Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

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Iran Nuclear Deal Threatened by Russian Demands Over Ukraine Sanctions
Western and Iranian officials have said they were very close to reaching a deal to restore the nuclear pact
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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov demanded guarantees that could introduce major loopholes in the tight sanctions.
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By Laurence Norman
Updated March 6, 2022 12:00 pm ET

Fresh demands from Russia threatened to derail talks to restore the 2015 Iran nuclear deal, as Moscow said it wanted written guarantees that Ukraine-related sanctions won’t prevent it from trading broadly with Tehran under a revived pact.

The demands, made by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Saturday and dismissed by U.S. officials on Sunday, came as Western and Iranian officials said they were near to reaching a deal to restore the nuclear pact, which lifted most international sanctions on Iran in exchange for tight but temporary restrictions on Tehran’s nuclear programs.

The U.S. left the agreement in May 2018, and Iran has since mid-2019 massively expanded its nuclear work. The Vienna talks focus on the exact steps that Tehran and Washington would need to take to return into compliance with the deal.

Western officials said they wanted a deal on the nuclear file in place this week. Chief negotiators from European powers left Vienna to return to their capitals Friday as they waited for Iran and the U.S. to try to solve the final differences between them. These included precisely which sanctions Washington would lift and the exact sequence of steps the U.S. and Iran would take to return into compliance with the 2015 deal.

“We’ve made real progress in recent weeks…and I think we’re close, but there are a couple of very challenging remaining issues and nothing’s done until everything’s done,” U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on CBS ’ Face the Nation program on Sunday.

Advances in Iran’s nuclear work mean Western officials have warned that it could very soon be impossible to restore the 2015 nuclear deal because it would no longer be possible to re-
create the central benefit for the U.S. and Europe of that agreement—keeping Iran months away from being able to amass enough nuclear fuel for one nuclear weapon.

A confidential report from the United Nations atomic agency circulated Thursday showed that Iran had now produced 33.2 kilograms of highly enriched uranium, around three-quarters of what it would need to have enough weapon-grade 90% fuel for a nuclear weapon. Experts say it would take Iran just a few weeks to amass enough weapons grade nuclear fuel.

It was always understood by Western officials that Russia’s specific role within the 2015 nuclear deal would need to be protected from sanctions. That includes receiving enriched uranium from Iran and exchanging it for yellowcake, Russia’s work to turn Iran’s Fordow nuclear facility into a research center and other nuclear-specific deliveries to Tehran’s facilities.

However, Mr. Lavrov appeared to demand far more sweeping guarantees that could introduce major loopholes in the tight financial, economic and energy sanctions the West has imposed in recent days because of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

“We have asked for a written guarantee…that the current process triggered by the United States does not in any way damage our right to free and full trade, economic and investment cooperation and military-technical cooperation with the Islamic State,” Mr. Lavrov said.

Soon after Mr. Lavrov’s comments, Russia’s chief negotiator at the nuclear talks, Mikhail Ulyanov, tweeted that he had raised questions that needed tackling with a senior European official “to ensure smooth civil nuclear cooperation with Iran.” That suggested Russia’s real demands at the talks were narrower than Mr. Lavrov had suggested.

Mr. Blinken told CBS that the western sanctions on Russia “have nothing to do with…the Iranian nuclear deal.”

“These things are totally different and are just are not in any way linked together, so I think that’s- that’s irrelevant,” he said Sunday.

The Iranian delegation in Vienna said this weekend they were awaiting clarification from Moscow.

A Western diplomat said that if the guarantees are purely about the work Russia would do in Iran under a restored nuclear deal, “that can be managed.”

“But if Lavrov is using this as a play to try to carve a huge hole out of the overall Ukraine sanctions, that’s a different story,” the person said.

An Iranian official said his delegation was awaiting clarification from Moscow.

Either way, the Russian demands now look set to kick talks into next week, two Western diplomats said.

“In my view, a deal is still more likely than not. Critically, both Washington and Tehran want to get this done,” said Henry Rome, a director covering global macro politics and Iran at Eurasia Group. “Russia throwing sand in the gears may actually bring these two adversaries together to reach creative solutions to get the deal signed.”

Since talks began last April, Iran has refused to negotiate directly with the U.S. Instead, the other parties to the agreement—Britain, France, Germany, Russia and China and the European Union—have served as intermediaries.

Russia had played a generally constructive role in the talks, Western diplomats have said, at times pulling Iran back from unreasonable demands and pressing Tehran—publicly at times—not to drag the talks out too long.

