Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

[Professor Emeritus]

What am I lying about?

You claimed, "A single post largely blaming NATO, the UN, and US doesn't meet that threshold" when the statement barely even mentioned USA/NATO, didn't bring them up until a single sentence in the final paragraph, and didn't blame the UN at all. Your "largely" claim was bullshyt.

You're right that the UN wasn't directly blamed but is it implied by "unilateral coercive measures"?!

UN hasn't employed any "unilateral coercive measures". They're referring to sanctions by EU and NATO nations and allies. Don't be a dumbass.

Why are they blaming the US and NATO? Where is the US and NATO's imperialist expansion? How did the US and NATO set the stage for this conflict? Neoliberal order? Wtf?

If you're really engaged so little with this conflict that you haven't seen the numerous essays/talks by geopolitical experts going back 6-10 years or longer that have criticized US/NATO moves in Ukraine and stating they would inevitably lead to war there, I'm not going to hold you hand through it. The arguments on that point are extensive and aren't at all exclusive to leftists/socialists.

Russia is committing the worst crimes against humanity in Ukraine and domestically right now in history and this is the DSA statement?

Wait what? What kind of ridiculous dumb bullshyt is this?

They should be talking about Bucha, they should be talking about gang rapes, they should be talking forced disappearances, they should be talking about filtration camps(concentration camps), they should be talking about the Ukrainian children taken across the border and put up for adoption, they should be talking about the forced relocation of Ukrainian citizens to Russia, and they should be talking about the indiscriminate bombing of civilians.

Why? Do you even know what the Democratic Socialists of America are?

I didn't just come up with this to bytch about either it's pretty obscure and I only mentioned it because I wondered if that's why the squad voted no.

The Squad has posted numerous statements of their own on Ukraine and you could have referenced that but you keep moving the goalposts.

 

[88m3]

You claimed, "A single post largely blaming NATO, the UN, and US doesn't meet that threshold" when the statement barely even mentioned USA/NATO, didn't bring them up until a single sentence in the final paragraph, and didn't blame the UN at all. Your "largely" claim was bullshyt.

DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict.

UN hasn't employed any "unilateral coercive measures". They're referring to sanctions by EU and NATO nations and allies. Don't be a dumbass.

I know they haven't. That doesn't sound very unilateral.

If you're really engaged so little with this conflict that you haven't seen the numerous essays/talks by geopolitical experts going back 6-10 years or longer that have criticized US/NATO moves in Ukraine and stating they would inevitably lead to war there, I'm not going to hold you hand through it. The arguments on that point are extensive and aren't at all exclusive to leftists/socialists.

I'm aware of them, and they're bullshyt

Wait what? What kind of ridiculous dumb bullshyt is this?

Russia is committing crimes against humanity, I know that you're aware of that

Why? Do you even know what the Democratic Socialists of America are?

Aren't they supposed to be the future of the left in the US? You're a really smart guy so I'm sure I don't have to tell you this but the only thing appeasing fascists does is lead to more fascism. We have the same issue in the US domestically.

The Squad has posted numerous statements of their own on Ukraine and you could have referenced that but you keep moving the goalposts.

Thank you

 

[Hood Critic]

im all for siding with ukraine, but how much more are we obligated to spend on this shyt? where the fukk is the EU?

You want this $33 Billion proxy special operation or you want a $3 Trillion direct US vs Russia conflict...take your pick.

 

[the cac mamba]

You want this $33 Billion proxy special operation or you want a $3 Trillion direct US vs Russia conflict...take your pick.

why does russia reclaiming ukraine lead to a conflict with the US, unless we choose to get into it? what are you talking about?

i empathize with the ukranians, but the fact is that they COULD just surrender, and its all over. its not america's problem. and theres zero chance of this becoming a US vs russia war what are you talking about? putin cant even take the ukranians

 

[Hood Critic]

why does russia reclaiming ukraine lead to a conflict with the US, unless we choose to get into it? what are you talking about?

i empathize with the ukranians, but the fact is that they COULD just surrender, and its all over. its not america's problem. and theres zero chance of this becoming a US vs russia war what are you talking about? putin cant even take the ukranians

The weakening of Russia and it's regional influence has and continues to be of interest to the US. That doesn't happen if you allow them to take the next biggest country in Europe doubling their territory and influence. Existing NATO allies border Ukraine to the west, so if Ukraine were to roll over and be dominated by Russia, those NATO countries are the next special operations targets. Which means direct conflict with the US.

