shouldn't Ancient Egypt be counted as an extension of Nubia?

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The history of ancient India is kind of a mystery so nobody knows for sure what went down, but the idea that white hordes from the north invaded India and subdued the black population and drove them south is outdated cacology that had a racist foundation from the beginning. People just went with those assumptions based on the darker skinned south indians who have their own language group (dravidian) as opposed to the lighter skinned Indians up north who speak an Indo-Aryan language. Sanskrit is an indo-european language, but instead of postulating that maybe European languages originated in India, cacs instead argued the opposite. It's still hotly debated today.

A couple of problems with this theory is that the Vedas never speak of a place outside of India that the Aryans came from. All the sacred places referenced in them are in India itself. IF the Aryans were some sort of racially proud people, why didn't they talk about where they came from? Secondly it's a well known fact among Indians that the purest forms of vedic hinduism aren't even found in the North today, they are found in the South. All the premier gurus who went on to define the religion are from Dravidian South. Sankaracharya, Madhvacharya, Ramanujacharya....these are the top 3 saints of the hindu religion...all vedic brahmins, all Dravidian south Indians.

India was one of the first places humans migrated to after they left Africa. We know that, and anybody who argues otherwise is an idiot....and they were of course all dark skinned. Naturally there was probably different kinds of people who came about because of this after a while with their own way of life or whatever but once the Vedic/Aryan culture started to pop off, it was a wrap. There were people who resisted the takeover and chose to keep their original ways of life and those are the people who eventually became the untouchables...people who fall completely outside the caste system. The rest were organized under the 4 well known castes we know today, and that's the way its been for thousands of years.

People in the North are lighter skinned because India has been invaded by mad people throughout history....notably lighter skinned Persians and Arabs. South Indians are probably a "purer" breed of Indian in that respect but that's as far as it goes, imo. India is just as diverse as Africa in a lot of ways. Simplifying things the way some of these self-appointed experts do is retarded.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

I won't say its impossible for Africans to have had some influence, its evidence to suggest trade took place between East Africa and India going back thousands of years. The evidence of East Africa having any influence on the complexion of Indians ain't all the way there. Me and my stepdad have had arguments on this, it might sound like I'm taking cacs side but in Ancient times the word "Ethiopian" or "Ethiopia" was just as much a way to describe dark skinned people as it was a way to describe the people south of Egypt. That's why in some history books you'll see Indians referred to as Western Ethiopians(as the perception of the Greeks had N/S in reverse back then.) and the actual Ethiopians as the Eastern group.

I think its a very intriguing theory though, cuz the evidence of trade to me is strong enough to give credence to.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

The history of ancient India is kind of a mystery so nobody knows for sure what went down, but the idea that white hordes from the north invaded India and subdued the black population and drove them south is outdated cacology that had a racist foundation from the beginning. People just went with those assumptions based on the darker skinned south indians who have their own language group (dravidian) as opposed to the lighter skinned Indians up north who speak an Indo-Aryan language. Sanskrit is an indo-european language, but instead of postulating that maybe European languages originated in India, cacs instead argued the opposite. It's still hotly debated today.

A couple of problems with this theory is that the Vedas never speak of a place outside of India that the Aryans came from. All the sacred places referenced in them are in India itself. IF the Aryans were some sort of racially proud people, why didn't they talk about where they came from? Secondly it's a well known fact among Indians that the purest forms of vedic hinduism aren't even found in the North today, they are found in the South. All the premier gurus who went on to define the religion are from Dravidian South. Sankaracharya, Madhvacharya, Ramanujacharya....these are the top 3 saints of the hindu religion...all vedic brahmins, all Dravidian south Indians.

India was one of the first places humans migrated to after they left Africa. We know that, and anybody who argues otherwise is an idiot....and they were of course all dark skinned. Naturally there was probably different kinds of people who came about because of this after a while with their own way of life or whatever but once the Vedic/Aryan culture started to pop off, it was a wrap. There were people who resisted the takeover and chose to keep their original ways of life and those are the people who eventually became the untouchables...people who fall completely outside the caste system. The rest were organized under the 4 well known castes we know today, and that's the way its been for thousands of years.

People in the North are lighter skinned because India has been invaded by mad people throughout history....notably lighter skinned Persians and Arabs. South Indians are probably a "purer" breed of Indian in that respect but that's as far as it goes, imo. India is just as diverse as Africa in a lot of ways. Simplifying things the way some of these self-appointed experts do is retarded.

I watched a BBC doc on this and it was suggested Aryans came from Central Asia. I remember in reading Diop that the destruction of the island of Santorini may have caused a migration of the immediate area eventually landing in India. It's a fascinating place that's for sure but if it were my guess I'd say it just became an inviting place for many different people and a diverse tapestry was created from it.

Interesting how the caste works tho, so does that mean an untouchable is discriminated against or simply doesn't fall under the rules and cultural norms of the caste? What particular things do they do differently from those within the caste?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Please clown shut the fukk up..