However, senior Western officials said that over the last few days, with the Ukraine conflict in the background, Russian officials at the talks had been more hesitant, telling their counterparts they needed to check new ideas with Moscow.

While the talks in Vienna appeared to stall again, one potential hurdle to reviving the nuclear deal might have been removed Saturday following a trip to Tehran by Rafael Grossi, the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Mr. Grossi went to Tehran to seek an agreement about the handling of a probe the agency has been doing for three years now into undeclared nuclear material found in Iran. Tehran has been stalling on the investigation and had pushed in Vienna for the files to be closed as part of restoring the nuclear deal, something the agency and Western officials refused.

A joint statement said that the IAEA would aim to present a conclusion on the probe to its Board in June if Iran cooperated. However Mr. Grossi said Saturday evening when he returned to Vienna that a report could leave questions open which the agency would need to keep pursuing.

“You may come to the conclusion that what you have is not enough and more is needed,” he told reporters.
 

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I've had a pretty horrible day, and I hate that it takes something this awful for me to just stop for a second and and be grateful that I don't have to worry about getting blown to pieces while going about my daily life.
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So many of us are so lucky.
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That's an incredible video. It looks legitimate, difficult to fully factcheck (it's not like I speak Russian) but here's the original source:





The question of course being - how much is a POW's word worth? Obviously they would only let the one's speak who would say the right things, and I can imagine it would be frightening to change your mind and say the wrong things. On the other hand, everything about their words and demeanor look sincere.

And also, putting POWs in front of the media might be a violation of the Geneva conventions.

Treaties, States parties, and Commentaries - Geneva Convention (III) on Prisoners of War, 1949 - 13 - Humane treatment of prisoners
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Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. In particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest.
Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity.
Measures of reprisal against prisoners of war are prohibited.
 

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In Hunt For Russian Oligarch’s Wealth, French Customs Officers on the Cote d’Azur Got a Tip
In Hunt For Russian Oligarch’s Wealth, French Customs Officers on the Cote d’Azur Got a Tip
After showing up at the 280-foot yacht Amore Vero, they found the captain was making preparations to depart, triggering the ship’s impoundment
By Nick Kostov and Giovanni Legorano
Updated March 5, 2022 2:14 pm ET
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Customs officers along France’s sun-splashed Côte d’Azur had a tip.

The superyacht Amore Vero was making preparations to set sail from the port of La Ciotat, without completing repairs it was scheduled to undergo through April, they heard. The 280-foot vessel, “True Love” in Italian, also likely belonged to Igor Sechin. Mr. Sechin, the chief executive officer of Russian oil giant Rosneft, is one of a handful of Russian billionaires recently targeted by European Union sanctions.

When officers descended on the vessel earlier this week, the yacht’s captain told them he had orders to set sail at once for Turkey. That triggered nearly 24 hours of further questioning and document checks, which officials said showed the ship was owned by a company whose majority shareholder was Mr. Sechin. French authorities set up around-the-clock surveillance of the vessel, and they fastened it to the quay with steel slings, preventing it from departing.

“Any boat trying to leave urgently obviously gets our full attention,” said Eric Salles, an officer at France’s customs authority. He leads the unit that checked up on and then immobilized the vessel.

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Mr. Salles’s operation was among the first in a globe-spanning search for the assets of a handful of Russian billionaires, officials and confidantes of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Late Friday, Italian officials embarked on their own dragnet of assets—seizing two yachts of sanctioned Russian individuals and four villas, including two on exclusive Lake Como, near actor George Clooney’s residence.

These individuals have been put on sanctions lists by the U.S., the EU, the U.K. and others, subjecting their yachts, trophy real estate and other baubles to freezes and other restrictions. Western governments say these billionaires are cronies of Mr. Putin, that their wealth in many cases was acquired illicitly and that by freezing it, governments can exert pressure on the Kremlin or at least punish its wealthy supporters.

“Sanctions will hurt Putin,“ Italy’s Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio said late Friday, as police started to fan out to identify some of the sanctioned individuals’ Italy-based assets. “This is the only way to make him see reason.”

Several of the billionaires touched by the most recent sanctions have said they are against the war in Ukraine. Some have defended the way they have earned their money; others have said they are business people not politicians, and can’t influence Moscow. Some have started or promised legal action to challenge their sanctioning. Representatives for Rosneft and Mr. Sechin haven’t been reachable this week.

