Should men be forced to pay child support if they let the woman know in advance that they don’t want the child?

[Shadow King]

Effectively we all are paying, sure. It's the principle of not incentivizing people to be reckless.

People, or men?

 

[breakfuss]

People, or men?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

It's the principal.

I don't care with it's just an extra 25 cents or a dollar, I'll be dammed if my taxes go up even 1 cent just because some dudes want to opt out of providing financial surpport for their children.

Alternative is kids starving on the streets, growing into broken adults that will come and take your little 25 cents

 

[Ohnoits]

I'm not paying higher taxes because a stranger couldn't be bothered to be more careful.

Sorry - gotta pay for your kid.

 

[The ADD]

Alternative is kids starving on the streets, growing into broken adults that will come and take your little 25 cents

No the alternative is people handling their direct responsibilities.

 

[Shadow King]

That's what I thought

 

[MeachTheMonster]

No the alternative is people handling their direct responsibilities.

Can’t govern responsibility.

 

[The ADD]

Can’t govern responsibility.

You also don’t have to govern additional burden on taxpayers

Try again

 

[bourgeoisie tall freak]

i literally gave a legal out and a personal story of gettin out of child support..

and one of my first posts mentioned that same tactic. nikkas don't be reading or researching and want to go back and forth

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You also don’t have to govern additional burden on taxpayers

Try again

I’m not advocating to abolish child support like some goofy nikkas in here

Just saying as a society we foot the bill for taking care of those who can’t take care of themselves. That’s kinda why society exists.

In reality there’s more than enough resources for every one to be ok. It’s the way our country is governed that creates these imbalances in the first place. This wouldn’t even be a debate if everyone got equal access to things like education and healthcare, quality housing, etc.

It can be done as we see in other modern wealthy societies. But Americans are too stuck on fighting with each other about their tax dollars and freedoms

 

[The ADD]

I’m not advocating to abolish child support like some goofy nikkas in here

Just saying as a society we foot the bill for taking care of those who can’t take care of themselves. That’s kinda why society exists.

In reality there’s more than enough resources for every one to be ok. It’s the way our country is governed that creates these imbalances in the first place. This wouldn’t even be a debate if everyone got equal access to things like education and healthcare, quality housing, etc.

It can be done as we see in other modern wealthy societies. But Americans are too stuck on fighting with each other about their tax dollars and freedoms

We aren’t having the same discussion. I’m purely talking about the notion that men should be able to relinquish rights and have those cost passes on to taxpayers

We all pay into safety nets but paying into it additionally for this is nonsense

 

[CarmelBarbie]

I’ve got an idea. Chasity belts for everyone. They don’t get unlocked until you get married. Then mandatory vasectomies and tubes tied for any married couple that doesn’t want children. And No divorces no matter what.

That’ll reduce abortion rates, increase marriages, decrease stds, decrease the need for child support, decrease divorce, decrease premarital sex and these discussions.

 

[Matt504]

I’ve got an idea. Chasity belts for everyone. They don’t get unlocked until you get married. Then mandatory vasectomies and tubes tied for any married couple that doesn’t want children. And No divorces no matter what.

That’ll reduce abortion rates, increase marriages, decrease stds, decrease the need for child support, decrease divorce, decrease premarital sex and these discussions.

You might be onto something

 

[Diyhai]

This is how it should work:

Chris impregnates Ashley. Chris says "I don't want to be involved in the child's life financially, physically, emotionally etc." Chris tells her this very early...like as soon as she learns she's pregnant.

They go to a judge and Ashley agrees to release Chris from his duties. It's legal precedent and set in stone. That's the only way it COULD work. He can't just smash and knock her up and then be like "I don't wanna be the daddy" unless they both feel the same way.

However.....the courts look at what's best for the child. That makes sense. The child needs someone to be their advocate. The mom may not want the dad involved because she thinks he's an "ain't shyt nikka" but the courts say that he needs to AT LEAST contribute financially even if he's not there in the flesh.

While the system feels unfair, men don't carry children. In a 50/50 situation, the woman is going to get the nod because ultimately they take on the risk of carrying a child. Men can impregnate 20 women/week if we wanted to. Women can only carry around the child/twins/triplets etc., of one man once they are preggo.

I don't understand why people keep bringing up the woman carrying the child. She can carry the child and then give it up for adoption and abortions are less of a health risk than pregnancy.

 

[Houston911]

I’ve got an idea. Chasity belts for everyone. They don’t get unlocked until you get married. Then mandatory vasectomies and tubes tied for any married couple that doesn’t want children. And No divorces no matter what.

That’ll reduce abortion rates, increase marriages, decrease stds, decrease the need for child support, decrease divorce, decrease premarital sex and these discussions.

Lol, condoms work tho

women just want that raw (according to every dude I know)