Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

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If Ukraine has any air resources I'm not understanding why they aren't bombing the shiiit out of that convoy - a convoy of that size sounds like a relative sitting duck?

And if the Russians are really letting those thermobaric shiits go off.. damn.
 

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Within Days, Russia’s War on Ukraine Squeezes the Global Economy
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A Moscow supermarket on Monday. In recent years, President Vladimir V. Putin has taken steps to insulate Russia’s economy from Western pressure.Credit...Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times

By Patricia Cohen

Patricia Cohen, base



The price of energy has already shot higher, and the conflict imperils supply chains, factors that could exacerbate inflation and suppress growth.
In the span of just a few days, the global economic outlook has darkened while troops battled in Ukraine and unexpectedly potent financial sanctions rocked Russia’s economyand threatened to further fuel worldwide inflation.

The price of oil, natural gas and other staples spiked on Monday. At the same time, the groaning weight on supply chains, still laboring from the pandemic, rose as the United States, Europe and their allies tightened the screws on Russia’s financial transactions and froze hundreds of billions of dollars of the central bank’s assets that are held abroad.

Russia has long been a relatively minor player in the global economy, accounting for just 1.7 percent of the world’s total output despite its enormous energy exports. President Vladimir V. Putin has moved to further insulate it in recent years, building up a storehouse of foreign exchange reserves, reducing national debt and even banning cheese and other food imports from Europe.

But while Mr. Putin has ignored a slate of international norms, he cannot ignore a modern and mammoth financial system that is largely controlled by governments and bankers outside his country. He has mobilized tens of thousands of his troops, and, in response, allied governments have mobilized their vast financial power


Now, “it’s a gamble between a financial clock and a military clock, to vaporize the resources to conduct a war,” said Julia Friedlander, director of the economic statecraft initiative at the Atlantic Council.

Together, the invasion and the sanctions inject a huge dose of uncertainty and volatility into economic decision-making, heightening the risk to the global outlook.



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A corn warehouse near Stavropol, Russia. Russia and Ukraine are large exporters of corn.Credit...Eduard Korniyenko/Reuters
The sanctions were designed to avoid disrupting essential energy exports, which Europe, in particular, relies on to heat homes, power factories and fill gas tanks. That helped dampen, but did not erase, a surge in energy prices caused by war and anxieties about disruptions in the flow of oil and gas
Worries about shortages also pushed up the price of some grains and metals, which would inflict higher costs on consumers and businesses. Russia and Ukraine are also large exporters of wheat and corn, as well as essential metals, like palladium, aluminum and nickel, that are used in everything from mobile phones to automobiles.


Already eye-popping transport costs are also expected to soar.

“We are going to see rates skyrocket for ocean and air,” said Glenn Koepke, general manager of network collaboration at FourKites, a supply chain consultancy in Chicago. He warned that ocean rates could double or triple to $30,000 a container from $10,000 a container, and that airfreight costs were expected to jump even higher.

Russia closed its airspace to 36 countries, which means shipping planes will have to divert to roundabout routes, leading them to spend more on fuel and possibly encouraging them to reduce the size of their loads.
 
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Loading rolls of steel onto a ship at the port of Mykolaiv in Ukraine. One expert predicted that ocean transport costs could triple.Credit...Brendan Hoffman for The New York Times
“We’re also going to see more product shortages,” Mr. Koepke said. While it’s a slower season now, he said, “companies are ramping up for summer volume, and that’s going to have a major impact on our supply chain


In a flurry of updates on Monday, several Wall Street analysts and economists acknowledged that they had underestimated the extent of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the international response. With events rapidly piling up, assessments of the potential economic fallout ranged from the mild to the severe.

Inflation was already a concern, running in the United States at the highest it has been since the 1980s. Now questions about how much more inflation might rise — and how the Federal Reserve and other central banks respond — hovered over every scenario.

“The Fed is in a box, inflation is running at 7.5 percent, but they know if they raise interest rates, that will tank markets,” said Desmond Lachman, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. “The policy choices aren’t good, so I don’t see how this has a happy outcome.”


Others were more cautious about the spillover effects given the isolation of Russia’s economy.

Adam Posen, president of the Peterson Institute for International Economics, said there were vexing questions, particularly in Europe, about what the conflict would mean for inflation — and whether it posed the prospect of stagflation, in which economic growth slows and prices rise quickly.

But overall, he said, “the damage is likely to be small.”

That doesn’t mean there won’t be intense pain in spots. Mr. Posen noted that a handful of banks in Europe could suffer from their exposures to the Russian financial system, and that Eastern European companies might lose access to money in the country.

Thousands of people fleeing Ukraine are also streaming into neighboring countries like Poland, Moldova and Romania, which could add to their costs.

Turkey’s economy, which is already struggling, is likely to take a hit. Oxford Economics lowered its forecast for Turkey’s annual growth by 0.4 percentage points to 2.1 percent because of rises in energy prices, disruptions to financial markets and declines in tourism.

In 2021, 19 percent of its visitors came from Russia, and 8.3 percent came from Ukraine. Inflation, already at a two-decade high of nearly 50 percent, is now estimated to reach 60 percent, Oxford said.