Italian authorities have said they impounded assets valued at around 140 million euros, or about $153 million, overnight. The most valuable was the yacht Lady M, estimated to be worth some 65 million euros. Authorities said it belongs to Alexey Alexandrovits Mordaschov, the sanctioned chairman and main shareholder of Russian steel conglomerate Severstal. The yacht was seized in the port of Imperia, in northwestern Italy.

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Italian officials have impounded the yacht Lady M, owned by Alexey Alexandrovits Mordaschov, the sanctioned chairman of Russian conglomerate Severstal, in the Italian port of Imperia.
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In the nearby port of Sanremo, Italian authorities seized another yacht, Lena, valued at about 50 million euros. Italian authorities said it belongs to Gennady Nikolayevich Timchenko, the sanctioned owner of investment firm Volga Group. Italian police also said they seized two villas on Lake Como, worth some eight million euros, from Vladimir Soloviev, a presenter on Russian state television. Mr. Soloviev, who was sanctioned by the EU, has said previously it was unfair for his assets to be tied up by the sanctions.

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Italian authorities onboard the Lena in the port of Sanremo.
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“I bought it, paid crazy amounts of taxes…and suddenly somebody makes a decision that this journalist is now on the list of sanctions,” Mr. Soloviev said on a TV program earlier this week, after finding out he was placed on the sanctions list.

Another target in the Italian sweep: a luxury villa on Italy’s Emerald Coast in Northern Sardinia, worth an estimated 17 million euros, that officials said belongs to Alisher Usmanov, a sanctioned Russian mining magnate. Then there’s the 17th century Villa Lazzareschi in the Tuscan countryside near Lucca. Authorities said that it is owned by sanctioned billionaire Oleg Savchenko. The five men whose Italian assets were affected in the raids couldn’t be reached immediately for comment.

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French and Italian authorities have seized a number of yachts from sanctioned Russian oligarchs. Here’s where they are and who authorities say own them.
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Seized by French authorities

Location: La Ciotat, France

Owner: Igor Sechin

Seized by Italian authorities

Location: Sanremo, Italy

Owner: Gennady Nikolayevich Timchenko

Seized by Italian authorities

Location: Imperia, Italy

Owner: Alexey Alexandrovits Mordaschov

Source: Italian and French goverments

Rules vary across jurisdictions, but in the case of France and Italy, the seizures don’t constitute any legal change of ownership. Typically assets are frozen until individuals are taken off sanctions lists or successfully challenge the process. Authorities, though, can take measures to assure the assets aren’t used, sold or otherwise benefit the sanctioned individual.

In the case of the Amore Vero, Mr. Salles’s officers acted only after learning the ship was making preparations to leave French waters. French officials have shared information on assets subject to new EU sanctions with other European governments.

French authorities have visited around 12 vessels so far, Mr. Salles said, about two a day. Usually the checks include routine questioning and inspection of papers to ascertain ownership. That can be tricky, considering many yachts are owned or operated by layers of companies, often making the ultimate beneficial owner unclear.

Mr. Salles said his officers rely on intelligence shared among other European countries. “They consult their data, and they tell us, ‘Behind this company that owns this boat lies this person,’” he said.

Sometimes inspectors call in to check on ownership when they are already on the vessel; other times they know who owns the ship ahead of time. When officers arrived at the Amore Vero, they did customary document checks and quizzed the captain, asking about his intentions.

“He told us that his orders were to leave port and sail to Turkey as quickly as possible,” Mr. Salles said his officers were told. Such a move would contravene sanctions, triggering the yacht’s impoundment. Officers further interrogated the captain and crew, took witness statements and took possession of the yacht’s registry certificate.

The vessel’s captain wasn’t arrested, and he and other crew remain aboard, continuing to take care of the yacht, Mr. Salles said.



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Since Russia invaded Ukraine at the end of February, the U.S. and allied countries have imposed heavy sanctions on Russia. WSJ’s Shelby Holliday dives into how these sanctions are affecting everyone from President Vladimir Putin to everyday Russian citizens. Photo: Pavel Golovkin/Associated Press
Write to Nick Kostov at Nick.Kostov@wsj.com and Giovanni Legorano at giovanni.legorano@wsj.com
 

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U.S. Officials Meet With Regime in Venezuela, to Discuss Oil Exports to Replace Russia’s

U.S. Officials Meet With Regime in Venezuela, to Discuss Oil Exports to Replace Russia’s
In rare meeting, the two sides discuss lifting of U.S. sanctions that have barred Venezuelan oil exports to American refineries
By Patricia Garip and Juan Forero
Updated March 6, 2022 5:10 pm ET

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A Petróleos de Venezuela plant in Maracaibo, Venezuela.
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The Biden administration is seeking to ease oil sanctions on Venezuela as part of a broader U.S. strategy to temper oil prices that have skyrocketed because of Russia’s war in Ukraine, according to people familiar with the matter.