This is a Dravidian from southern India,.are you that dumb to think Dravidian can't be black..you're just a racist Indian that doesn't know his own history

Did you know the Indus Valley civilization consisted of black people ..the original Dravidians were black

how u gonna tell me what I am? Stop exposing yourself.

Go to Rashidis Facebook and look at the pictures of the people in India he poses with and tell me what they look like. Then get back to me.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I watched a BBC doc on this and it was suggested Aryans came from Central Asia. I remember in reading Diop that the destruction of the island of Santorini may have caused a migration of the immediate area eventually landing in India. It's a fascinating place that's for sure but if it were my guess I'd say it just became an inviting place for many different people and a diverse tapestry was created from it.

Interesting how the caste works tho, so does that mean an untouchable is discriminated against or simply doesn't fall under the rules and cultural norms of the caste? What particular things do they do differently from those within the caste?

Yeah the central Asia theory is the defacto explanation for the aryan Dravidian "divide" but It's been under serious question over the years. You can Google it, lots of info will come up.

Untouchables were those people who were considered savages, they lived in the forests and shyt and didn't get down with the whole vedic culture thing. over time though it came to encompass people who left the religion for one reason or the other. they aren't subject to rules of caste because they literally don't have 1. That's why a lot of them became Buddhists, Christians, and Muslims

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Yeah the central Asia theory is the defacto explanation for the aryan Dravidian "divide" but It's been under serious question over the years. You can Google it, lots of info will come up.

Untouchables were those people who were considered savages, they lived in the forests and shyt and didn't get down with the whole vedic culture thing. over time though it came to encompass people who left the religion for one reason or the other. they aren't subject to rules of caste because they literally don't have 1. That's why a lot of them became Buddhists, Christians, and Muslims

I'ma google it, I'd laugh if Diop ended up being right.

True true that makes sense. I did reading on the Siddis some time back so it gave me a small picture of how the whole untouchable thing works. So if they don't fall under Buddism, Christianity, or Islam would an untouchable be? Animism n shyt like that isn't practiced in India is it?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I'ma google it, I'd laugh if Diop ended up being right.

True true that makes sense. I did reading on the Siddis some time back so it gave me a small picture of how the whole untouchable thing works. So if they don't fall under Buddism, Christianity, or Islam would an untouchable be? Animism n shyt like that isn't practiced in India is it?

The actual Sanskrit word for the untouchable is mleccha, it means barbarian. Anybody who didn't submit to the Vedas fell under that category. That's why buddhism was such a threat when it first started to pop off in India. Buddhism rejects the authority of the vedas while still using a lot of its ideas. It damn near almost took over until Sankara started a vedic revival and ran Buddhism eastward out of India. Pretty crazy how that went down. Oh and the Buddha was another high caste Indian with dark skin

And yeah animism is practiced by a lot of forest tribes in India.

 

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how u gonna tell me what I am? Stop exposing yourself.

Go to Rashidis Facebook and look at the pictures of the people in India he poses with and tell me what they look like. Then get back to me.

Have you ever been in a Dalit community..I'm sure Runoko knows more on what they look like than you do..

 

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just check the biblical scripts. you can see how powerful and the ties between egypt and ethiopia.

www.biblos.com just type in ethiopia in the search engine and notice how often egypt is in the same sentence. also notice how ethiopia is spoken of in terms of MIGHT/POWER, etc.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

The actual Sanskrit word for the untouchable is mleccha, it means barbarian. Anybody who didn't submit to the Vedas fell under that category. That's why buddhism was such a threat when it first started to pop off in India. Buddhism rejects the authority of the vedas while still using a lot of its ideas. It damn near almost took over until Sankara started a vedic revival and ran Buddhism eastward out of India. Pretty crazy how that went down. Oh and the Buddha was another high caste Indian with dark skin

And yeah animism is practiced by a lot of forest tribes in India.

Yea I know about Buddha also, he was a prince.

I didn't know the caste system(its western media that makes us think its by skin tone), actually had numbers from 1 - 4 and how professions are tied to them, of course it's not like that anymore, but a lot of people marry accordingly still, in fact the marriage part is still common in india. basically its looked down upon to marry 'down' your rating. the indian homies in china were kicking me down with all that knowledge. for whatever reason Im coo with all the indians in my city, maybe it's the dharma wheel on my forearm lol, or cause Im familiar since I used to live with an indian guy for years.

My old roommate was from chennai, but he mostly talked about tribes then castes, like punjabi etc. one of my best friends is bengali the other is half indian dravidan and half sri lankan (dude is waaay darker than me and has 2 sick cultural sleeves, Im actually chillin with him this NYE) anyways we used to chill at the crib and they used to talk mad shyt to each other when we'd play ps3 lol. the only one that never got shyt was my ex-gf's best friend who is sikh, NONE of my friends EVER said anything bad about her or her brother. We'd all chill with them and their friends at a bar or indian restaurant and they'd all go back and forth on some tribal rivalries and the sikhs would just chill in the cut like

They must be VERY respected in india. Apparently they're tall, warriors, smooth skin, strong bodies, like the spartans of india or something?

my ex's bff is one of the finest women I've ever seen in my life, she's a fitness model in canada, her face looks like someone drew it, so flawless. :noah2: she only dates white dudes and latinos tho.

