Ryan Coogler & Michael B. Jordan vampire film "Sinners"

[StatUS]

Fire ass movie. Just go see it. Don't let pre conceived notions on genre prevent you from support good cinema.

Also a must watch in Imax.

 

[papa pimp]

I thought it was misplaced in the film, as well. It came out of nowhere. It would've worked better had each time Preacher Boy played, there was something fantastical shown, or if there were elements of all genres of music in his previous sequences.

did you not see the literal intro of the movie?

 

[Ziggiy]

Movie is a legit 10/10.

F L A W L E S S in writing, direction, acting and execution. I didn’t even see the “twist” coming and i’m usually good for that kind of stuff.

I sincerely hope Ryan Coogler has plans to not only make a sequel, but expand upon the world and mythos he created with Comic books, audio podcasts, video games, etc. this could legitimately be a FRANCHISE the likes of which we’ve never seen in black entertainment.

I know he’s got the X-Files reboot and Black Panther 3 on the horizon but if I were him after Black Panther 3 i’d completely dedicate time and energy into setting off a bonafide Sinners universe.

 

[EA]

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I really think Rennick (main vampire) thought he was saving the world, because like he said, becoming a vampire allowed them to get the memories and experiences of the person who turned, and by turning the entire world, it would bring about world peace
He is kinda like a white savior though but it's not applied to strictly black people, it's to the whole of humanity

Like at the end when Sammie is saying the Lord's Prayer and he says, that was forced on my people too (what the English did to the Irish)

Becoming a vampire will "save" the whole human race

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You’re right about his ultimate goal not being to target just black people but I think Annie mentioning that a human’s soul is trapped once they become a vampire and Stack saying the night before he turned into a vampire was the last time he was free was definitely commentary on how people like Rennick present can themselves as a savior to black people (especially under the guise of togetherness) whilst joining in on subjugating them.

 

[Ziggiy]

Also Delroy Lindo better get some noms off this, they already shafted him a couple years ago with Da 5 Bloods

As excellent as it is, the Academy rarely awards genre films any above the line nominations so acting and directing nods for Sinners is off the table. At most Coogler could campaign for a Best Original Screenplay nomination as precedent has been set by Jordan Peele being nominated and winning in that category for Get Out. I can also see nominations for Ruth E Carter’s costume design and Ludwig Goransson’s incredible score.

Gotta shift this to a Sunday showing but like that I`m hearing this is fire lol, Was praying this wasn't no Black Panther 2 stuff where the brehs get sidelined.

Going back to see it again Sunday.

I’ll tell you straight up. Brehs do NOT get shafted in this movie.

 

[Lambent55]

"On the rocky road to Dublin"


"They say the truth hurts, so I lied to you, I lied to you."

 

[Maximus Rex]

Spoiler

You’re right about his ultimate goal not being to target just black people but I think Annie mentioning that a human’s soul is trapped once they become a vampire and Stack saying the night before he turned into a vampire was the last time he was free was definitely commentary on how people like Rennick present can themselves as a savior to black people (especially under the guise of togetherness) whilst joining in on subjugating them.

Spoiler

When Stack said that, in my opinion he was saying no one ever is truly free, because he also said he can never see the sun again, "freedom" comes at a cost in this world

 

[Th3Birdman]

Here's my review

 

[ajnapoleon]

Just got back from seeing this with the Mrs and I thought the movie was a solid 7/10 for me.

It’s hard to explain without going strongly into spoiler territory but this is definitely Coogler’s most ambitious film regarding the themes that are addressed here. The execution in some parts and the pacing of the film didn’t fully hit the mark for me but I can tell that my opinion of the film is going to get stronger after watching this again because of all of the messages he put in this film.

Just some quick thoughts that could be a reach but

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I really love how Coogler layered the rule about vampires needing to be invited in with the fact that they were white people trying to enter a black establishment under the guise of wanting to join in on the party. I took that as a finger wag to the people that always wanna invite others to the cookout. Those that present themselves as the friendliest can have the worst intentions.

It also felt like the main vampire was a take on the white savior complex too. In his mind, he was being righteous but his actions were bringing harm exclusively to black people

Looking forward to seeing this again. I do wish some things in the film were executed differently but I loved all the different messaging this film presented that I can look past my gripes.

“Your people have been left for dead your can’t build they won’t let you build ….. be with us”

 

[Big Boss]

@Rapmastermind

I know you seen this

 

[Discipline]

Saw the movie this afternoon. 7/10 or 8/10 for me.

Michael B. Jordan's best work is with Coogler, and it shows again in this movie.

I know people were worried about it being a musical, and you got nothing to worry about. Like I said before, it was common in black movies thought history to have scenes like this, and it's like this in the movie.


It'd be like calling House Party a musical because they have a dance off.

Longer comments and thoughts in spoilers.

Spoiler

I think the basis of the movie is how black people can come together with some good music, and forget what they're going through. This is historically true form negro spirituals, to blues like this movies shows, to Public Enemy, to conscious rappers of late 90s early 2000s, etc.