U.S. officials began rare face-to-face meetings with Venezuelan officials in Caracas over the weekend, with a view to allowing Venezuelan crude oil back on to the open international market, these people said.

The administration also wants to isolate Russia from its most important ally in South America, Venezuela, an essential supplier of crude to the U.S. until economic mismanagement and then sanctions caused the nation’s oil sector to crater.

The proposals being discussed in the Venezuelan capital would ease sanctions for a limited period on U.S. national security grounds. Since the Trump administration began turning the economic screws on Venezuela in 2017 and then leveled sanctions on the oil sector in 2019, Caracas has come to rely on China, Russia and Iran to keep its oil sector afloat. As of 2020, Petróleos de Venezuela SA, the country’s state oil company, was producing about 300,000 barrels a day.



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By easing the sanctions now, the U.S. would redirect Venezuelan oil exports out of an opaque China-bound export network and back to Gulf Coast refiners that process the heavy crude Venezuela produces, people familiar with the administration’s thinking on the matter said.

It also would peel Caracas out of the political orbit of Russia, which has helped Venezuela sidestep U.S. sanctions by putting its financial system to work processing payments for PDVSA, as the Venezuelan state oil company is known.
And sanctions relief would replace Iran’s supply of condensate—a very light oil that PDVSA uses to dilute its extra-heavy oil—with Western-supplied diluents like naphtha, according to people familiar with the Biden administration’s strategy.

With the help of its allies, Venezuela’s authoritarian regime—which the U.S. accuses of widespread rights abuses—was able to increase production to about 760,000 barrels a day in 2021. That is only a quarter of what it pumped in the 1990s. But Reinaldo Quintero, president of the association representing Venezuelan oil companies, estimated that the country could get production up to 1.2 million barrels a day in under eight months, particularly if Chevron, the only major American oil producer in Venezuela, can jack up pumping.

Mr. Quintero, who with other Venezuelan oil company representatives has met with U.S. officials in Washington in the past to discuss sanctions relief, said they have worked to convince “the American government that the vacuum they leave behind in Venezuela is occupied by another economic actor.”

The U.S. in 2020 imported about 7.86 million barrels of oil from many countries, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Russia exported about 540,000 barrels a day to the U.S. in 2021, a little under what Venezuela exported to American refineries in 2018 before sanctions shut off the spigot.

Mr. Quintero said with the U.S. weighing cutting off Russian exports, Venezuela could in time replace Moscow. “How are they going to resolve the issue of the crude they need if they don’t consider Venezuela, which can replace a good slice,” Mr. Quintero said.

But even without sanctions, Venezuela faces serious challenges to increasing oil production, said Francisco Monaldi, a Venezuelan who is director of the Latin America Energy Program at Rice University’s Baker Institute.

There have been no new wells drilled in Venezuela for months, he said, and to reach significant production levels Venezuela would need investments of $12 billion a year for five years. The country that was essential in providing crude to the Allied effort in World War II now pays down debt with oil to China. And Mr. Monaldi said its production is a “drop in the bucket in the world oil market.”

“This won’t help ease the pain at the pump for American consumers,” Mr. Monaldi said of the possible lifting of oil sanctions.

The visit to Venezuela by senior American officials, first reported by the New York Times, isn’t just about oil, people familiar with their strategy said. The delegation included Jim Story, the Bogotá, Colombia-based ambassador to Venezuela; Juan Gonzalez, the White House special assistant for Western Hemisphere affairs; and Roger Carstens, the U.S. special presidential envoy for hostage affairs.

They also came to discuss the fate of six employees of PDVSA’s Houston-based refining subsidiary, Citgo, who were arrested in 2017 and convicted of crimes the U.S. says are trumped up. Five are naturalized American citizens and a sixth is a permanent U.S. resident.

There also are three former U.S. servicemen jailed in Venezuela. Luke Denman and Airan Berry were arrested after a botched incursion by dissident Venezuelan soldiers attempting to seize power in May 2020. And in September, 2020, Matthew Heath was detained on a country road near Venezuela’s coast and accused of terrorism and spying.