Do us a favor and stop being so simple.

 

[the cac mamba]

The weakening of Russia and it's regional influence has and continues to be of interest to the US. That doesn't happen if you allow them to take the next biggest country in Europe doubling their territory and influence. Existing NATO allies border Ukraine to the west, so if Ukraine were to roll over and be dominated by Russia, those NATO countries are the next special operations targets. Which means direct conflict with the US.

Do us a favor and stop being so simple.

do us a favor and go sign up you and a family member to go fight it

putins not touching a NATO country. hes a washed up 70 year old dictator, trying to end his 22 year run on a win. he doesnt have the balls to go after nato

 

[Hood Critic]

do us a favor and go sign up you and a family member to go fight it

Been there and done that.

I don't personally give a sh*t about Ukraine or Russia. I only care about the bigger picture, watching a major foe remove themselves from the paint.

putins not touching a NATO country. hes a washed up 70 year old dictator, trying to end his 22 year run on a win. he doesnt have the balls to go after nato

Because everything up until this point has given you that impression huh? Stick to both siding and bad faith posting, it's the only thing you're good at.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Is the US spending money at this rate to try and prevent a food shortage down the road? I keep hearing about the grains coming from Ukraine and am wondering if the US is trying to protect that future supply from falling into Russian control.

Have those supply sources already been damaged by bombings or are they still under Ukrainian control?

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

Is the US spending money at this rate to try and prevent a food shortage down the road? I keep hearing about the grains coming from Ukraine and am wondering if the US is trying to protect that future supply from falling into Russian control.

Have those supply sources already been damaged by bombings or are they still under Ukrainian control?

Still Ukrainian control mostly. Although there was a report just today that Russia just stole a shipment of grain from melltopal

 

[Hood Critic]

Is the US spending money at this rate to try and prevent a food shortage down the road? I keep hearing about the grains coming from Ukraine and am wondering if the US is trying to protect that future supply from falling into Russian control.

Have those supply sources already been damaged by bombings or are they still under Ukrainian control?

We're Not Facing a Global Food Crisis

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Still Ukrainian control mostly. Although there was a report just today that Russia just stole a shipment of grain from melltopal

That's gotta be the play then. The admin must be really worried about food. I think otherwise they would be content on letting the war play out a bit rather than funneling money/munitions there every other week

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

We're Not Facing a Global Food Crisis

Thanks. But I remember reading quotes from the admin that they were really concerned and it was an issue. Either it's not an issue and will be used as justification for further spending as if it was or it is an issue and its dire

 

[Hood Critic]

Thanks. But I remember reading quotes from the admin that they were really concerned and it was an issue. Either it's not an issue and will be used as justification for further spending as if it was or it is an issue and its dire

 

[jj23]

@the cac mamba has joined the fray cause now his money red line has been crossed....

@88m3 and @Rhakim arguing about what leftists should stand for...

It's like in HL, every thread longer that 50 pages eventually incorporates these elements. (Notice I said elements and not avatars, don't come for me)

Fascinating.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@the cac mamba has joined the fray cause now his money red line has been crossed....

@88m3 and @Rhakim arguing about what leftists should stand for...

It's like in HL, every thread longer that 50 pages eventually incorporates these elements. (Notice I said elements and not avatars, don't come for me)

Fascinating.

I don't even think that's what we're arguing - it was just disingenuous trashing of personalities. If "the Squad" or the DSA had said exactly what he wanted them to say regarding Ukraine he wouldn't have praised it, he would have just chosen a different reason to trash them in another context.