The thing that doesn't make this movie higher for me is that the vampire were pretty wack. They might be close to the vampire in From Dusk Till Dawn which I might watch later tonight. When I saw them on screen I was thinking Lost Boys. I would have preferred if they were closer to something like 30 Days of Night. I didn't like the effect that they used for their eyes.

Omar Benson Miller as Cornbread trying to get back into the club was the highlight of the vampire scenes for me. The main vampire was forgettable to me. I know everybody can't be like Bill Paxton from Near Dark, but if the white vampire leader had charisma like Severen, or a coldness like Lance Henriksen's Jesse the movie would have been rated higher for me.

Them playing their folk or "white people" music outside had me dying. I was like, "They're not trying to hear that bullshyt in there"

The best scene in the movie is the one people were afraid that it was a musical. I enjoyed seeing people from different times coming together and partying. It really showed that no matter the time period we are really all the same. This starts with a character that I think is supposed to be Bootsy Collins. I just wished the soundtrack during this part was better. I think they were trying to add different musical elements from the eras to an original song. Using licensed music and showing a progression of black music thought history would have really driven the point they were getting across. For instance they could've had spirituals, then blues music, then incorporated some James Brown, then g funk, then other hip hop, then continued until today's music. IMO this is the best way to show how past music was influenced by previous generations through either chord progression or drum patterns. In hiphop this is easily seen through sampling soul(RZA) or funk(Dr. Dre) and how today's rappers sample thier songs directly.

I started paying more attention to the music after this sequence and noticed when the vampires were on screen the background music was closer to heavy metal, like something Metallica or Slayer would play.


There are alot of great lines in this movie. The one that sticks out to me right now is the difference between Chicago and Jim Crow Mississippi are the buildings are taller

I enjoyed the first mid credit scene a lot. I think I got an idea on where they're going to go in the future if they continue this franchise. I know Michael B Jordan is an anime watching breh, and as a breh that started watching more anime I'd like them to go the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure route. They can have some cast members carry over between movies, and highlight a time period with black music while adding a supernatural element to it. I like this idea more than going the direct sequel route where we pick up after this movie and the supernatural element being vampires again. Stack being a vampire makes it easier to explain how he can still be alive in these different cornerstones of black music.

What I mean is they could do:
- A body horror movie set in the 90s where a "rap mogul" samples Sammie/Preacher Boy's music. He hosts parties where people do shunting like activities. No but c'mon its
-A movie set in the 70s highlighting funk that features an alien invasion
-A Supernatural/ghost movie set around current times where rappers are haunted by dead opps.
-A cyberpunk movie set in the future where there's a zombie outbreak. Also social commentary about taking drugs like fent, but make it a fictional future drug.

Random thoughts.
-Idk why but Hailee Steinfeld, in her 90s outfit reminded me of Debi Mazar.
-The setting up a club and inviting people to come through reminded me of Bones.

TLDR: The movie works better as a celebration of black music than black horror.

First thing I thought of.

 

[Sbp]

People think that picking cotton was only a slavery thing. This is the problem with our school systems today. People were still picking cotton in the 60s here in my area. It was a source of income.

We had prisoners still picking cotton as late as the 90s

 

[Standing on business]

Ryan coogler is a hack.

He is nothing more than M. Night Shyamalan with a FBA hairline and a green light.

I think you’re looking for the Jordan Peele thread breh

 

[DerrtySouthpaw]

hard to watch slavery/construction era movies if it’s not Django unchained. Which is a 9.5/10 movie for me. Glad I can say this movie gave me Django vibes for some reason.

Spoiler

candyland burning down was a better scene but twin mowing down them klan members instantly made me think of Django killing Steven and them

I liked the world building

Spoiler

the twins fukking with Chicago mob, being ww1 vets, the native Americans and voodoo bm being aware of vampires and other spirits

but wish they focused on some themes more

Spoiler

the guitars power was kinda confusing on what exactly it did. Different cultures from different eras dancing scene. Was it just the vamps seeing them?

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Spoiler

I thought they ruined the movie the first scene cause you can kinda guess what happens but they threw a lil subversion of expectations

Movie is a 8/10 atleast for me. Want to go back and see if there’s stuff I missed. I was worried it was gonna be a musical but I actually didn’t mind it and it was necessary for most scenes. Plus some of them songs was kinda hard ngl

Haylie and ole girl who got that thang was looking

 

[EA]

Spoiler

When Stack said that, in my opinion he was saying no one ever is truly free, because he also said he can never see the sun again, "freedom" comes at a cost in this world

Spoiler

Freedom being relative is definitely one of the main themes of the film. It also warns against believing someone when they offer you freedom of any sort. Like Delta Slim only being at the juke joint because he was offered free beer.

“Your people have been left for dead your can’t build they won’t let you build ….. be with us”

Such a bleak message