SI: Tim Duncan hates Kevin Garnett

[seemorecizzy]

comparing garnett to duncan is retarded
duncan the best pf of all time
and is in da post jordan class with kobe and shaq
duncan does everything better den kevin garnett on the basketball court
the only thing dat can even be debated about is defense

garnett is a hall of famer
he has a legacy
da same way chris webber has a legacy
but duncan is just in another class

and its not just because of the teams they are on
garnett is not winnin 4 rings with that spurs squad
especially since he loves to shrink in clutch time while duncan embraces it
dem spurs teams dat won aint as nice as yall makin em up to be
duncan had pretty much all to do with it
pop too.


if duncan was one minnesota, there is no way in hell they woulda lost all dem final round series. no way in hell. yall givin garnett too much passes. damn near every year a lower seed beats a higher seed. and the teams dat look better on paper, dont always win (see the 2011 world champs dallas mavs)

garnett coulda did more

 

[CHICAGO]

DUNCAN CAN SHOOT, HANDLE THE ROCK & PASS BETTER THAN KG?



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[Malta]

At the bold, I obviously agree. However I HAD to use assists as my crutch as it's pretty much the only objective thing I could use when discussing creating opportunities for others. My main point with the assists... KG was able to force doubles and use kick outs to his advantage even though he wasn't on the block as much as a guy like Duncan

Post play is important. Agreed.

As far as the true shooting, Duncan has the same TS pretty much. I only listed it to show that KG basically as efficient as Duncan while being further away from the basket. You indirectly countered with your post on baskets assisted. Fine.

Shareef though?

KG was playing from the high post in Minnie, even though he was getting assists it's not quite the same, Chris Webber posted similar assists numbers as well. Both KG and Webber posted higher apg totals than Duncan (Shaq/Howard as well) and neither had the same impact.

 

[Wayans Brehs]

KG was playing from the high post in Minnie, even though he was getting assists it's not quite the same, Chris Webber posted similar assists numbers as well. Both KG and Webber posted higher apg totals than Duncan (Shaq/Howard as well) and neither had the same impact.

I can see why passing out from the block would have more impact than passing out from the high post. No argument out of me there. Damn. Every KG/Duncan thread that I've ever posted in always ends this way

 

[tremonthustler1]

if duncan was one minnesota, there is no way in hell they woulda lost all dem final round series. no way in hell. yall givin garnett too much passes. damn near every year a lower seed beats a higher seed. and the teams dat look better on paper, dont always win (see the 2011 world champs dallas mavs)

garnett coulda did more

Blatantly false. Back to what I said.

what would have been different? Duncan was gonna make Minny warmer? Duncan was gonna make McHale a better GM? Duncan was gonna make Glen Taylor not resort to under the table moves to sign Joe Smith?

 

[Da King]

KG low post game is compared to Duncan, and TD has a legit jump shot

 

[seemorecizzy]

DUNCAN CAN SHOOT, HANDLE THE ROCK & PASS BETTER THAN KG?



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shoot? mayb, dats all garnett does for the most part
but can he score better den duncan? absoutely not

garnett has better handles but it means nothing in da big picture of things lol
big men arent supposed to be handling the rock like dat
and him having better handles den duncan does not give him any advantage really.
some and 1 players got better handles den nba players, who cares.

garnetts a hell of a passer, that can go either way

 

[seemorecizzy]

Blatantly false. Back to what I said.

i think you underating how good tim duncan is/was
and im not even a fan of da spurs
but tim duncan is a one of a kind beast
and i hate lebron's guts
but even if u put trash around him, eventually he's gonna get out da first round
cause hes just dat good
the same applies to duncan

 

[Ritzy Sharon]

For 15 straight seasons Pop has gone after his franchise player in practice. We're talking neck veins bulging, spittle flying, a Gatling gun of obscenities. And all Duncan has done is stare back, absorbing it. "He hasn't always liked it," says former teammate Sean Elliott, now a team announcer, "but he takes it. You know how important that is for the rest of the team to see?"

Or, as one Spurs coach puts it, "How could a guy like Stephen Jackson complain when Pop was motherf------ Tim every day?"

people forget how dysfunctional that T'Wolf franchise was, I'm talking Washington Wizards bad -- only the Wiz didn't forfeit numerous first round picks because their GM/owner tried to sign Hasheem Thabeet under the table.

KG pretty much forged his legacy on his own. it would have been interesting to see how his career would have played out if he was drafted by a first class organization that maximized talent and got the most out of their players.

 

[Champ_KW]

Here's some cold hard numbers going back to 2003 -

03 -
KG - 23% of shots inside paint, 59% of all shots assisted
Duncan - 40% of shots inside paint, 46% of all shots assisted

04 -
KG - 25% of shots inside the paint, 67% of all shots assisted
Duncan - 44% inside the paint, 53% of shots assisted


05
KG - 31% of shots inside the paint, 66% of all shots assisted
Duncan - 42% of shots inside the paint, 51% of all shots assisted


06
KG - 30% of shots inside the paint, 61% of total shots assisted
Duncan - 44% of shots inside the paint, 50% of all shots assisted

07

KG - 23% of shots inside the paint, 60% of total shots assisted
Duncan - 49% of shots inside the paint, 46% of total shots assisted




Should I go on, or do you get the point? One of them battles in the paint and scores buckets on his own without someone else creating for him, while the other shoots jumpers and only plays in the paint sometimes. Duncan's low post game, and his ability to create on the low post, and the ball movement that comes from those kickouts is why he is better.

Give me a low post scoring big over a versatile jumpshooting big any day of the week.

One is a center and the other isn't...so I'm not surprised at your stats you put up. I just always assumed 20 points was 20 points and 10 boards was 10 boards. Regardless if someone gave u an assist or if u had your sneakers in the paint more. KG was good in his own right. Tim has done enough to receive love without all this KG bashing to prop up Duncan.

 

[Da King]

And let's not even begin to put KG. let alone any big in the same league as Duncan's defense

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Nope. I see your point 100%. In fact I'm not surprised. I'm well aware that KG gets assisted on a lot of his shots. Most big men do.. especially jumpshooting ones.

What I am wondering however, is how your research refutes my point about the impact of KG though? Putting up 20/10 while outside of the paint is the exact same 20/10 put up in the post. The assists show that KG was somehow was able to create MORE opportunities for his teammates than Duncan in spite of not playing down low as much. The post play difference isn't nearly as significant as many Duncan advocates would lead you to believe. Plain and simple.

If a dude is deadly with the ball in his hands on the low block, it causes the defense to converge on him and leave people open. It ain't rocket science. The assist number isn't really relevant because it's not always the first pass out of the double team that's going to be the shooter.

 

[tremonthustler1]

and i hate lebron's guts
but even if u put trash around him, eventually he's gonna get out da first round
cause hes just dat good
the same applies to duncan

I'm not underestimating anything. What you're underestimating is how inept ownership is there. I don't wish death on any one, but the day Glen Taylor dies, my first thought will be "R.I.P." followed quickly by the thought of "the odds of this team finally winning a title before I die just shot up 1000% " The only thing that keeps him from getting the kind of hatred and vitriol thrown at him is that people genuinely like him and fans in Minneapolis know that it's either they have a shytty team or no team at all.

 

[Wayans Brehs]

If a dude is deadly with the ball in his hands on the low block, it causes the defense to converge on him and leave people open. It ain't rocket science. The assist number isn't really relevant because it's not always the first pass out of the double team that's going to be the shooter.

duly noted

 

[Cap. Scarlet]

Duncan has had the better career. No debate here.