Seattle agrees to raise minimum wage to $15

[Julius Skrrvin]

Whats funny is that you take any dissension as a strike to your core.

I already said I supported an increase...but there is a limit to what I support.

The point of a minimum wage is to ensure you've got change in your pocket.

Its the individuals job to do more than that.

Minimum wage exists for a reason, and not for the reasons you all are so hell bent on supporting.

I don't take it as a strike to my core . I'm not the people you're shytting on. But the way you talk about people on the bottom of the food chain says a lot to me.

It's not about the minimum wage anymore, it's about the language you use breh. It's economically Nietzschean.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You support an increase to $10, but if it's $15, that's an invalid argument that can't be taken seriously? Where do you draw this arbitrarily line between sound policy and outlandishness? What if I want a minimum wage of $12.50 to split the difference between pragmatism and lunacy, as defined by you? If you're going to just throw out arbitrary numbers based on no real economic data, don't attach such assured assumptions to them.

Like I said in the other thread:

Its easy to get in on the anti-corporate circlejerk of giant business parks that rape employees from 9-5 and send them home with bandaids of single dollar bills to wipe their tears.

BUT this is minimum wage we're talking about.

This affects EVERY single business from barberships and corner stores...to Apple and Xerox.

The world is a lot more complex than that.

And theres tons of data that opposed the $15 wage. Even the most liberal/left magazines/blogs/journals etc were REALLY tense to support what seattle just did.

If I post it, will you just ignore that too?

I'm not on some "fukk poor people" shyt...but hell, lets not lionize MINIMUM wage here. Theres a reason YOU and I don't make that money. And theres a reason some jobs BARELY qualify for more than what the government will let you get away with.

Ya'll won't support telling corporations how to spend their money...so ya'll gotta come up with some other alternatives cause raising the floor doesn't exist in a bubble.

 

[Type Username Here]

I don't take it as a strike to my core . I'm not the people you're shytting on. But the way you talk about people on the bottom of the food chain says a lot to me.

It's not about the minimum wage anymore, it's about the language you use breh. It's economically Nietzschean.

He thinks anyone who advocates for fair wages must be making min. wage or close to it.

Truth is he is probably near the bottom of the wage scale, below other posters here. The same system he defends has deemed him unworthy. It's almost beautiful in a way.

 

[Insensitive]

Good. I'm glad your mad.

My point stands.

If you're raising a family and relying on MINIMUM wage as a single mother. You're fukking up. Not on some widow shyt either. so miss me with your future anecdotes

Pure. And. Simple.

It doesn't matter WHAT that minimum is, cause not only are 95% of US workers making more than you, but they clearly have skills to make them more employable at higher wages than you.

Ya'll are making minimum wage into something its not...and until you stop equating a minimum wage with a living wage, we'll NEVER agree on a way to address these issues.

Nobody is mad breh.
They're just mocking your emotional arguments that fly in the face of research
and seasoned economists.

Also it's kind of ironic to see you state you're a "scientist" who is "objective", but you clearly
have committed a few logical fallacies since you've started your crusade against the "Minimum Wage to $15" crowd.
Even if you won't admit that, @Broke Wave has welcomed you to present any statistical evidence to the contrary which
you've repeatedly shied away from in favor of more emotional arguments which are all tinged with the stench of elitism and
general disdain and contempt for the "the little guy" as @Broletariat pointed out.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I don't take it as a strike to my core . I'm not the people you're shytting on. But the way you talk about people on the bottom of the food chain says a lot to me.

It's not about the minimum wage anymore, it's about the language you use breh. It's economically Nietzschean.

I cant take folks seriously when they talk about CEO compensation as if that helps their argument on MINIMUM wage. Execs make money. OK. Fine.

Now what about Jim in the mail room? Or suzy at the door greeting customers?

How much is their work worth?

I personally DO NOT think minimum wage entitles you a lot beyond that.

