Russian Civil War Coup started: Russian Army attacks its own Mercenaries

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The NY Times agrees with me for what it's worth.


Lukashenko was without a doubt the only leader in this entire series of events.







Lukashenko routed the wannabe rebels within Belarus and made himself look like a credible leader in one fell swoop.
He's an ally of Putin so Putin wins also.
 

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Could be, No one got hurt no damage happened. The Generals who met with Yev got a pass too no one got fired.

And Wagner went to Belarus. Belarus is directly above Kiev. A quick dash to Kiev from Belarus and the war is over.

If Yev doesn't have a heart attack or fall out of a window soon I'm thinking this is fake news.
Eh, not necessarily true. They shot down a Russian helicopter and transport with at least 10 people on it. Also, the Russia army killed a civilian by mistake when trying to target Wagner.

Also, if you want to look for it, a new video dropped today of Russian soldiers killing one of their own who they said was sympathetic to Wagner attempt of an overthrow.

The answer to the question if this was like some stunt like in Turkey to consolidate power or just a short lived coup attempt is if there is suddenly purges of wagnerites. Not just in executions like above but also if existing troops not rolled into the normal military are increasingly sent on suicide missions and left out to dry.
 
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He's an ally of Putin so Putin wins also.




Well I don't disagree with that. Putin ain't dead and he still has "control" (for now) so yes, he won the clash so far.

But there is news coming out that says that a lot of folks in Russia are looking beyond Putin, to a Russia without him.

Lukashenko is probably doing the same. He still wants to be an ally of Russia. But the writing is on the wall for Putin.

He's Putin's ally... for now.
 

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Just throwing it out there as a possibility :yeshrug:

If this was an agreed upon setup between Proghozhin and Putin, could it be given there are now Russian nuclear weapons in Belarus, maybe this was all theater to give the impression of Wagner going rogue, then he is exiled and Wagner are the ones who perform first use of nukes in Ukraine therefore allowing Putin to say this was all the fault of a dog off the leash acting on his own?

Just a thought. What is weird to me is that yeah this shyt was a huge news story but western government statements on the matter have been pretty light and scarce. They aren't seeing this shyt as a celebratory situation. Like they know this is a situation that they can celebrate about yet.

There was a lot of arm twisting from Putin on Lukashanko to agree to host nuclear weapons. There is even footage of him leaving meetings from the Kremlin with bruises, limps, and a cast before. Several times. Then there was a time he was sick and people though he was dead. Now all of sudden this dude is given the role of statesman/mediator for Russia internal affairs? :comeon: Now the head Wagner heads to Belarus for "exile" instead of being thrown out a window. Their initial role was always to act as a non-state entity so the Russian government can engage in atrocities and unorthodox acts. It would make sense to use them for the use of nuclear weapons too. Just spitballing.

 

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Apparently a Video going around of Chechen soldiers executing a Wagner soldier. Not gonna watch or post it.

Also more info coming out
Russian intelligence services threatened to harm the families of Wagner leaders before Prigozhin called off his advance on Moscow, according to UK security sources - The Telegraph

 

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Russian intelligence services threatened to harm the families of Wagner leaders before Yevgeny Prigozhin called off his advance on Moscow, according to UK security sources.

It has also been assessed that the mercenary force had only 8,000 fighters rather than the 25,000 claimed and faced likely defeat in any attempt to take the Russian capital.

Vladimir Putin will now try to assimilate Wagner Group soldiers into the Russian military and take out its former leaders, according to insights shared with The Telegraph.

The analysis offers clues into the mystery of why Prigozhin, the Wagner Group leader, called off his mutinous march on Moscow on Saturday just hours before reaching the capital.

There remains speculation about what formal deal was struck, if any. The Kremlin said on Saturday that Prigozhin would head to Belarus in exchange for a pardon from charges of treason.

There has been no comment from Prigozhin over the suggestion. It also remains unclear if Sergei Shoigu, the Russian defence minister, is set to be demoted or fired, as Prigozhin demanded.
Another thought is that Putin will kill him once he feels secure that he has neutered Wagner troops. Prigozhin has shown he has some popular support and loyal troops. Killing him now will cause too much backlash. He is probably being held in Belarus until he can be dealt with at a later time.
 

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So you beleive that because Russia fukked up the attack that means there's losing just because they're not winning?

As long as Russia controls the Don and Crimea they ain't losing. Both areas are full of people that consider themselves Russian if Ukraine takes them then they have to deal with insurgencies financed by Russia for the foreseeable future.

If Russia loses Crimea and the port they're whole Naval strategy blows up in their faces.

I'd assume that if Russia would ever use nukes it would be when Ukraine takes Crimea.
Russia doesn’t control “the don”. They control 55%. Neither Crimea nor the Donbas is worth the destruction of the Russian economy and the enmity of most of Europe and US for the next several decades. NATO is stronger and more United than it’s ever been and Ukraine is going to be a dumping ground for weapons for the next decade. Russia ain’t winning anything.
 

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thread is proof its true :heh:
That tweet is retarded breh no offense. I think anyone who were cheering for Wagner wasn't doing it out of love Wagner but in hopes of seeing Russia take damage. This meme is more apt:
Ken-Watanabe-let-them-fight.gif
 

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That tweet is retarded breh no offense. I think anyone who were cheering for Wagner wasn't doing it out of love Wagner but in hopes of seeing Russia take damage. This meme is more apt:
Ken-Watanabe-let-them-fight.gif
Tweets about the ability for people to fall for false news and propaganda:beli: Folks in here with 20+ tweets acting like experts and was just experts about submarines last week :beli:
 

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Tweets about the ability for people to fall for false news and propaganda:beli: Folks in here with 20+ tweets acting like experts and was just experts about submarines last week :beli:
But the supposed false news and propaganda, people are supposedly "falling for" isn't even correct in the way its portrayed in that tweet. I haven't seen people say, "Wagner is good". The guy who made the tweet is kind of dumb if that is his takeaway regarding how people felt about the situation.
 
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