Ryan Coogler & Michael B. Jordan vampire film "Sinners"

[The Wolf Among You]

Two criminal brothers on the run and a Preacher's son travel to a bar. Once there they are attacked by vampires and one of the brothers gets turned into a vampire.

Is that the plot for FDTD or Sinners? If you can't see how he stole the plot then agree to disagree. Even Double Toasted called it.

All great artists steal. I heard Coogler personally screened this movie for Robert Rodriguez so he’s not hiding his inspiration.
Guess what? From Dusk ‘Til Dawn was inspired by Richard Wenk and Donald Borchers’ movie Vamp.
It’s not a bad thing.

 

[Barlow]

I said stole, Ryan said inspired.

Set in the 80s, A low level hustler rises to the top of the drug trade to become a ruthless drug lord who ultimately meets his demise after using and turning on those around him.

Is this Scarface or new jack city

 

[Rollie Forbes]

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

now imaging Double Toasted which is hosted by TWO BLACK MEN bringing up the obvious rip off of FDTD in the first minute of their Sinners review

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does that make you feel better or something? You know you're the embarrassment here right?

I won't be replying to you again.

 

[OJ Simpsom]

Set in the 80s, A low level hustler rises to the top of the drug trade to become a ruthless drug lord who ultimately meets his demise after using and turning on those around him.

Is this Scarface or new jack city

They don't call it New JACK City for nothing

And Avatar stole from Dancing with Wolves. This ain't new in Hollywood Sinners ain't the first movie to steal and get called out for it.

Good Artist borrow. Great Artist steal.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

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How many of you brehs would have fukked around (find out) and got bit

Man I would have been gone breh

Without a doubt

 

[John Reena]

Everybody steals from each other. Coogler admitted

No latinos? Who does that guy think fixed the roof after Sammie sang it off?

I’m crying

 

[Lhark]

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How many of you brehs would have fukked around (find out) and got bit

She would've got me, had me blushing in my seat and she wasn't even talking to me.

 

[Barlow]

They don't call it New JACK City for nothing

And Avatar stole from Dancing with Wolves. This ain't new in Hollywood Sinners ain't the first movie to steal and get called out for it.

Good Artist borrow. Great Artist steal.

a brooding detective searches for a killer maniac who’s setting up an elaborate series of events in order to expose the hypocrisy in society and the detective chasing him

It takes place in a crime ridden dark city and the detective never feels the satisfaction of “winning”. His love interest is also killed by the maniac

Morgan freeman is also in both

Is this Batman the dark knight or Se7en

My point is you’re loosely boiling down the plots to like 2 things and saying one “stole” the plot from the other when there’s way more differences than similarities. Of course there’s only so many themes that can be told through a story the same way there’s only so many chords for a song.

A bugs life and Ants
White House Down and Olympus has fallen

Those are stolen plots

I get this is the internet and everything is hyperbole but words have meanings. Inspired =/ stolen

 

[Kiyoshi-Dono]

Supposed problack men slurping off Quentin fukking Tarantino who has been known to cherry pick other movies and in 4k admit it
Is some true nasty work

 

[Killmongerplaycousin]

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I love the conversation around this film, but I think some peoples ideas about this film are based on their perception of Ryan Coogler and not his reality. Ryan has always been an extremely inclusive writer. If you ask Ryan, he wrote the Asian characters yelling to come in because her husband was gone, not because she was


. We know this isn’t the case. Asians were and still are extremely


. He included the natives , made them wise and privy to the existence of the vampires. Most of the black characters were none the wiser to any overt supernatural presence for the most part . Ryan isn’t doing this nefariously on some Tyler Perry time , he genuinely respects other people’s cultures. That translation in his writing needs to get a little better for his next outing because I believe he elevates others a little too much without having those discussions about their relationships with our people. I remember for Black Panther 2 he said in an interview something along the lines that it was imperative that the Talokan were as strong , if not stronger than the Wakandas because it was important for Latinos to see strong characters and something about how they have shared oppression with us . Most non-black directors aren’t doing that . Looking for that extra deep social commentary I think just isn’t his style generally though. He’s not the kind of writer, and this burden is put on too many black filmmakers for the most part. We have to take his work for what it is at face value, which is a good film.

 

[Belize King]

Ya got me excited.

Just called the Wife to set up a date night. Our neighbor has to watch the kids but I’m ready. We trying for tomorrow. Probably imax.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

And other director would’ve made Smoke & Stack like this for humor

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What the Fu&k did I just see

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[nieman]

I don't think it was ripped off, but there are enough elements for the comparison to be valid. And it's not necessarily a bad comparison, with From Dusk til Dawn's cult status faithful fans, keeping it alive and strong, 30 years later. I don't even like From Dusk Til Dawn and feel that this is a far better movie, better quality acting, better presented themes, better characters. But there are some shared elements, and styles, but moreso once the vampires arrived. I think it's that sequence that ends up reminding people of it, and then going back and noticing the other similarities. But there's also plenty that's different, like an entire lived-in world/town before you even get to the juke. BUT, it only matters if you're a fan of From Dusk til Dawn. If you're not, or haven't even seen it, all of this is irrelevant.

Now, back to Sinners. This is really a musical, so I guess that does allow for some of the whimsical elements. But with the major musical sequence, do people like what it represents or like it as a plot point of the movie? Everything I'm reading and hearing discusses that part like it's outside of the normal beats of the movie. And considering how much a lot of movie watchers despise musicals, I'm shocked there's so many are loving it. But that also means it goes back to loving what the movie represents over the plot.

Yeah, I think I'm going to stick with it at a 7 - 7.5. I still say some things should've been presented earlier in the film, so that it doesn't break into 2, like Full Metal Jacket.

 

[Trav]

Still thinking about this movie, to me one of the morals of the story is that

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it is not all those things that are designated as sins by the Church that cause Black people's situation.

Music and dancing, drinking/alcoholism, sex/cheating, gambling and lying, all of those were part of the night and while they obviously aren't necessarily good (music for example can heal people's pain and allow them to be free momentarily but it can also attract demons), the main problem is still white supremacy.

Because regardless of what sins happened that night, the KKK was about to pull up and kill them all in the morning regardless.

They could have been reading the Bible in that building for all that matters, the KKK would still have pulled up.

So Sammie's choice to still pursue music at the end makes sense. He knows there's no salvation in what his old man preaches. And despite what happened that night, as he says (I'm paraphrasing here), before everything came crashing down, that was the best moment of his life. He felt truly free.

The duality freedom/sinning was very well done