbean, the UK and Australia.

To summarize.
The words pequeno/pequenino originated in Portugal, Europe to mean “little/little one”.
They were brought to West-Africa by the Portuguese during their process of trade and converting Africans to Christianity to enable the Trans-Atlantic Slavetrade.

Because of contact, those Portuguese words Creolized in West-Africa to “pikin” to mean a word for “child”. (@Givethanks this is why you thought it originated there)

From West-Africa, Afro-descendants brought that to the Americas were it further Creolized in Creole languages.

In the Americas, multiple Caribbean countries & Brazil preserved its meaning in Creole Languages and Portuguese today.
In West-Africa, it’s still in Creole languages today as well.


In America, the UK and the Caribbean, etc. “Pickaninny” became a slur of white people for children or African-descent.

These are UNDENIABLE historical facts,
that are retraceable NUMEROUS ways.
I hope this read was informative and insightful:salute:

PS: It’s also why I hate PretIndians and their followers

They are an insult to the Black race, especially the descendants of slavery in the Americas that lived thru the Trans-Atlantic Slavetrade.
They literally deny these undeniable facts about the Trans-Atlantic Slavetrade, to spread conspiracy theories that erase our history and pain that came with it.

Excellent pieces of history and knowledge.
Props.
 

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This was posted before in Higher Learning but the thread didn't do any numbers.


If you've never seen this, it's worth checking out. It's segments of transcribed interviews of former Slaves taken in the 1930's.

It's a sobering read at best, emotional for sure.

I felt some kind of way seeing how they refer to each other and how many of them basically said things were better for them before slavery ended. Stockholm syndrome in effect. It's heartbreaking but something I think everyone should read.
 

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Imagine being black during World War 2 and going to fight for America. When your grandpa and grandma were 100% slaves. Your own parents were born into slavery. And your children grew up in barely after Jim Crow

We're about 4 generations removed from official slavery.
Yeah my grandfather was drafted like I’m sure alot of people in here’s grandfathers were and he talked about this all the time. He grew up in a real rural area in Georgia that literal looked like slavery happened yesterday when I visited there. But if you drafted you have no choice
 
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:patrice:.......you were being facetious?

"[In the United States,] the slave was totally removed from the protection of organized society (compare the elaborate provisions for the protection of slaves in the Bible), his existence as a human being was given no recognition by any religious or secular agency, he was totally ignorant of and completely cut off from his past, and he was offered absolutely no hope for the future. His children could be sold, his marriage was not recognized, his wife could be violated or sold (there was something comic about calling the woman with whom the master permitted him to live a 'wife'), and he could also be subject, without redress, to frightful barbarities — there were presumably as many sadists among slaveowners, men and women, as there are in other groups. The slave could not, by law, be taught to read or write; he could not practice any religion without the permission of his master, and could never meet with his fellows, for religious or any other purposes, except in the presence of a white; and finally, if a master wished to free him, every legal obstacle was used to thwart such action. This was not what slavery meant in the ancient world, in medieval and early modern Europe, or in Brazil and the West Indies.
Yes. Poor attempt at heavy handed humor. Majority folk cannot be disingenuous about the generational effects of slavery on the the black family when a government funded report documents it definitively.
 
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