We're not even talking about what states choose to do above FEDERAL minimum wage. We're talking what applies to EVERYONE and then what states and cities want to do above that.

And I ALREADY SAID I SUPPORT AN INCREASE...so don't say it like I don't

 

[Poitier]

How much is their work worth?

Wrong, the first question is always "can they live on this wage?"

at least in a prosperous society

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

He thinks anyone who advocates for fair wages must be making min. wage or close to it.

Truth is he is probably near the bottom of the wage scale, below other posters here. The same system he defends has deemed him unworthy. It's almost beautiful in a way.

You're trying to psychoanalyze shyt and pass it off as if you've tapped into some hidden truth when its absolute bullshyt.

Why can't you focus on the topic though?

Does EVERYONE who thinks absurdly high MINIMUM wages is unacceptable therefore someone who is a self-hating underachiever?

How does that make any sense.

Its a complete charade for you to side-step the issue and an overt ad-hominem...

 

[Type Username Here]

Claim others are not being logical by presenting emotional stances as paramount objective economic doctrines that should supersede tangible evidence brehs

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Wrong, the first question is always "can they live on this wage?"

NOPE.

Never was.

MINIMUM wage WAS NEVER intended to be a living wage, and I would ardently support this definition moving forward.

This is FEDERAL.

Meaning mississippi to texas to cali to alaska.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Claim others are not being logical by presenting emotional stances as paramount objective economic doctrines that should supersede tangible evidence brehs

claim others who disagree with minimum wage increases at 2-3x time their current levels must be struggling low class workers themselves brehs

See how that works?

 

[Poitier]

NOPE.

Never was.

MINIMUM wage WAS NEVER intended to be a living wage, and I would ardently support this definition moving forward.

This is FEDERAL.

Meaning mississippi to texas to cali to alaska.

I don't care about "what it was intended to be" but "what it should be"

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Nobody is mad breh.
They're just mocking your emotional arguments that fly in the face of research
and seasoned economists.

Also it's kind of ironic to see you state you're a "scientist" who is "objective", but you clearly
have committed several logical fallacies since you've started your crusade against the "Minimum Wage to $15" crowd.
Even if you won't admit that, @Broke Wave has welcomed you to present any statistical evidence to the contrary which
you've repeatedly shied away from in favor of more emotional arguments which are all tinged with the stench of elitism and
general disdain and contempt for the "the little guy" as @Broletariat pointed out.

This is like the 5th thread we've had on this topic and I'm tired of searching for the same sources. Go look at the other threads.

That being said, "research" by economists never gets met with skepticism if it agrees with what you claim to agree with about how the world shuold work.

Someone even had the nerve to bring up Krugman's "Nobel Prize"...not even acknowledging what that award really is or understanding its not an actual Nobel

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I don't care about "what it was intended to be" but "what it should be"

Nah b.

Minimum wage shouldn't be thought of as "what it takes to live on"

its a measurement of what the government thinks EVERYONE from coast to coast should AT LEAST be taking home.

That covers a lot of people...and most people don't live on minimum wage.

The government is saying: You should have SOMETHING to show for your work, a few coins if nothing else and all jobs must at least give this to you.

Even further, if you think scraping by on the BARE MINIMUM is going to help you, then you're already losing int he game.

EVEN FURTHER, lets get into "living wage"...ok. Define that. And define how FEDERAL minimum wage will adjust for NY...CALI...and...West Virginia and Idaho

AT THE FARTHEST, minimum wage is just that. A floor. You don't live on the floor, nor should you realistically expect to.

 

[tmonster]

There's nothing ridiculous about raising minimum wage. "As if its going to put people on the same playing field", logical fallacy at work.

Anyways you sound very confident. You must have a lot of certs. What year were you born? 90 something, amirite?

Are you sure?what if i just keep saying it's ridiculous?won't that eventually make it ridiculous?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I agree that the minimum wage/living wage thing is a red herring. But @Napoleon's whole M.O. is shytting on people and arguing as much as possible. shyt's