Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

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When I saw Hungary was getting in on this, I was like :whoo:.

I really think Putin miscalculated the West pulling his card, and the West might be smelling blood in the water w/ his entire regime. This is a dangerous moment but also a unique opportunity. It's almost like Putin walked into a trap.
Can't even call it a trap. Biden has been on TV for months telegraphing every move he would do in response to a Putin invasion and like a bad toddler(or senile old man), Putin did it anyway.

That's one thing I'll give Joe credit for, he was extremely transparent about this entire situation from troop buildup to now.
 

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And then there’s this



I was reluctant on posting it at first cuz I can’t understand what he is saying and I haven’t seen much reported about it but this is blowing up in Putin’s face if all accounts are true


Hes saying they were lied to and were after Nazi's and drug dealers etc then he saw the weapons that Russia had lined up and that's when he realized what was really going on. He said he doesnt want to fight Ukrainian army or citizens. He said he's out of the fight.
 

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The way this shyt going, Alexei n nem might need to squad up and make a real push at overthrow. I really don’t see how Putin survives this embarrassment politically. Oligarchs losing money, Lavrov looks like a joke after decades of being a respected diplomat, and the fears he was trying to address are now much more real.

Worse yet, even if he’s successful he’ll have a much more alert NATO at his doorstep anyway and an insurgency next door draining precious resources. Plus with the gloves off, it’s going to be subterfuge season out there. Whatever grievances he was wishing to address, he compounded things and created a much worse national security issue for himself. Given the failed calculus and his doubling down, he probably doesn’t care.
 

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Good point, there’s definitely a chance that even guaranteed neutrality would’ve still fell short. After all, this all became an issue the moment the Russian leaning Yakunovich was taken out in 2014 which to your point was a moment of things not going right for a dictator.

The more I think about it, I think the failed transition from Soviet Russia to the current iteration is a bigger factor than even the NATO expansion. Perhaps a Russia that practiced good governance and democratic norms would’ve not only made NATO expansion a non-factor, but it might’ve also brought Russia into the alliance itself.

Another side thought, any countries that have nukes or a program to develop them will be much more reluctant to give it up. Ukraine gave theirs up on the promise that Russia and the West would both safeguard them and now Russia attacking them.

NATO doesn’t want Russia. They’ve given Putin over a decade after fake leaving power just to come back and stop pretending he cared about democratic elections. The US has slapped sanctions on brown countries for less or straight up tried to institute regime change with weapons if necessary.

The most aggressive NATO posture was admitting countries who asked to join. They didn’t strong arm Finland to get on his border. The reason Putin has a war chest is because of Europe.

He literally could have sat at home collecting energy checks for another decade.
 

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I love how some of the imbeciles in this thread are eating up the west narration of Ukrainian citizens overtaking the Russian army or are providing some level of competent resistance against Russian forces.

The west and their colonial arrogance never ceases to amaze considering the hell that they have done on this Earth and are now trying to use a moral rhetoric against Putin.

The irony and the sheep who are reposting these hot takes on social media are the worst type of humans.

Colonial amnesia is what you're suffering from.
 

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1/I am going to try to explain the irrational Russian Armed Forces behavior towards strategy, common thought, or even the chances repatriated SSO that are now POW try to murder a bunch of men with stars.

2/Here's where I will start from. The Russian armed forces have never attempted anything like this. This isn't about what kind of war they're fighting it's about what they're capable of mustering.

3/Secondly it seems the decision making structrues have low opinion in general of Ukraine and their fighting abilities and sort of an ideal that there's a willing subservience in Ukranians if they get to be part of Russia. Pure racism informing their decision making process.

4/Thirdly battalion tactical groups are terrible units to support operations. They have overload the commander lack support and might not properly integrate with air or do adeqaute scouting as signals and recon are missing along with liasons with them.

5/Fourthly without standing down even if parts of the UA Nat Guard, Police, Border Guard, Territorials and Army are defeated, UA regional commands can be autonomous for days and are vast structures, short of ordering their demobilization their removal is way too costly for RuMoD.

6/And there's a lot of hidden corruption and misreporting that gets baked in into calculations but the higher you go up the chain as in a corporation, the more dimissive management is that it will be an issue. AKA Putin doesn't even remotely grasp how bad it is.

7/Based on those 5 let me try to explain the situation now. Russian units aren't stopping fire or limiting use of their kalibrs and stand off strikes. This is all they could muster south. Kalibrs are limited by launch tubes, a bit over a hundred is what they had ready.

8/We saw constant trains and movement over time moving Ru equipment and lots of aircraft being moved over to mustering points and at the end people. By then the supply was at its limit just keeping them warm and fed. They found out the hard way this was their logistical limit.

9/What people sa wasn't that troops packed spare tanks for long drives. They were carying their fuel reserves on them. The few organic refueling trucks were not enough to make up an actual reserve or depot. They had one full compliment, some spares in one truck , thats it.

