Dude created a robot that almost took over the world, him and his dad or geniuses, but he didnt know his own family history abd stay getting fooled by one off bad guys.
Be smart for no good reason brehs
say cuz, why was there a camera on a deserted street in the middle of no where, where tony starks...
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Be smart for no good reason brehs
yall are dumb bucky told him when he and falcoln had him in the garage, steve told him to start tlkn and thats when bucky mentioned the other winter soilders. yes tonys dad wld not have security on his property 
, or that it cldnt be stolen or dat hydra which infiltrated the very people he worked for (shield) wldnt have files and stuff on him 
, or that it cldnt be stolen or dat hydra which infiltrated the very people he worked for (shield) wldnt have files and stuff on him 
Zola didn't say it out right that's why when Tony first asked him if he knew he tried to explain that he didn't really know because he didn't. Zola implied that hydra killed them by saying that hydra took out obsticles and showing the headline of Howard
Stark's death. Cap put 2 ans 2 together on his own that Bucky did it. He never confirmed it was Bucky because he didn't want to know but Stark wouldn't take that for an answer.
Being smart, even genius level, doesn't mean knowing everything and having no blindspots. When his parents died the last thing he would want to do is a deep investigation of what looked like a straightforward car accident. He'd be emotional as hell and feeling guilt over the last thing he said to them, the movie even through in a scene of him dealing with that past guilt and it still haunting him.
Norrin Radd
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Marvel so strong they got brehs rewatching "trash" 
David_TheMan
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Yeah that is more than a stretch to try to conclude that from that small conversation and picture of a dead stark and a presumed dead Fury that Cap figured all that shyt out to the point he knew Bucky killed Tony's parents.
Bryan Danielson
Jmare007 x Bryan Danielson x JLova = King Ghidorah
Again..... we talking about a 3-7 hour flight from America to a foreign country
Is it even possible that couldve came up during in route discussion? I mean really?
Again think about from the time they took flight till when they landed and all the shyt Tony was able to do?
No way in hell he was able to get Rhodey to a hospital, see his surgery, a ticket for Spidy back to NY, securing and transporting of prisoners, debriefing with his superiors, then going to that secret prison and talking to the captives all in 30 mins and still be able to meet Bucky and Cap when they arrive
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AnonymityX1000
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Or @ the end of Winter Soldier Black Widow gives Cap a top secret dossier on everything Bucky. It could mention in there he killed or is suspected to have killed H. Stark. There are a number of ways Cap could have known.Again..... we talking about a 3-7 hour flight from America to a foreign country
Is it even possible that couldve came up during in route discussion? I mean really?
Again think about from the time they took flight till when they landed and all the shyt Tony was able to do?
No way in hell he was able to get Rhodey to a hospital, see his surgery, a ticket for Spidy back to NY, securing and transporting of prisoners, debriefing with his superiors, then going to that secret prison and talking to the captives all in 30 mins and still be able to meet Bucky and Cap when they arrive
He knew Bucky was the ghost assassin hydra sent when they wanted someone dead quietly so it's reasonable for him to suspect he was the one they sent to kill Stark. He never really knew for sure until he saw the video because he didn't want to know. When Tony asked "did you know" the first thing Cap said is I didn't know it was him. That was the truth but also a lie. It was true that he never had proof of what Bucky did but a lie in the sense that he had enough information to suspect the possibility.
Once he found out Cap was coming he deliberately let it be known that he killed the real psychiatrist and framed Bucky so that people would believe Bucky's story and send backup for Cap, which would likely include Tony.
AnonymityX1000
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The bad guy set it in motion by ordering breakfast remotely from Russia to his hotel room in Vienna where the real interrogator's body was left in his hotel room bath tub.
Friday alerted Tony to the body being discovered and to Zemo's identity. Therefore the conspiracy Cap explained to Tony was now reality for Tony so Tony had to help him out being a super hero and all.
Bryan Danielson
Jmare007 x Bryan Danielson x JLova = King Ghidorah
Welp.... looks like this thread is done (open and shut case Johnson)
So let's recap all the opportunities Cap could've got that info;
From the dossier report from Black Widow in Cap 2,
From the time he captured Bucky and had him stuck in the vice interrogating him,
On the trip to meet Peggy's niece to get their equipment,
On that 3-10hr international flight from American to whichever foreign country that Hydra base was located .
Conclusion..... no plot hole....all that is plausible.
Time to move on
-Fred...... no....
-Martha
David_TheMan
Banned
Yeah everyone knew Bucky was a Hydra assassin
No one knew except Hydra upper echelon that Bucky killed the Starks directly, but seeing the missing serum, Shield had to have concluded they were assasinated internally, if they didn't they would be the worst intelligence agency in the history of movies.
Again no problem with the tape, that said Cap telling Tony he knew makes no sense to the story, if he knew how would he have known if it was internal Shield files, Tony would have known himself seeing that he was still haunted by the deaths. Also if he had known that his parents were assasinated after TWS, he would have had aple opportunity to tell Tony pre-civil War, before the Bucky situation directly.
All of it adds up to movie illogic to get to that point and that scene to jusitfy a fight there.
In my opinion that is poor writing and a plot hole since that Cap presents isnt shown.