Santa Monica, California decline

[Mike Nasty]

let me break it down for y’all
Capitalism absolutely destroyed our middle class.

Not capitalism, but NAFTA.

 

[WIA20XX]

Not capitalism, but NAFTA.

I mean before NAFTA, manufacturing moved out of heavily unionized areas to non-union states in the south.

And those jobs in GA and FL had lower wages and less benefits.

That's capitalism.

Because the Mexicans cost too much, Nixon opened up China and Clinton brought them into the WTO - so all the manufacturing went there as well.

But wanting to turn a communist state into a capitalist economy is not Capitalism - it's imperialism.

 

[Cobalt Sire]

The policy of the US government since I've become an adult, has been to take away programs that help people become successful. They've heavily reduced education funding. A lot of people couldn't finish college because of the Pell grant cuts. A lot of jobs got sent overseas, or they brought in foreigners to work them. The US allows corporations and foreign nationals to buy up all the housing, which they then rent out for sky high prices. Basically the US is run by idiots that are intentionally trying to stop people from having money and a place to live, or they allow rich people to buy up everything and charge high prices, hence the high rate of homelessness.

 

[Mike Nasty]

I mean before NAFTA, manufacturing moved out of heavily unionized areas to non-union states in the south.

And those jobs in GA and FL had lower wages and less benefits.

That's capitalism.

Those jobs at least stayed in country. Because of NAFTA whole industries moved out of the country, not just plants. It collapsed whole cities.

 

[WIA20XX]

Those jobs at least stayed in country. Because of NAFTA whole industries moved out of the country, not just plants. It collapsed whole cities.

Moving factories out of the Midwest to the South, turned the Midwest into the Rust Belt.
Destruction of all types of cities and States in the US, by the US companies.

So the net gain went to businesses, not the citizens, not "the country", unless you consider the country - unless you consider the country a bunch of corporations.

 

[areohbee824]

Haven't been that way in a while and been meaning to go but damn

 

[50CentStan]

Ehhh I watched the video. Tldr; cacs don't like it when their neighborhoods go to shyt. But perfectly fine when black and brown ones do

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

Libby didn’t run it into the ground, it was on that trajectory as that (JB’s) gentrification is exactly what kicked off the increase in homelessness, way before Libby. And Oakland only truly thrives because of the spillover from SF, it’s not coincidental that once people and businesses started leaving SF, Oakland saw a ton of boarded up businesses and vacant apartments.

And that’s nice you have anecdotal experience with people who “came up”. My neighborhood tells a different story as do the declines in the black population. We didn’t benefit from the rapid gentrification that happened from 08-18

After the 08 crash, a lot of tech moved to Oakland to take advantage of the low real estate prices and Brown's pro business policies. You can say that the decline of SF played a significant role in Oakland's downturn, but Brown's policy attracted a lot of money, and with it, Oakland's cultural capital skyrocketed. Oakland was stealing SFs shine for a while in the early 2010s.

 

[Marc Spector]

Not capitalism, but NAFTA.

my guy this problem has been ongoing well before NAFTA

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

After the 08 crash, a lot of tech moved to Oakland to take advantage of the low real estate prices and Brown's pro business policies. You can say that the decline of SF played a significant role in Oakland's downturn, but Brown's policy attracted a lot of money, and with it, Oakland's cultural capital skyrocketed. Oakland was stealing SFs shine for a while in the early 2010s.

No it wasn’t and tech didn’t move to Oakland until the mid-late 10’s (and never really took off because of the pandemic) and it was because of cheaper real estate than SF. Oakland “benefitted” from SF during its boom, not Brown’s policies.

 

[the cac mamba]

More and more the mask is peeling back from Graham Stephan. He's always been Sus, especially when you hear his backstory...

Both Sider (closet Trumper) The Breakdown of society = fault of the liberal government

i don't have a problem with rich people who vote republican why the fukk wouldn't they? like i'm supposed to be offended that 50 cent moved to texas and votes for trump. he's worth 9 figures, of course he did

it's anyone else voting republican that's the problem. poor people who vote republican are idiots

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

No it wasn’t and tech didn’t move to Oakland until the mid-late 10’s (and never really took off because of the pandemic) and it was because of cheaper real estate than SF. Oakland “benefitted” from SF during its boom, not Brown’s policies.

The 10K plan was absolutely instrumental in the 2010s revival. Read any article from the period.

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

High cost of living (rent/mortgage/taxes/etc.)
High competition for jobs (especially “unskilled” labor)
Low enforcement on homeless
Low enforcement on petty crimes
High mental illness issues
People come here chasing dreams and end up stuck

Actually, it's a byproduct of them enforcing homeless/indigent person mandates.

A lot of people don't know/realize that the VA hospital is not too far down Wilshire the other way plus hospitals in LA have been caught multiple times dropping homeless/mentally ill people off in Santa Monica and San Pedro to hide them from tourists visiting.... a considerable portion of those homeless people you'd likely come across are prior service members who have mental health/substance abuse issues.

What a lot of people do overlook is how Venice and Santa Monica both fell victim to all the tech companies setting up shop there,driving up rent prices and demolishing the communities that had been there for 100+ years...and when the well ran dry for many of those startups they left and passed on the problems they caused to whoever was willing to pay the lease.

 

[Hater Eraser]

It’s a coastal beach city…


Beach cities tend to have a high number of homeless

Actually, it's a byproduct of them enforcing homeless/indigent person mandates.


What a lot of people do overlook is how Venice and Santa Monica both fell victim to all the tech companies setting up shop there,driving up rent prices and demolishing the communities that had been there for 100+ years...and when the well ran dry for many of those startups they left and passed on the problems they caused to whoever was willing to pay the lease.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

The 10K plan was absolutely instrumental in the 2010s revival. Read any article from the period.

I don’t have to read an article, I lived through it. No one is denying he built more housing, and that housing led to gentrification as SF took off and people moved over here because they couldn’t afford to rent/buy in SF. Oakland directly benefited from SF’s tech boom. We’ve been building a ton of apartments for the last 7 years and they are not thriving the way rentals were from 2010-2020 due to SF’s decline and thus less reason to be in this metro and/or settle for Oakland over SF