10/This didn't seem that crazy in the Kremlin because the prevailing thought in the higher echelons and Putin's inner circle and the FSB was one highly dismissive of Ukraine highly hyped up by Russian army propaganda reporting. They missed that they were buying their own bullshyt

11/The release of the information paralyzed them in terms of decision making. But the inherent bias remained and UA delayed mobilising so it didn't dissuade them. For 7 days they ate away supplies rather than actively trying to build them further, they were waiting a go order.

12/The limited supply meant it had to be a mad dash. BTGs were split into smaller sub units traveling on multiple roads to avoid congestion. When they met something they'd wait to coalesce or get into a fight. If the UA was suprised it would work.

13/Were the Ru troops quality ones they'd do better with just surprise on their side. But they were mostly poorly trained as full units were never called up before. Usually a brigade would send only a company and could hand pick.

14/Now it's either confess the lies about readiness or be creative. Because the corruption had created such a rot, brigade commandes chose "creative" (criminal), conscripts were added to the build up. Ghosts soldiers on the roster were hidden. That meant BTGs were far greener.

15/When these hit a city or made contact they'd deploy in unideal formations of platoon to company size. Not their fault all that much, this is what they knew. Then if a UA unit knew in advance where they were and was careful, it would anihilate the BTG splinter formation.

16/Because the timetable had to be kept, supplies were already short with the delay Ru troops would go a step further. They'd keep one sub unit to block and redirect subsequent units, the rest would continue on parallel roads. Again timetable meant usually more major roads.

17/After a couple of road blocks, BTG'd be diluted, lost a bunch of units and fighting to standstill. You'd expect that there would be air or artiller support. But BTGs aren't suited for that, when they move in chunks in parallel the artillery spotters could be in another group.

18/As we said also there was a problem stocking supplies but still CAS should probably not be as limited? Yes but Russian SSO more used to directing it had other tasks and Russia doesn't have a platform like the US surveilance planes and drones that can operate in contested air.

19/And the air was contested because of the limited early strikes due to the small build up + limited recon of where UA AF & AD were prior to this. Satelites take pics at known times, moving equipment often can dissuede strikes as it's uncertain anything will be in place.

20/What then was struck were major stationary objects, depots in main areas, radars, major command and control but again limited by number of reloads. So then Ru MoD started rolling the columns with heavy support of helicopters and planes ahead.

21/This works on day 1 when you know where your guys start & can track where they are easily and you know beyond that point it's all enemy. Once you land and refuel, it's less easy especially because as we mentioned, a BTG splitinter lacks a signals unit, just has a few officers.

22/Then comes the air asault. Becuase you have to be quick you also have to do risky stuff. The problem of course is that because your helicopters are parked in fields, ready for one load with some trucks and one set of ammo, you can do it once a day with each group.

23/That's why you wait till the end of the assualt attempt to see if it works. If you have to refuel and prep for a second go, your trucks have to go to a depot and reload and then come back. And only then try again.

24/You still have to try to take the airport fast and get guys in because if the operation takes too long and you haven't kept them(the UA) on the back foot your green troops are still moving piecemeal on roads, don't have much with them, any small village could be their end.

25/So the air assault fails, part of the pincer moves fail, you can't budge most of the UA troops what do you do? You go for broke, hope you win the race between entrechment in Kyiv and you just throwing all you have and hope if you decapitate UA, regional commands lose faith.

26/Otherwise becuase what remains of your force is split in small groups moving on main roads UA can mobilize move via back roads and just recapture most of the towns as you have few troops for actual 24/7 duties and to even spot them moving back into the town.

27/Can it work? I don't know. Is it a good plan. Hell no. Could they execute anything else, without the entire structure confessing the army has corruption,which yes the boss expected, but it's such a rot it might cost him his throne, yeah not when he's in this mood.

28/ So the spineless bunch decided to throw away 18-19 year old conscripts and veterans and pray they get lucky. Also that Putin hasn't noticed how nuts this is shows that he's either delusional or is completely inept when it comes to military affairs.

PS/ A lot of the commentary prior missed the readiness of the Russian forces and the poor state of affairs. Overreliance on official statements and major military pages missed tons of low level testimonials and regional investigative pieces on how big the rot was.

PPS/ Aggregation of Zvezda and VK mil informing pages and MAKS show sales pitches should be tempered by what we can find on the ground and regional and smaller outlets, forums and blogs were servicemembers were pissed were abundant to the point they shouldn't have been dismissed.

PPPS/ We saw lots of evidence for that and even then a part of the community of analysts dismissed it assuming once it's about having a war footing RU structures will take it serious. But that's not how bad habits work.

PPPPS/ And in the minds of the Kremlin they have been continuously on a war footing. So if during that time they left arms companies bankrupt sometimes even more than once, the habit was not going to break most likely.
To quote Nemtsov here:
<<Он ёбнутый... чтоб вы поняли?>>

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