In the United States, the chair of the Biden administration’s Council of Economic Advisers, Cecilia Rouse, said the biggest impact on the American economy from the war was rising gas prices. “This has definitely clouded the outlook,” she said at a forum in Washington.


Gasoline prices are roughly a dollar higher than a year ago, with a national average of $3.61 a gallon, according to AAA.


Rising energy prices are tough on consumers, although good for producers — and the U.S. economy has both.

Other oil-producing nations will also see a rise in revenues. And for Iran, which has been shut out of the global economy for years, the demand for oil from other sources could help smooth negotiations to lift sanctions.

Over the longer term, the current conflict is likely to have effects on several countries’ future budget decisions. Germany’s chancellor, Olaf Scholz, announced that he would increase military spending to 2 percent of its economic output.

“Defense spending has fallen consistently in the post-WWII world,” Jim Reid, managing director of Deutsche Bank, wrote in a note on Monday. Now, with this shift in “the geopolitical tectonic plates,” he said, priorities are changing, and “those levels are likely to rise.”


In Russia, the central bank and government took a series of actions, including doubling a key interest rates to 20 percent to increase the ruble’s appeal, barring people from transferring money to overseas accounts, and closing the stock market to contain the damage and tamp down panic.

“What’s happening right now is we’re looking at the dismemberment of one of the largest economies on the planet,” said Carl Weinberg, chief economist at High Frequency Economics. “And from what I know about tactics, this is a dangerous tactic.”

Peter S. Goodman and Jeanna Smialek contributed reporting.
 
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This. I let it go cause these brehs was in here getting upset about it but these were some mickey mouse looney toon arguments they were giving me.

How does US and Cuba equate to China and Taiwan?

The US has no contested territory. No one would even dare.

And furthermore even if they want to bring up Cuba and the Soviet Union, the US had militarily satellites set up all over there in the east. Thats what started the Cuban missile crisis. The USSR wanted to put missiles in Cuba because the US had missiles in Turkey.

That was two superpowers who were keeping loaded guns focused on each other in each other's backyard.

So the US agreed to remove their missiles from Turkey and the USSR agreed to remove their missiles from Cuba.

Two superpowers made each other fall back.

Show me the equivalent of someone doing that to the US in this day and age.

The US is half the globe away telling China what will and will not happen with what is technically their own territory. And they can't do a damn thing about it.

Show me the equivalent of a country doing that to the US. We would make them nikkas lean back so fast....

The US is the world's last superpower. We essentially dictate to the rest of the world. And when they don't do what we say, we can ruin them without firing one shot as we see with Russia. If China got froggy, we would do the same thing to them. And yes we use a lot of their labor. And we would still sanction them to hell and probably close up shop over there. It would hurt us, but it would hurt them a hell of a lot more.

Imagine if another country pulled up to Florida and said "Florida wants to secede so we recognize their right to do so and you better not make a move or we're taking you off the board."

Cause thats essentially the situation with Taiwan, a simplistic view of it, but that's pretty much what it is.

We can bully China like that cause they are afraid of us.

And for brehs who keep talking about China being a superpower, them nikkas would never try that with us. They wouldn't even pull up on Hawaii talking stuff, let alone the continental US. They have no influence in the western hemisphere while we got all types of influence right in their backyard.

I dunno why this is so hard for brehs to comprehend.

I may make a separate thread about this :jbhmm:
they are a nuclear superpower. and a geopolitical regional power.

the confusion in this conversation seems to be the implications of nukes, which are the greatest geopolitical tool that exists in many ways. In this specific and very important way they are a superpower and you can't just handwave it away
 

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Where can I get a neutral view of what's going on?


All of this Ukrainian propaganda is ridiculous.


They are making it seem like they have zero losses.
 

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Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, has given a powerful address to the European parliament via videolink.

Sitting in front of the country’s flag, he said today would be the last days for some of his citizens who were defending the country.

Ukraine, he said, was paying a very high price for European ideals: “Thousands of people killed, two revolutions, one war and five days of full-scale invasion”.

He said:

I am not reading from a script, because the phase of scripts for Ukraine has ended.

Now we are dealing with death, real life, he said.

Zelenskiy said Ukraine was giving lives in order to have be as “equal as you are”.

We are giving away our best people, the strongest ones, the most value based ones.

He said he was speaking between bombardments and that in the morning two missile strikes had hit Freedom Square in Kharkiv, a city close to Russia and with longstanding friendly ties.

We have a desire to see our children alive, I think it is a fair one. We are fighting for survival. We are fighting to be equal members of Europe.

We are exactly the same as you are. So do prove that you are with us. Do prove that you are indeed Europeans and then life will win over death and light will win over darkness. Glory be to Ukraine.
 

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If you want them to bytch about people using guns to defend their country from a fukking Russian invasion, then you pretty much have the strictest definition of anti-gun imaginable.

There is zero hypocrisy there. American media has never, ever been against using guns in war.
What are you all worked up over?
And, arming Ukrainians to the teeth might be assuring their death in the face of insurmountable odds based on romantic notions of heroism and a good story. There could be some acknowledgment of that.
 
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