Even before the war in Ukraine, intermediaries for the regime and the Biden administration had been discussing the detained Americans, sanctions and the proposed resumption of talks between the Venezuelan government and opposition to pave the way for free and fair presidential elections in 2024, people who know about the discussions said. For the Biden administration, the war in Ukraine—and the resulting surge in oil prices—drove home the importance of advancing the talks, those people say.

Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro “fulfilled his often expressed desire to talk directly with the United States,” said Guillermo Bolinaga, a Venezuelan who is a partner at U.S.-based consulting firm Opportunitas Advisors. “And not just talking to the U.S., but the U.S. went to Caracas to talk to him.”

The weekend’s development in Venezuela is welcomed by Wall Street firms and other investors who have been talking to emissaries from Venezuela about a possible restructuring of $60 billion in debt. The regime is offering infrastructure concessions, oil-and-gas reserves and asset privatizations, while pressing the investors to coax the U.S. to consider lifting sanctions.

The talks between the administration and the regime, though, carry political liabilities for Democrats, particularly in Florida, where a growing Venezuelan exile community in Miami is strongly opposed to softening the hard line on Mr. Maduro.

In a message Sunday via his Twitter account, Sen. Marco Rubio (R., Fla.) said President Biden was using Russia “as an excuse to do the deal they always wanted to do anyway with the #MaduroRegime.”

“Rather than produce more American oil he wants to replace the oil we buy from one murderous dictator with oil from another murderous dictator,” Mr. Rubio wrote.

If there is sanctions relief, Chevron, PDVSA’s main Western joint venture partner, would be a big winner. The company would be able to restore up to 150,000 barrels a day in six weeks, people familiar with the firm’s operations say. Repsol of Spain and ONGC of India could add more, those people said.

U.S. oil services companies Schlumberger, Halliburton, Baker Hughes andWeatherford International would play a role in reactivating Venezuelan oil wells. These companies, like Chevron, were allowed by a sanctions waiver to stay in Venezuela but under tight restrictions.

Lifting sanctions would also put an estimated 23 million barrels of Venezuelan oil that is in storage tanks and oil tankers onto the market. This would add 750,000 barrels a day to global supply in the first month of sanctions relief, on top of any incremental production.

Corrections & Amplifications
Juan Gonzalez visited Caracas as White House special assistant for Western Hemisphere affairs. An earlier version of this article incorrectly described his role as deputy assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs. Separately, intermediaries for the Maduro regime and the Biden administration had been discussing issues such as sanctions before the war in Ukraine. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said the discussions had been between the Maduro regime and the Bush administration. (Corrected on March 6)

Write to Juan Forero at Juan.Forero@wsj.com
 

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That would be a stretch because merely having them speak to media isn't prohibited. In this case I think they would be completely in the clear unless something happened behind the scenes. Everything about his speech suggested that he was self-confident and assured in what he was saying. You would have to show that Ukraine had coerced or humiliated the prisoners or treated them inhumanely. If they simply asked, "Would you like to speak to the media and tell your people what is happening" and they agreed, I can't imagine any charges being brought.


Now on the other hand, the videos that have been shown of POWs (on both sides) being hit, mocked, insulted, or forced by their captors to repeat humiliating things are definitely clear violations. I don't think they'll ever proceed to charges against either Ukraine or Russia though because 10,000 worse war crimes happen in every war and it seems only the most extreme ever get followed through on.
 

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Is it not an act of war because it happens all the time?

Yes. :skip:

If something is not an act of war, and no one ever treats it as an act of war, then it's not an act of war.

If merely supplying weapons to Ukraine is an act of war then you could say that we're already at war with Russia in multiple countries. I mean fukk it, we're at war with ourselves because there's been plenty of times that we've supplied BOTH sides of a conflict.
 
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i find all this nazi talk from putin and his fan boys at home and in the west so hilarious. they're all a bunch of nazis themselves, the lady doth protest too much. oh we're invading the country with a jewish president because they have nazis. ok i'm sure they do. show me any country with a significant number of white people and i'll show you some nazis.

I'm sure it has already been said - I'm a little bit behind on the thread - but it's classic whataboutery, and, to be frank, gives no justification for the full-scale invasion of a neighbouring country.
 

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I'm sure it has already been said - I'm a little bit behind on the thread - but it's classic whataboutery, and, to be frank, gives no justification for the full-scale invasion of a neighbouring country.
Yep. I'm seeing a lot of whataboutery from pro-Russian folks on Twitter.

I saw one saying that Brittney Griner's charges are bad, but what about drug charges here in the U.S. :dwillhuh:
 
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