I chill with all these indians and never been with an indian girl. I get close and something happens or I get cock blocked by indian dudes.
I don't know what angle to approach them. they give me signs like flirt, wink, but when it's time to go on a date something goes wrong. Not sure if I should be aggressive or passive.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Yea I know about Buddha also, he was a prince.

I didn't know the caste system(its western media that makes us think its by skin tone), actually had numbers from 1 - 4 and how professions are tied to them, of course it's not like that anymore, but a lot of people marry accordingly still, in fact the marriage part is still common in india. basically its looked down upon to marry 'down' your rating. the indian homies in china were kicking me down with all that knowledge. for whatever reason Im coo with all the indians in my city, maybe it's the dharma wheel on my forearm lol, or cause Im familiar since I used to live with an indian guy for years.

My old roommate was from chennai, but he mostly talked about tribes then castes, like punjabi etc. one of my best friends is bengali the other is half indian dravidan and half sri lankan (dude is waaay darker than me and has 2 sick cultural sleeves, Im actually chillin with him this NYE) anyways we used to chill at the crib and they used to talk mad shyt to each other when we'd play ps3 lol. the only one that never got shyt was my ex-gf's best friend who is sikh, NONE of my friends EVER said anything bad about her or her brother. We'd all chill with them and their friends at a bar or indian restaurant and they'd all go back and forth on some tribal rivalries and the sikhs would just chill in the cut like

They must be VERY respected in india. Apparently they're tall, warriors, smooth skin, strong bodies, like the spartans of india or something?

my ex's bff is one of the finest women I've ever seen in my life, she's a fitness model in canada, her face looks like someone drew it, so flawless. :noah2: she only dates white dudes and latinos tho.

I chill with all these indians and never been with an indian girl. I get close and something happens or I get cock blocked by indian dudes.
I don't know what angle to approach them. they give me signs like flirt, wink, but when it's time to go on a date something goes wrong. Not sure if I should be aggressive or passive.

They probably just wanted to fukk her

Sikhs are just another group in India there isn't anything special about the way they are treated as far as I know...but then again you seem to chill with more Indians than I do, lol. I don't really fukk with Indians like that tbh.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

They probably just wanted to fukk her

Sikhs are just another group in India there isn't anything special about the way they are treated as far as I know...but then again you seem to chill with more Indians than I do, lol. I don't really fukk with Indians like that tbh.

lol. yea they big up sikhs all the time, I tried to do some research on what makes them such warriors, like maybe there were some ancient stories, but I could only find one battle against the brits, other than that I don't see any where, where they repelled invaders or conqoured land.

and yea, they wanted to fukk both them chicks, but whats funny is they didn't even pay attention to neither one until I was like "ya know, Harpreet and Lilia are pretty fly, they always chillin alone, I think I'mma holler."

them nikkas hit the real quick.

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

dravidian indians share a haplotype T and R and also a cluster with m3. which means dravidians are genetically related to some east african tribes. http://www.oocities.org/ekwesi.geo/dra2.htm

sorry for the bad pic, but on the first one it shows the relation in the haplotype clusters in red

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0041252

 

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dravidian indians share a haplotype T and R and also a cluster with m3. which means dravidians are genetically related to some east african tribes. http://www.oocities.org/ekwesi.geo/dra2.htm

sorry for the bad pic, but on the first one it shows the relation in the haplotype clusters in red

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0041252

Exactly..like I said..the original people of India were African..we all came out of Africa and traveled to India like 40,000 years ago..of course there were black Dravidians..dude keeps saying the Caste system wasnt racist when the whole Internet agrees that it was..he's just some brain washed Indian kid trying to argue facts on the Internet..it happened 1000s of years ago..it's like someone saying in the year 4000 that the Jim Crow laws or the Apartied wasnt racist

http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Indus_Valley_India_1.htm

http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Indus_Valley_India_2.htm

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Exactly..like I said..the original people of India were African..we all came out of Africa and traveled to India like 40,000 years ago..of course there were black Dravidians..dude keeps saying the Caste system wasnt racist when the whole Internet agrees that it was..he's just some brain washed Indian kid trying to argue facts on the Internet..it happened 1000s of years ago..it's like someone saying in the year 4000 that the Jim Crow laws or the Apartied wasnt racist

http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Indus_Valley_India_1.htm

http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Indus_Valley_India_2.htm

You think like a simpleton and I already pulled your card in this thread...

Nobody is disputing human migrations out of africa, the humans who stayed there retained their physical traits due to environmental factors, and those who left had their physical traits adapt accordingly. Those Indians who stayed isolated in the forests and damp environments look the way they do because of those reasons. It's really not that complicated. The indus valley was not an "African civilization." It was an Indian civilization with its own characteristics through and through.

The caste system originally was a way to divide society based on specific roles, from the priests down to the manual laborers, as I already explained. Color/race has nothing to do with it.

Aren't you mixed or something? I'm a "high caste" indian and probably darker than you